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Viewed through Proving: Platina – tamed…
Posted on July 29, 2013 by Vera Resnick IHM DHom Med (Lic)
Ever experienced this? You prescribe Platina for a homoeopathy student, or for someone who has read up about remedies.
She looks up and raises an eyebrow (or tries to), with an attempt at an arch smile.
“Really?” she asks, incredulously but with a measure of pure delight, “Platina? I’m Platina?” (in itself a wrong description, no person “is” a remedy)
It’s tantamount to telling a female patient she still has “it”. And try telling a homoeopathy-savvy patient that Platina is definitely not for her – she will often be deeply insulted…
Definitely time to read the proving, Hahnemann’s notes, and some others who didn’t allow the illusion of Platinum-coated sexuality go to their… well… minds…
The proving symptoms are really fairly tame. There are some extreme-seeming mentals, such as the classic:
35. llusion of the imagination ; on entering the room after walking for an hour, everything around her seemed very small and all persons physically and bodily inferior to her, but she herself great and lofty in body ; the room appears to her gloomy and disagreeable ; attended with anxiety, gloomy and cross humor, a whirling vertigo and discomfort in her surroundings which before were pleasant to her ; in the open air, in the sunshine, everything vanishes at once.[Gr.].
Quite frankly – I was disappointed…with 15 mentions of flatulence (which can ameliorate), no seriously lascivious dreams, more of a strong emphasis on localized discomfort than anything else, the proving just didn’t live up to my lurid expectations (just read any modern materia medica and you too will have lurid expectations…)
What about this one then:
847. Extraordinary sexual impulse (aft. 6 and 14 d.).
Oops – that’s Lycopodium. No one gives an arch smile when prescribed Lycopodium.
Hahnemann noted in the introduction:
“When Platina is properly homoeopathically indicated in a case of disease, it relieves simultaneously the following ailments, if present : Lack of appetite ; eructation after eating ; constipation while traveling ; emission of prostatic juice ; induration of the uterus ; weariness of the lower limbs ; cold feet ; stuffed coryza.”
Still not very exciting. But what does “properly homoeopathically indicated” mean here? Does it mean if there are no extreme mentals or the kind of sexuality that comes more from those teaching Platina rather than the proving itself – Platina cannot be prescribed?
I’d like to quote Carroll Dunham (1828-1877) here. His words reverberate through the centuries with the steady tone of common sense:
“Whether Platina is suitable only for irritable, excitable females, with predominant activity of the sexual functions, as the majority of writers assume, and among them Stapf and Gross, the provers of it, who, by the way, made their provings on a very excitable young woman, I shall leave undetermined.
For myself, I have had frequent occasion to administer Platina, and have obtained the very best curative results in… phlegmatic women of lax fiber…. On critical review… we find that all or by far the greater part of its symptoms bear the character of depression, but not that of erethism...”
And by the way, in case you were wondering:
er·e·thism
/ˈerəˌTHizəm/
Noun:
1. Excessive sensitivity or rapid reaction to stimulation of a part of the body, esp. the sexual organs.
2. A state of abnormal mental excitement or irritation.
Remedy provings - Platina
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: Remedy provings - Platina
Dear Vera,
I must have missed the original, is there more than you quote here?
Platina is one of only a few dozen remedies for which I know the innate constitutional type (ICT - my term for a remedy which matches an individual for life, as if it lines up with their DNA, so as to include physical features as well as personality and health aspects), very well. So I am always keen to add to that study of Platina type where possible.
I have some comments based on individuals with a platina ICT.
Provings are not as perfect as we would like. The interpretation of the prover has to be within THEIR type - their ICT type. In the case of Platina, there is a perfect example to illustrate what this can mean:
The physical type of Platina matters - they are the giants of this world. I had a cat who was a Platina. He was a Norwegian Forest Cat and they are quite large in general as cats go. A male NFC may be 13 lbs and a female 10. Platina types make even Puls look small, and that's no mean feat. Puls are heavily built.
But Plat is over the top big. My Platina NFC male did not have a mini-ounce of spare flesh, he was all muscle, and he was 18 pounds.
The human female Platina I am thinking of is 6 foot 3, with broad shoulders and hips - though like the Platina cat, relatively small feet.
Both were born tiny. The cat was the runt of the litter - sold to me as such, as not good enough for the breed.
But the self confidence was there.
The kitten arrived at 3.5 months old in a carrier, shipped a few thousand miles by air. He walked into the house, checked out the food bowls, pushed a ten pound British Shorthair aside, ate up, then went to the living room to select where to sit, chair occupied, he hopped up, headbutted a big british cat aside, who left in total surprise as his strength and audacity, and he settled down to rest and digest - BURP!
(His burp or flatulence after a big meal, was to become familiar.)
Now to my point: The proving says that when coming indoors everything and everyone looks small.
The REAL reason is not that the Platina feels superior as is assumed. It is because everything and everyone IS physically small in comparison.
A person over 6 foot feels claustrophobic in a normal size room, at a normal height counter, feels too big for a normal size chair, etc. They are out of proportion in size to society's "normal" size proportions - of everything from other people, to the size of a bathtub.
A prover who is NOT the tallest and biggest of their gender, is not going to be able to interpret that aspect well.
Think about it - Howe many WOMEN have you met who are over 6 foot three?
How many cats have you met who are over 18 pounds with a head at chair height to pat?
As to the sexual nature in the proving. Let me describe Odin - the cat in this example.
When he met his intended mate, a female of about 9 or 10 pounds, he chatted her up verbally with urrts and prrts. She was in season already and going nuts wanting action. He acted nonchalant, and let her get more heated up on her own. Meantime he tapped the fridge to request food, and settled down to a big meal. AFTER that, he turned around and "hopped on top" of the frustrated girl. Their mating resulted in her flopping in rolling circles the full length of the corridor. For HIS part, he came to tell me what it was like:
He sat facing me, his eyes shining, blinking, and moving his head side to side, tongue going in and out. I kid you not. He was telling me what fun that was. After which he casually went to lie down and relax.
He loved an an audience when he had a female to mate. Friends I'd described his explanation to, came to watch this performance, and he was fine with that.
He often found ways to describe to me how he felt about something. Not just about sex, but about other things that mattered. He only once gave up his optimistic approach to life, and that was when his tail was paralysed (he was attacked and kicked with steel toe boots, and shot in the testicles) and during his healing by homeopathy, his attempt to spray his territory resulted in spraying himself. I washed him well but it was not enough. He NEEDED to be able to spray territory. A macho thing to him. An essential to his manhood.
SLowly he progressed in his getting well. At one point he managed to eat kibble again. (He was ashamed that he had to be spoon fed, and worked HARD to be ale to eat on his own despite his damaged tongue.) He woke me late night once to explain he had succeeded. I followed him to the kitchen as he wished, where there were about 8 bowls of different shaped cat kibble fod. He went to one, and kept trying till about the 8th one it got into his mouth and he turned round in pure triumph for me to see, eyes shining, URRT! he said. ["I did it! I can eat on my own!"]
Still later as his paralysed tail gradually improved (mostly thanks to Hypericum) and lifted higher and higher off the floor, there came a day when he could get it high enough to spray something besides himself. It must have taken about three months. But this was his determined goal - to be able to properly mark his territory.
Again n the middle of the night, he came to wake me and share his news with me. Excitedly, he was chattering,
and when he had my attention, he drew himself up, lifted his tail just enough to clear the spray, faced to aim at my bedpost, and let fly. URRT! he said proudly. (He never sprayed anything in the house before or since - this was to proudly share his achievement).
Platinas are hardworking optimists, and will work tirelessly, determinedly and passionately to achieve a heartfelt goal. Then they want to share their victory and enjoyment.
They also have a sense of humor.
Odin would sit on the top of a door, waiting for a human to walk by. Then he'd extend a long leg downwards and gently just brush the top of the person's hair with a paw. Then sit up and look innocent in case anyone saw him up there - but people usually do not look up. With my British shorthair kitten, he'd get the kitten to chase him round and round the couch, then he'd quickly hop on top, and watch the kitten keep running round and round trying to catch up with him. His fun was not malicious (like Ars can be, not caring if the other party gets hurt).
If they are knocked down and defeated they can totally slump into depresssion. When this cat found he could not longer perform a basic male rite, to spray territory, he went into a huddle in a corner, and became stiff as aboard, refusing to move. He just wanted to be left to die.
Yet when he was injured so badly I discussed euthanasia with the vet - the vet wisely said "Let HIM decide if he wants to live" and he made no bones about it - he DID want to live. And he fought back valiantly.
So Platinas can overcome great hardship, but there are specific things they absolutely require to be the way they need to be - non-negotiables.
The human one is also that way - some things are a matter of principle - her way or the highway, no compromise. But otherwise, very flexible, sense of humor, passionately hard working for THEIR goals.
As to chemical sensitivity - it is there. The slightest chemical cleaner or medication or other chemical aspect - or inappropriate food - and there is a severe reaction.
Odin preferred the sunshine to indoors - to the extent that his black fur was sunburned red.
Same with the human Plat. Being indoors especially in a average size house with normal ceiling height was not enjoyed. Better to be in huge room with high ceilings and skylights and giant windows, preferably open ones- or better still, outside - IF it is sunny..
Odin was determined to go outside, (my cats are all indoor cats) and threatened me if I refused to take him out (on an extender leash for a walk). For example, he'd stand on my brand new down sleeping bag used as a bed cover, and threaten to pee on it if I did not take him out. And when I said no, he DID pee on it, deliberately and while looking at me to say SEE I TOLD you I want to go out.
Plats will do what they have to do, to get what they want.
Socially they are wonderful. Never aggressive, always friendly. Maybe they are too big to need to ever be aggressive. But I think there is more than that - they do not WANT to be aggressive, and they will find a clever way to avoid aggression. They are the opposite - gentle, and kind; the gentle giants - albeit passionate ones - of the world.
THAT is my experience/view of Platina.
I do think that some of the proving results have been misinterpreted due to not understanding the PHYSICAL size of Platina - and that being missing in the provers.
It is a problem in provings that we use whoever volunteers as a prover (thus causing an excess of one type of ICT over others not so inclined) - and not a well rounded set of provers such as one of each ICT type!
The Plat type is a gentle soul but with passionate ideas of what matters to them, that they will work hard for.
Note it says "in body".
This is all about Plat type being extremely physically large.
The proving here is a literal thing to do with size - just not realized as we still do not have the PHYSICAL traits of a remedy in the rubrics list - they are only there by accident here and there - such as this confirmation of Platina's truly huge physical size.
t's a bit like an elephant walking into a doll house - an exaggeration but it illustrates the point in the proving.
This too is part of the physical makeup of platina. They are SO sensitive to food indiscretions that "normal" food for others will keep causing gaseous discomfort, relieved by burp/flatulence. If they eat just the right diet, it is okay.
A passionate appreciation of physical pleasure seems to be there - based on Odin - rather than an excessive sexual proclivity as the proving aspect seems to me to be inappropriately interpreted.
Ah - All I can say about this one for Odin - is that he used to masturbate sometimes. I never saw another cat doing that.
Means the same as with any remedy - means that the symptoms that are repertorized, LEAD to Platina.
You cannot start with a remedy and get to an individual. You HAVE to start with the symptoms and see what remedy it leads you to.
YOu NEVER look for what is NOT there, when matching a remedy,
ALWAYS - look at what IS there n the patient/inidividual. THAT tells you the rubrics to use, nothing else.
THOSE rubrics lead to the remedy.
What else the remedy can do is irrelevant for THIS case.
It may be relevant in another case - but we never look to see if something is missing.
NO case is supposed to have ALL the ten thousand (with many conflicting opposites) rubrics of a remedy.
That is not homepathy.
No remedy is gender-specific. Odin s a Plat male. He was indeed an excitable character, enthusiasm (and optimism and chosen enjoyment) in every pore when he was doing what he loved.
But he was very serious about what mattered and what did not. There was no goofiness in the excitabilty - it was more a love of life to be enjoyed.
No. Much appreciation of them - not the same thing.
Lax fiber occurs in Plat who eats wrong diet and gets poisoned by life's drugs and toxins. the toxins absorb into their tissues causing bloat.
Depression is abnormal fort Plat. But it is VERy severe when it occurs.
Sensitivity is more to do with extreme sensitivity to chemicals/poisons/toxins/food components.
Sexuality is MUCH enjoyed/appreciated (as in Odin's unusual and excited description of his sexual encounter) but not an activity excessively sought.
I think there is a subtle interpretation difference needed from the one the provers assumed.
The actual cases of Platina ICT types, like the typical example here, show that difference.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
I must have missed the original, is there more than you quote here?
Platina is one of only a few dozen remedies for which I know the innate constitutional type (ICT - my term for a remedy which matches an individual for life, as if it lines up with their DNA, so as to include physical features as well as personality and health aspects), very well. So I am always keen to add to that study of Platina type where possible.
I have some comments based on individuals with a platina ICT.
Provings are not as perfect as we would like. The interpretation of the prover has to be within THEIR type - their ICT type. In the case of Platina, there is a perfect example to illustrate what this can mean:
The physical type of Platina matters - they are the giants of this world. I had a cat who was a Platina. He was a Norwegian Forest Cat and they are quite large in general as cats go. A male NFC may be 13 lbs and a female 10. Platina types make even Puls look small, and that's no mean feat. Puls are heavily built.
But Plat is over the top big. My Platina NFC male did not have a mini-ounce of spare flesh, he was all muscle, and he was 18 pounds.
The human female Platina I am thinking of is 6 foot 3, with broad shoulders and hips - though like the Platina cat, relatively small feet.
Both were born tiny. The cat was the runt of the litter - sold to me as such, as not good enough for the breed.
But the self confidence was there.
The kitten arrived at 3.5 months old in a carrier, shipped a few thousand miles by air. He walked into the house, checked out the food bowls, pushed a ten pound British Shorthair aside, ate up, then went to the living room to select where to sit, chair occupied, he hopped up, headbutted a big british cat aside, who left in total surprise as his strength and audacity, and he settled down to rest and digest - BURP!
(His burp or flatulence after a big meal, was to become familiar.)
Now to my point: The proving says that when coming indoors everything and everyone looks small.
The REAL reason is not that the Platina feels superior as is assumed. It is because everything and everyone IS physically small in comparison.
A person over 6 foot feels claustrophobic in a normal size room, at a normal height counter, feels too big for a normal size chair, etc. They are out of proportion in size to society's "normal" size proportions - of everything from other people, to the size of a bathtub.
A prover who is NOT the tallest and biggest of their gender, is not going to be able to interpret that aspect well.
Think about it - Howe many WOMEN have you met who are over 6 foot three?
How many cats have you met who are over 18 pounds with a head at chair height to pat?
As to the sexual nature in the proving. Let me describe Odin - the cat in this example.
When he met his intended mate, a female of about 9 or 10 pounds, he chatted her up verbally with urrts and prrts. She was in season already and going nuts wanting action. He acted nonchalant, and let her get more heated up on her own. Meantime he tapped the fridge to request food, and settled down to a big meal. AFTER that, he turned around and "hopped on top" of the frustrated girl. Their mating resulted in her flopping in rolling circles the full length of the corridor. For HIS part, he came to tell me what it was like:
He sat facing me, his eyes shining, blinking, and moving his head side to side, tongue going in and out. I kid you not. He was telling me what fun that was. After which he casually went to lie down and relax.
He loved an an audience when he had a female to mate. Friends I'd described his explanation to, came to watch this performance, and he was fine with that.
He often found ways to describe to me how he felt about something. Not just about sex, but about other things that mattered. He only once gave up his optimistic approach to life, and that was when his tail was paralysed (he was attacked and kicked with steel toe boots, and shot in the testicles) and during his healing by homeopathy, his attempt to spray his territory resulted in spraying himself. I washed him well but it was not enough. He NEEDED to be able to spray territory. A macho thing to him. An essential to his manhood.
SLowly he progressed in his getting well. At one point he managed to eat kibble again. (He was ashamed that he had to be spoon fed, and worked HARD to be ale to eat on his own despite his damaged tongue.) He woke me late night once to explain he had succeeded. I followed him to the kitchen as he wished, where there were about 8 bowls of different shaped cat kibble fod. He went to one, and kept trying till about the 8th one it got into his mouth and he turned round in pure triumph for me to see, eyes shining, URRT! he said. ["I did it! I can eat on my own!"]
Still later as his paralysed tail gradually improved (mostly thanks to Hypericum) and lifted higher and higher off the floor, there came a day when he could get it high enough to spray something besides himself. It must have taken about three months. But this was his determined goal - to be able to properly mark his territory.
Again n the middle of the night, he came to wake me and share his news with me. Excitedly, he was chattering,
and when he had my attention, he drew himself up, lifted his tail just enough to clear the spray, faced to aim at my bedpost, and let fly. URRT! he said proudly. (He never sprayed anything in the house before or since - this was to proudly share his achievement).
Platinas are hardworking optimists, and will work tirelessly, determinedly and passionately to achieve a heartfelt goal. Then they want to share their victory and enjoyment.
They also have a sense of humor.
Odin would sit on the top of a door, waiting for a human to walk by. Then he'd extend a long leg downwards and gently just brush the top of the person's hair with a paw. Then sit up and look innocent in case anyone saw him up there - but people usually do not look up. With my British shorthair kitten, he'd get the kitten to chase him round and round the couch, then he'd quickly hop on top, and watch the kitten keep running round and round trying to catch up with him. His fun was not malicious (like Ars can be, not caring if the other party gets hurt).
If they are knocked down and defeated they can totally slump into depresssion. When this cat found he could not longer perform a basic male rite, to spray territory, he went into a huddle in a corner, and became stiff as aboard, refusing to move. He just wanted to be left to die.
Yet when he was injured so badly I discussed euthanasia with the vet - the vet wisely said "Let HIM decide if he wants to live" and he made no bones about it - he DID want to live. And he fought back valiantly.
So Platinas can overcome great hardship, but there are specific things they absolutely require to be the way they need to be - non-negotiables.
The human one is also that way - some things are a matter of principle - her way or the highway, no compromise. But otherwise, very flexible, sense of humor, passionately hard working for THEIR goals.
As to chemical sensitivity - it is there. The slightest chemical cleaner or medication or other chemical aspect - or inappropriate food - and there is a severe reaction.
Odin preferred the sunshine to indoors - to the extent that his black fur was sunburned red.
Same with the human Plat. Being indoors especially in a average size house with normal ceiling height was not enjoyed. Better to be in huge room with high ceilings and skylights and giant windows, preferably open ones- or better still, outside - IF it is sunny..
Odin was determined to go outside, (my cats are all indoor cats) and threatened me if I refused to take him out (on an extender leash for a walk). For example, he'd stand on my brand new down sleeping bag used as a bed cover, and threaten to pee on it if I did not take him out. And when I said no, he DID pee on it, deliberately and while looking at me to say SEE I TOLD you I want to go out.
Plats will do what they have to do, to get what they want.
Socially they are wonderful. Never aggressive, always friendly. Maybe they are too big to need to ever be aggressive. But I think there is more than that - they do not WANT to be aggressive, and they will find a clever way to avoid aggression. They are the opposite - gentle, and kind; the gentle giants - albeit passionate ones - of the world.
THAT is my experience/view of Platina.
I do think that some of the proving results have been misinterpreted due to not understanding the PHYSICAL size of Platina - and that being missing in the provers.
It is a problem in provings that we use whoever volunteers as a prover (thus causing an excess of one type of ICT over others not so inclined) - and not a well rounded set of provers such as one of each ICT type!
The Plat type is a gentle soul but with passionate ideas of what matters to them, that they will work hard for.
Note it says "in body".
This is all about Plat type being extremely physically large.
The proving here is a literal thing to do with size - just not realized as we still do not have the PHYSICAL traits of a remedy in the rubrics list - they are only there by accident here and there - such as this confirmation of Platina's truly huge physical size.
t's a bit like an elephant walking into a doll house - an exaggeration but it illustrates the point in the proving.
This too is part of the physical makeup of platina. They are SO sensitive to food indiscretions that "normal" food for others will keep causing gaseous discomfort, relieved by burp/flatulence. If they eat just the right diet, it is okay.
A passionate appreciation of physical pleasure seems to be there - based on Odin - rather than an excessive sexual proclivity as the proving aspect seems to me to be inappropriately interpreted.
Ah - All I can say about this one for Odin - is that he used to masturbate sometimes. I never saw another cat doing that.
Means the same as with any remedy - means that the symptoms that are repertorized, LEAD to Platina.
You cannot start with a remedy and get to an individual. You HAVE to start with the symptoms and see what remedy it leads you to.
YOu NEVER look for what is NOT there, when matching a remedy,
ALWAYS - look at what IS there n the patient/inidividual. THAT tells you the rubrics to use, nothing else.
THOSE rubrics lead to the remedy.
What else the remedy can do is irrelevant for THIS case.
It may be relevant in another case - but we never look to see if something is missing.
NO case is supposed to have ALL the ten thousand (with many conflicting opposites) rubrics of a remedy.
That is not homepathy.
No remedy is gender-specific. Odin s a Plat male. He was indeed an excitable character, enthusiasm (and optimism and chosen enjoyment) in every pore when he was doing what he loved.
But he was very serious about what mattered and what did not. There was no goofiness in the excitabilty - it was more a love of life to be enjoyed.
No. Much appreciation of them - not the same thing.
Lax fiber occurs in Plat who eats wrong diet and gets poisoned by life's drugs and toxins. the toxins absorb into their tissues causing bloat.
Depression is abnormal fort Plat. But it is VERy severe when it occurs.
Sensitivity is more to do with extreme sensitivity to chemicals/poisons/toxins/food components.
Sexuality is MUCH enjoyed/appreciated (as in Odin's unusual and excited description of his sexual encounter) but not an activity excessively sought.
I think there is a subtle interpretation difference needed from the one the provers assumed.
The actual cases of Platina ICT types, like the typical example here, show that difference.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Mary Salvador
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Re: Remedy provings - Platina
Thank you for this explanation, Irene. It is very insightful and useful.
You are not aware that years ago (probably 10 by now) you mentioned certain remedies and their relationship (I’m not sure relationship is the correct word) to length, body length, tail length....I had tried so many remedies for a cat that was going to be put down....until I read that life saving email.....Mo kitty was/is long, very long.....everything about her is long except her nose/snout...I gave the remedy and she is now cured.....
Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom.
Mary Salvador
Platina is one of only a few dozen remedies for which I know the innate constitutional type (ICT - my term for a remedy which matches an individual for life, as if it lines up with their DNA, so as to include physical features as well as personality and health aspects), very well. So I am always keen to add to that study of Platina type where possible.
You are not aware that years ago (probably 10 by now) you mentioned certain remedies and their relationship (I’m not sure relationship is the correct word) to length, body length, tail length....I had tried so many remedies for a cat that was going to be put down....until I read that life saving email.....Mo kitty was/is long, very long.....everything about her is long except her nose/snout...I gave the remedy and she is now cured.....
Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom.
Mary Salvador
Platina is one of only a few dozen remedies for which I know the innate constitutional type (ICT - my term for a remedy which matches an individual for life, as if it lines up with their DNA, so as to include physical features as well as personality and health aspects), very well. So I am always keen to add to that study of Platina type where possible.
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Re: Remedy provings - Platina
Hi Irene,
My objective is to present Hahnemann's provings without interpretation, to encourage readers to look at the primary sources, rather than just rely on clinical experience of others.
There are many many descriptions of Platina out there, with many interpretations, either built on the ones before or total flights of fancy. There is much clinical experience. But ultimately homoeopathy as taught by Hahnemann is based primarily on provings matching presenting symptoms, only subsequently is clinical experience to be viewed, despite the fact that most of modern "homeopathic" practice has become divorced from provings. And the proving of Platina demonstrates - as with many of the provings I've been looking at and working from - that the remedy is underprescribed and can do a lot more work in sickness.
My blog pieces are intentionally short - it is not my intention to write long complex articles, rather to push the reader to look at the proving and think independently, question the interpretations. These pieces are just a small part of the work I'm doing with the provings. I'll be putting up a further two articles on Platina on the blog (not on minutus) during the coming week.
Regards,
Vera
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Vera Resnick IHM DHom Med (Lic)
Classical Homoeopath
054-4640736
e-mail: vera.homeopath@gmail.com
website: www.pandwisrael.wordpress.com
facebook: http://on.fb.me/YV2ZHn
My objective is to present Hahnemann's provings without interpretation, to encourage readers to look at the primary sources, rather than just rely on clinical experience of others.
There are many many descriptions of Platina out there, with many interpretations, either built on the ones before or total flights of fancy. There is much clinical experience. But ultimately homoeopathy as taught by Hahnemann is based primarily on provings matching presenting symptoms, only subsequently is clinical experience to be viewed, despite the fact that most of modern "homeopathic" practice has become divorced from provings. And the proving of Platina demonstrates - as with many of the provings I've been looking at and working from - that the remedy is underprescribed and can do a lot more work in sickness.
My blog pieces are intentionally short - it is not my intention to write long complex articles, rather to push the reader to look at the proving and think independently, question the interpretations. These pieces are just a small part of the work I'm doing with the provings. I'll be putting up a further two articles on Platina on the blog (not on minutus) during the coming week.
Regards,
Vera
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Vera Resnick IHM DHom Med (Lic)
Classical Homoeopath
054-4640736
e-mail: vera.homeopath@gmail.com
website: www.pandwisrael.wordpress.com
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: Remedy provings - Platina
Will do. And thank you.
It is hard to find time (and energy) to work on them at present.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
It is hard to find time (and energy) to work on them at present.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: Remedy provings - Platina
Ah Mary, what lovely feedback, thanks!
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: Remedy provings - Platina
I like that idea, which is why I was so pleased to see your Platina proving information.
My own aim is to flesh out the provings, till there is a more complete remedy picture. That will never detract from what the provings show, but the provings are actually much more limited than we realized, as they tend to record mostly pathology, and not the normal state of the remedy, and also not the physical traits associated with the remedy. It is likely a limitation of the proving system we use, albeit the best we know to do - but that is the result.
My own study approach then, is to use the proving information (as it is incontrovertible) as a starting place, to discover individuals who are in alignment with a specific remedy - their ICT remedy. ICT for Innate Constitutional Type).
Studying a KNOWN Platina ICT for example (the Plat normal state having been determined from proving information) allows one to flesh out the typical characteristics of Plat, such as physical ones like size, and body proportion ones like chest shapes (wide and shallow, deep and narrow etc), hip and shoulder shapers, and various ratios, and sizes. Even the shape of teats is in line with ICT! (Just check out a herd of cows to see it!)
SO then, one can ADD an enormous amount of extra information to the provings for a remedy to flesh out its characteristics under normal circumstances and as regards movements (mannerisms, the way an individual walks, etc) and physical traits. Essentially it seems that the ICT lines up with a DNA type. One is BORN with a specific ICT type, and it remains so for life, unchanged just as DNA is unchanged.
The ICT is thus aligned with the individual and is as much an aspect of them as is their DNA.
I hasten to add: That does NOT mean it will always be a simillimum for the individual.
An ICT is not necessarily a simillimum for disease.
Illness needs to be repertorized in the usual way.
However an ICT can be used to strengthen health, just as a proving can strengthen heralth. An ICT does so MUCH more specifically for an individual who HAS that ICT.
But I digress - The pont is to flesh out our knowledge of remedies to include their healthy characteristics as well as the pathological items found in provings - and to also add physical and movement traits.
Once this has been done - which is an immense body of work to do and confirm - THEN we might be able to reverse-engineer remedies in appropriate situations, by using some of the physical and movement characteristics to help find a matching remedy - just as Mary just described that she did, in a cat, with success.
It would be especially useful in veterinary homeopathy, but is no less useful in humans. Homeopathy does not discriminate between species!
In immune compromise illness, this will not likely help as immune compromise illness tends to be off the rails and
needs its matched remedy which will not likely be the ICT.
And here is where I get controversial. I specialize in immune compromise illness, and have good success with them. The ICT in addition to simillimum - DOES support the body and help it during immune compromise disease.
By immune compromise disease, I mean one where the thymus is not able to function to overcome the attack on the immune system, such as in FIV/HIV, Lymphoma, and other cancers, FIP, FeLV, etc - where for whatever reason, the NORMAL defenses of the system - via the thymus - can not function to rid the body of the immune compromise illness state. Restoring that defensible state, works best with simillimum AND the ICT, each chosen to match the individual of course. The ICT is fixed for life, helpful to know it. The simillimum - well we hopefully all know what that is.
In these situations - where the immune compromise illness CANNOT point to the ICT - that is where it would be VERY useful to have fleshed out knowledge of remedies, in terms of physical and movement traits - so as to make it easier to find that ICT, despite the illness not actually pointing to it.
I'm not looking to interpret Platina proving features so much as to ADD new features.... Ones that provings do NOT elicit, but which do apply. Physical traits, movement traits, proportions, and so on.
Where I would dare to interpret a proving feature - is in the case where the prover would not be able to do so - such as for the size issue in Platina. No prover can KNOW that Plat is a huge size, and thus the prover can readily misinterpret the feature of all else seeming smaller.
Once we KNOW the physical traits of remedies - and the movement and proportion ones - we can do a better job of understanding the actual proving reports. We still NEED those original reports. Bu we ALSO need the extra traits.
I am also not referring to any clinical experience ini my work. I am using healthy individuals for fleshing out remedy physical and proportional and movement traits. The provings LACK most of the healthy state features of a remedy. We need those as well. Provings are great - and valid - as far as they go. They do not go nearly far enough to define a true full picture of any remedy.
and that is aimed at pathology.
There's MORE one can do. An ICT can be used to build resistance in healthy individuals (also helps during illness) so that they are strengthened against the susceptibilities they are born with due to their ICT.
This makes use of the principle Hahnemann espouses in APh 141, in which he points out that remedies taken by healthy people make them more robust.
He is referring to provings but it works even better for ICT as that truly strengthens the individual and NOT with any risk of proving symptoms as the remedy IS a match.
I agree. I'd add - it can also do a lot more work by building robustness in Platina ICT types.
I look forward to those.
We are working on different aspects towards a more comprehensive but valid whole - hopefully to be able to better use the remedies (for ICT and for pathology uses) through greater knowledge and understanding of the intimate genuine features of the remedies.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
My own aim is to flesh out the provings, till there is a more complete remedy picture. That will never detract from what the provings show, but the provings are actually much more limited than we realized, as they tend to record mostly pathology, and not the normal state of the remedy, and also not the physical traits associated with the remedy. It is likely a limitation of the proving system we use, albeit the best we know to do - but that is the result.
My own study approach then, is to use the proving information (as it is incontrovertible) as a starting place, to discover individuals who are in alignment with a specific remedy - their ICT remedy. ICT for Innate Constitutional Type).
Studying a KNOWN Platina ICT for example (the Plat normal state having been determined from proving information) allows one to flesh out the typical characteristics of Plat, such as physical ones like size, and body proportion ones like chest shapes (wide and shallow, deep and narrow etc), hip and shoulder shapers, and various ratios, and sizes. Even the shape of teats is in line with ICT! (Just check out a herd of cows to see it!)
SO then, one can ADD an enormous amount of extra information to the provings for a remedy to flesh out its characteristics under normal circumstances and as regards movements (mannerisms, the way an individual walks, etc) and physical traits. Essentially it seems that the ICT lines up with a DNA type. One is BORN with a specific ICT type, and it remains so for life, unchanged just as DNA is unchanged.
The ICT is thus aligned with the individual and is as much an aspect of them as is their DNA.
I hasten to add: That does NOT mean it will always be a simillimum for the individual.
An ICT is not necessarily a simillimum for disease.
Illness needs to be repertorized in the usual way.
However an ICT can be used to strengthen health, just as a proving can strengthen heralth. An ICT does so MUCH more specifically for an individual who HAS that ICT.
But I digress - The pont is to flesh out our knowledge of remedies to include their healthy characteristics as well as the pathological items found in provings - and to also add physical and movement traits.
Once this has been done - which is an immense body of work to do and confirm - THEN we might be able to reverse-engineer remedies in appropriate situations, by using some of the physical and movement characteristics to help find a matching remedy - just as Mary just described that she did, in a cat, with success.
It would be especially useful in veterinary homeopathy, but is no less useful in humans. Homeopathy does not discriminate between species!
In immune compromise illness, this will not likely help as immune compromise illness tends to be off the rails and
needs its matched remedy which will not likely be the ICT.
And here is where I get controversial. I specialize in immune compromise illness, and have good success with them. The ICT in addition to simillimum - DOES support the body and help it during immune compromise disease.
By immune compromise disease, I mean one where the thymus is not able to function to overcome the attack on the immune system, such as in FIV/HIV, Lymphoma, and other cancers, FIP, FeLV, etc - where for whatever reason, the NORMAL defenses of the system - via the thymus - can not function to rid the body of the immune compromise illness state. Restoring that defensible state, works best with simillimum AND the ICT, each chosen to match the individual of course. The ICT is fixed for life, helpful to know it. The simillimum - well we hopefully all know what that is.
In these situations - where the immune compromise illness CANNOT point to the ICT - that is where it would be VERY useful to have fleshed out knowledge of remedies, in terms of physical and movement traits - so as to make it easier to find that ICT, despite the illness not actually pointing to it.
I'm not looking to interpret Platina proving features so much as to ADD new features.... Ones that provings do NOT elicit, but which do apply. Physical traits, movement traits, proportions, and so on.
Where I would dare to interpret a proving feature - is in the case where the prover would not be able to do so - such as for the size issue in Platina. No prover can KNOW that Plat is a huge size, and thus the prover can readily misinterpret the feature of all else seeming smaller.
Once we KNOW the physical traits of remedies - and the movement and proportion ones - we can do a better job of understanding the actual proving reports. We still NEED those original reports. Bu we ALSO need the extra traits.
I am also not referring to any clinical experience ini my work. I am using healthy individuals for fleshing out remedy physical and proportional and movement traits. The provings LACK most of the healthy state features of a remedy. We need those as well. Provings are great - and valid - as far as they go. They do not go nearly far enough to define a true full picture of any remedy.
and that is aimed at pathology.
There's MORE one can do. An ICT can be used to build resistance in healthy individuals (also helps during illness) so that they are strengthened against the susceptibilities they are born with due to their ICT.
This makes use of the principle Hahnemann espouses in APh 141, in which he points out that remedies taken by healthy people make them more robust.
He is referring to provings but it works even better for ICT as that truly strengthens the individual and NOT with any risk of proving symptoms as the remedy IS a match.
I agree. I'd add - it can also do a lot more work by building robustness in Platina ICT types.
I look forward to those.
We are working on different aspects towards a more comprehensive but valid whole - hopefully to be able to better use the remedies (for ICT and for pathology uses) through greater knowledge and understanding of the intimate genuine features of the remedies.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: Remedy provings - Platina
Just a FWIW, this "...using some of the physical and movement characteristics to help find a matching remedy…" certainly relates to Grant Bentley's work of Homeopathic Facial Analysis. Apparently the "themes" of the energy innate to the person (for which we find that energetic "key" in a remedy), express over and over, in any area and at any level: physical, mental, emotional…
And within each level, after the fashion of fractals, with "the universe in a grain of sand", like a holograph? With the (energy of the) whole contained in each of its parts.
And, this is clearly an area where (as you note, Irene) the provings and the clinical side have to *complement* each other -- neither can do the work of the other. The provings cannot change body structure.
Fascinating!
Shsnnon
And within each level, after the fashion of fractals, with "the universe in a grain of sand", like a holograph? With the (energy of the) whole contained in each of its parts.
And, this is clearly an area where (as you note, Irene) the provings and the clinical side have to *complement* each other -- neither can do the work of the other. The provings cannot change body structure.
Fascinating!
Shsnnon
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: Remedy provings - Platina
It's also fascinating to me that the way we walk (and it applies to all species) is part of our ICT.
I've never taken part in a proving (at least not intentionally!) but COULD it change how we walk?
I suspect not as the way we walk is largely related to our structural makeup. But who KNOWS?
For example Lyc has very narrow hips, and so they walk with feet in front of each other. Kinda like a fashion model.
Ars's walk is easily identified from the rear - they have no flesh to speak of on the rear (noting to hold trousers up), and have a very long torso. I've seen one Ars person be taken for another Ars person purely because they thought they recognized the person from the back - due entirely to the way they walked. The surprise when Ars #1 turned round and the person saw it was a stranger to them, was most notable.
Phos has a jaunty bouncy fast walk, more a trot than a walk. (in longhair cats, the fur will flop up and down on their backs).
Sepia walks a bit skew. (The only clue to this in the repertory is the rubric "inelegant".)
Lachesis (with a fairly similar build to Sepia) always looks regal. Walking, lying down, sitting or standing. (I've had vets say "I do not want you to laugh at me, but this cat - she always looks so regal!")
Puls walks heavily. Also lands heavily when jumping down off somewhere. (Compare Phos who lands like a feather).
Calc phos is the tightrope walker. Slimly built but incredibly surefooted.
Okay - so CAN a proving bring out ANY aspect of this? I suspect not?
We have to study and add it separately?
Or do Phos provers WANT to walk at a jaunty trot, and Lyc provers want to walk on a fashion ramp?
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
I've never taken part in a proving (at least not intentionally!) but COULD it change how we walk?
I suspect not as the way we walk is largely related to our structural makeup. But who KNOWS?
For example Lyc has very narrow hips, and so they walk with feet in front of each other. Kinda like a fashion model.
Ars's walk is easily identified from the rear - they have no flesh to speak of on the rear (noting to hold trousers up), and have a very long torso. I've seen one Ars person be taken for another Ars person purely because they thought they recognized the person from the back - due entirely to the way they walked. The surprise when Ars #1 turned round and the person saw it was a stranger to them, was most notable.
Phos has a jaunty bouncy fast walk, more a trot than a walk. (in longhair cats, the fur will flop up and down on their backs).
Sepia walks a bit skew. (The only clue to this in the repertory is the rubric "inelegant".)
Lachesis (with a fairly similar build to Sepia) always looks regal. Walking, lying down, sitting or standing. (I've had vets say "I do not want you to laugh at me, but this cat - she always looks so regal!")
Puls walks heavily. Also lands heavily when jumping down off somewhere. (Compare Phos who lands like a feather).
Calc phos is the tightrope walker. Slimly built but incredibly surefooted.
Okay - so CAN a proving bring out ANY aspect of this? I suspect not?
We have to study and add it separately?
Or do Phos provers WANT to walk at a jaunty trot, and Lyc provers want to walk on a fashion ramp?
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."