To John

[Carol Orr]

John: I think your protests have reached a level of some kind of projection of
some conflict within yourself. A good exercise for you would be to write a
paragraph or two from the point of view of the "Irene" that you have created
in your mind.

My father used to have a recurring dream of a bully from his highschool days
until he was around 60. He wrote a couple of paragraphs from the point of view
of the bully from the dream. He never had another bully dream. As the years
went on he became more outspoken to what he perceived as bulliness in
others...he sort of bullied them a bit.

It doesn't matter at this point whether you are right or wrong...you're
putting way too much energy into this situation and are coming across to the
general population of this board as inappropriate....in my humble opinion.

[John Harvey]

Thank you, Carol, for what I'm sure is genuine concern. Very kind of you!

Cheers --

John

[Carol Orr]

What I am really concerned about is that maybe you need a remedy. You have
consistently brought up...."revealed"(in your mind) what you think Irene is
saying and then judging it. Irene has always been forthright about what she
believes and has numerous times giving great information to the group in her
exchanges with others who give good information as well, different points of
view. But except for the one point that you have repeated over and over and
over, we all know that you are against mixology, you are really hidden from
exposing anything about yourself. That you can write a faulkner like sentence
regarding mixology we all know. But what does anyone really know about
you...the man and who you are and some of your other beliefs, whether you are
a practicing homeopath, any cases you might have had. Again, in my humble
opinion, I think you have an unconscious desire to be exposed which manifests
itself as the desire to "expose" Irene. Maybe as a group we could find a
remedy for you with the limited information we have:

Holds onto things from the past
Has issues with certain people
Has exposure versus non-exposure issues

If only you were a cat, we might get Irene to come up with a remedy. By the
way, how do you feel about cats?

[John Harvey]

I'm sure you're completely sincere in this concern, Carol, and that it's only your concern that causes your tone to vary so from message to message. Again, I won't be accepting your kind offer no matter how desperately you phrase it -- but thank you anyway; it's certainly been instructive.

Cheers --

John