We are all allopaths. "Oh, Mr. Bird, you are not even a homeopath. You don't know what you are talking about!!!" Everyone who eats is committing an act of allopathy. Food and the taste of food pushes your constitution. If you are unbalanced in the direction of being a hot-head [I don't know anyone like that, of course. (:->) ], then eating hot foods will only make it worse. Now, of course, this can be corrected with the appropriate homeopathic remedy, probably, every 5 months or so. And if a person is perfectly balanced with regard to their constitution, then they can help insure that this will remain so by eating all 6 tastes each meal every day.
Most people avoid bitter and astringent, bitter especially. So they are slowly pushing themselves away from bitter and astringent and towards whatever constitutionally corresponds to pungent-hot, sweet, sour, and salty. And this says nothing about missing out on the nutrients of bitter foods like spinach, kale, etc.
You can learn more about this by searching for "ayurveda" or "ayurvedic medicine", without the quote marks of course. And the word 'constitution' translates in Ayurveda-ese as 'dosha'.
And like my testimony in every homeopathy news article comment section that I can find where I say "homeopathy works", ayurveda works. And it is not in conflict with homeopathy. In fact, homeopathic theory supports the fact that eating is an allopathic activity that is impossible to avoid. And the smart person will balance out their eating, since it is a little difficult to avoid.
Sincerely,
Roger Bird
We are all allopaths
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John Harvey
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Re: We are all allopaths
And what's your point, Roger, in relation to homoeopathic practice or understanding?
John
John
Re: We are all allopaths
Over and over Hahnemann stressed that healing was the one and only purpose for the physician. So if a homeopathic practitioner can tell his/her hot-headed patient (just an example, no one I know) that they might be benefited if they stayed away from hot spicy foods, then the practitioner ought to do that, plus give the patient the appropriate remedy.
Even after a person had been given the appropriate remedy for hot-headedness and that person seems to have become better, if they wallow in hot spicy foods every day, then they will get worse again. Food is allopathic. An imbalanced diet will result in the proving of that diet, and hot will cause hot, cold will cause cold, dry will cause dry, etc.
I am confused by this isn't obvious. We don't like allopathic medicine because it eventually makes things worse, even if it covers over the immediate symptom for a while. But food is ALWAYS allopathic, and it can't be any other way. So it has to be balanced.
Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: John.P.Harvey@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 09:39:17 +1000
Subject: Re: [Minutus] We are all allopaths
And what's your point, Roger, in relation to homoeopathic practice or understanding?
John
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"What is ironic here is that what is being held out as a justification for high regulation and compliance in the area of Complementary Medicines, Natural Products, Traditional Products, Supplements, Vitamins etc, is public safety and risk. Despite a diligent search of Coronial records and the literature, no instances have been found to demonstrate that in fact with these products in NZ there is any serious public health issue or risk to the public. The problem is clearly with prescription and other drugs and no demonstrable risk at all with these natural products… The Coronial and literature searches in so far as natural products etc are concerned and linkages to public safety and risk can be described legally as De minimis non curat lex. That is—of minimal risk importance. The law (regulations etc) does not and should not concern itself with trifles."
—D.W. Bain, Report to IM Health Trust: Complementary Medicines, Natural Products, Traditional Products, Supplements, Vitamins etc., Lamb, Bain & Laubscher, New Zealand, viewed Feb 20 2013, (emphasis added).
Even after a person had been given the appropriate remedy for hot-headedness and that person seems to have become better, if they wallow in hot spicy foods every day, then they will get worse again. Food is allopathic. An imbalanced diet will result in the proving of that diet, and hot will cause hot, cold will cause cold, dry will cause dry, etc.
I am confused by this isn't obvious. We don't like allopathic medicine because it eventually makes things worse, even if it covers over the immediate symptom for a while. But food is ALWAYS allopathic, and it can't be any other way. So it has to be balanced.
Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: John.P.Harvey@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 09:39:17 +1000
Subject: Re: [Minutus] We are all allopaths
And what's your point, Roger, in relation to homoeopathic practice or understanding?
John
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"What is ironic here is that what is being held out as a justification for high regulation and compliance in the area of Complementary Medicines, Natural Products, Traditional Products, Supplements, Vitamins etc, is public safety and risk. Despite a diligent search of Coronial records and the literature, no instances have been found to demonstrate that in fact with these products in NZ there is any serious public health issue or risk to the public. The problem is clearly with prescription and other drugs and no demonstrable risk at all with these natural products… The Coronial and literature searches in so far as natural products etc are concerned and linkages to public safety and risk can be described legally as De minimis non curat lex. That is—of minimal risk importance. The law (regulations etc) does not and should not concern itself with trifles."
—D.W. Bain, Report to IM Health Trust: Complementary Medicines, Natural Products, Traditional Products, Supplements, Vitamins etc., Lamb, Bain & Laubscher, New Zealand, viewed Feb 20 2013, (emphasis added).
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Re: We are all allopaths
Food is.....food, it is fuel for our mechanical body. It has to be properly adapted to our physiology and our nutritional needs.
Foods used to remediate problems others than nutritional deficiencies are "food pharmaceuticals" indeed, but that is not nutrition anymore, it is nutritional medicine.
Example: ginger is a fabulous spice with many health benefits as a food. If you have high blood pressure and need to reduce it while finding and treating its cause, you can use ginger in very high doses no cook would ever dream putting in his dishes.
When I give dietary/nutritional advice to my patients, explaining what "human food" is, this is nutrition.
When I add the vitamins and minerals and antioxidants, etc,...all of us in the western world now seem to need, that is nutritional medicine.
It is not allopathy, allopathy meaning "something else, without principles".
Homeopathy works on the principle of the law of similars.
Ayurveda, TCM, herbalism in general is based on the principle of the law of opposites: it also has its place at times. And I added in general, because often it is possible to understand the herbal prescription from a homeopathic point of view, although few herbalists will accept this...for now.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com
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Foods used to remediate problems others than nutritional deficiencies are "food pharmaceuticals" indeed, but that is not nutrition anymore, it is nutritional medicine.
Example: ginger is a fabulous spice with many health benefits as a food. If you have high blood pressure and need to reduce it while finding and treating its cause, you can use ginger in very high doses no cook would ever dream putting in his dishes.
When I give dietary/nutritional advice to my patients, explaining what "human food" is, this is nutrition.
When I add the vitamins and minerals and antioxidants, etc,...all of us in the western world now seem to need, that is nutritional medicine.
It is not allopathy, allopathy meaning "something else, without principles".
Homeopathy works on the principle of the law of similars.
Ayurveda, TCM, herbalism in general is based on the principle of the law of opposites: it also has its place at times. And I added in general, because often it is possible to understand the herbal prescription from a homeopathic point of view, although few herbalists will accept this...for now.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com
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Re: We are all allopaths
I am going to take it as a rule of thumb that you, Dr. Joe, cannot learn anything from me and probably anyone else because you want to maintain your superior position. So, please, since you know it all, just ignore my posts, and I will ignore your posts.
Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: jroz@ihug.co.nz
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 12:26:32 +1200
Subject: Re: [Minutus] We are all allopaths
Food is.....food, it is fuel for our mechanical body. It has to be properly adapted to our physiology and our nutritional needs.
Foods used to remediate problems others than nutritional deficiencies are "food pharmaceuticals" indeed, but that is not nutrition anymore, it is nutritional medicine.
Example: ginger is a fabulous spice with many health benefits as a food. If you have high blood pressure and need to reduce it while finding and treating its cause, you can use ginger in very high doses no cook would ever dream putting in his dishes.
When I give dietary/nutritional advice to my patients, explaining what "human food" is, this is nutrition.
When I add the vitamins and minerals and antioxidants, etc,...all of us in the western world now seem to need, that is nutritional medicine.
It is not allopathy, allopathy meaning "something else, without principles".
Homeopathy works on the principle of the law of similars.
Ayurveda, TCM, herbalism in general is based on the principle of the law of opposites: it also has its place at times. And I added in general, because often it is possible to understand the herbal prescription from a homeopathic point of view, although few herbalists will accept this...for now.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com
________________________________
Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: jroz@ihug.co.nz
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 12:26:32 +1200
Subject: Re: [Minutus] We are all allopaths
Food is.....food, it is fuel for our mechanical body. It has to be properly adapted to our physiology and our nutritional needs.
Foods used to remediate problems others than nutritional deficiencies are "food pharmaceuticals" indeed, but that is not nutrition anymore, it is nutritional medicine.
Example: ginger is a fabulous spice with many health benefits as a food. If you have high blood pressure and need to reduce it while finding and treating its cause, you can use ginger in very high doses no cook would ever dream putting in his dishes.
When I give dietary/nutritional advice to my patients, explaining what "human food" is, this is nutrition.
When I add the vitamins and minerals and antioxidants, etc,...all of us in the western world now seem to need, that is nutritional medicine.
It is not allopathy, allopathy meaning "something else, without principles".
Homeopathy works on the principle of the law of similars.
Ayurveda, TCM, herbalism in general is based on the principle of the law of opposites: it also has its place at times. And I added in general, because often it is possible to understand the herbal prescription from a homeopathic point of view, although few herbalists will accept this...for now.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com
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Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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Re: We are all allopaths
Be my guest.
More time for useful things.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com
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More time for useful things.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com
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Re: We are all allopaths
That could be my problem in trying to explain this.
In homeopathy, the "like" in "Like heals like" means "a potentised and diluted bad thing will heal a disease that the bad thing not diluted and potentized causes". I always envisioned the diluted/potentized remedy in homeopathy as penetrating the physical and the ego and getting to what chiropractors call "innate" or the vital force, and tickling innate and saying, "Hey, wake up, I'm a problem for you, do something about me.".
In Ayurveda, "like causes like" also. So, if someone is hot, then we give them cold. This sounds different from homeopathy, but it is not. In Ayurveda the substance (food) is not diluted and potentized. In homeopathy, if someone is manifesting what sulfur would cause, we don't give them more sulfur. That would just make the problem worse. We give them a potentized and diluted form of sulfur, sort of a postcard into headquarters saying, "Hey, wake up and deal with the information I am telling you." But with food we cannot do this; you actually have to eat the food. Hot causes hot, dry causes dry in both systems. So instead of potentisation and dilution of homeopathy, Ayurveda just gives the opposite.
It is certainly not as elegant as homeopathy, but what are you going to do, stop eating? Since we have to eat anyway, we might as well try for balance.
For me, Ayurveda has been a God send, and it works very well for me. If I eat hot food, someone is going to pay. And I will be damned if I am going to ignore the importance and value of that. From my perspective, homeopathy and Ayurveda are 100% compatible, if you understand them. Curry is my favorite food and is dreadful on my temperament. I would not potentize and dilute a cucumber for my curry "illness". That would be telling my vital force, "hey, I'm too cold, get hotter." I would potentize and dilute actual curry and tell my innate, "hey, chill.".
Do you understand that? Your asking the question helped me get my thoughts together.
Sincerely,
Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: shannonnelson@tds.net
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 19:46:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [Minutus] We are all allopaths
How are you defining "allopathic"?
________________________________
In homeopathy, the "like" in "Like heals like" means "a potentised and diluted bad thing will heal a disease that the bad thing not diluted and potentized causes". I always envisioned the diluted/potentized remedy in homeopathy as penetrating the physical and the ego and getting to what chiropractors call "innate" or the vital force, and tickling innate and saying, "Hey, wake up, I'm a problem for you, do something about me.".
In Ayurveda, "like causes like" also. So, if someone is hot, then we give them cold. This sounds different from homeopathy, but it is not. In Ayurveda the substance (food) is not diluted and potentized. In homeopathy, if someone is manifesting what sulfur would cause, we don't give them more sulfur. That would just make the problem worse. We give them a potentized and diluted form of sulfur, sort of a postcard into headquarters saying, "Hey, wake up and deal with the information I am telling you." But with food we cannot do this; you actually have to eat the food. Hot causes hot, dry causes dry in both systems. So instead of potentisation and dilution of homeopathy, Ayurveda just gives the opposite.
It is certainly not as elegant as homeopathy, but what are you going to do, stop eating? Since we have to eat anyway, we might as well try for balance.
For me, Ayurveda has been a God send, and it works very well for me. If I eat hot food, someone is going to pay. And I will be damned if I am going to ignore the importance and value of that. From my perspective, homeopathy and Ayurveda are 100% compatible, if you understand them. Curry is my favorite food and is dreadful on my temperament. I would not potentize and dilute a cucumber for my curry "illness". That would be telling my vital force, "hey, I'm too cold, get hotter." I would potentize and dilute actual curry and tell my innate, "hey, chill.".
Do you understand that? Your asking the question helped me get my thoughts together.
Sincerely,
Roger
________________________________
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: shannonnelson@tds.net
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 19:46:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [Minutus] We are all allopaths
How are you defining "allopathic"?
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Paul Booyse
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Re: We are all allopaths
2 misunderstandings.
1.) Allopathy is not treating or using opposites. read your Organon carefully – the introduction/preface part. You are talking about Contraria contraris (palliation). And don’t give me Yasgur’s definition – they also got it wrong. Read Hahnemann.
2.) Anything which we experience is to be met with an appropriate process to overcome or transform that stress. If it’s bacteria , then it is met by the immune system, changes in climate by a circulatory response and, in the case of food, by a digestive process. Correct digestion results in the breakdown and metabolism of the food and the utilization of these breakdown products for the processes of life. That is nutrition. If our digestive processes are npot optimal, i.e. in a state of dis-ease, we cannot digest properly. Food is then not nutritive and becomes toxic. It exerts an action on our VF (like a proving). All the processes in the body are in one or another way “digestive”, in that they transform, metabolize or overcome, be it phagocytosis (a digestive process), a stress (emotion) situation etc. If we have the constitution to deal with these stessors, they are overcome, if not, we succumb to the ill-effects.
There are certain things which we may avoid, because our constitution is incapable of dealing with them, but there are certain stressors which are generally inimical to life, and we have to avoid them no matter what our state of health is. e.g. Gamma rays. I don’t know anyone who is immune to them .
regards,
Paul
From: Roger B
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 7:33 PM
To: mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] We are all allopaths
We are all allopaths. "Oh, Mr. Bird, you are not even a homeopath. You don't know what you are talking about!!!" Everyone who eats is committing an act of allopathy. Food and the taste of food pushes your constitution. If you are unbalanced in the direction of being a hot-head [I don't know anyone like that, of course. (:->) ], then eating hot foods will only make it worse. Now, of course, this can be corrected with the appropriate homeopathic remedy, probably, every 5 months or so. And if a person is perfectly balanced with regard to their constitution, then they can help insure that this will remain so by eating all 6 tastes each meal every day.
Most people avoid bitter and astringent, bitter especially. So they are slowly pushing themselves away from bitter and astringent and towards whatever constitutionally corresponds to pungent-hot, sweet, sour, and salty. And this says nothing about missing out on the nutrients of bitter foods like spinach, kale, etc.
You can learn more about this by searching for "ayurveda" or "ayurvedic medicine", without the quote marks of course. And the word 'constitution' translates in Ayurveda-ese as 'dosha'.
And like my testimony in every homeopathy news article comment section that I can find where I say "homeopathy works", ayurveda works. And it is not in conflict with homeopathy. In fact, homeopathic theory supports the fact that eating is an allopathic activity that is impossible to avoid. And the smart person will balance out their eating, since it is a little difficult to avoid.
Sincerely,
Roger Bird
1.) Allopathy is not treating or using opposites. read your Organon carefully – the introduction/preface part. You are talking about Contraria contraris (palliation). And don’t give me Yasgur’s definition – they also got it wrong. Read Hahnemann.
2.) Anything which we experience is to be met with an appropriate process to overcome or transform that stress. If it’s bacteria , then it is met by the immune system, changes in climate by a circulatory response and, in the case of food, by a digestive process. Correct digestion results in the breakdown and metabolism of the food and the utilization of these breakdown products for the processes of life. That is nutrition. If our digestive processes are npot optimal, i.e. in a state of dis-ease, we cannot digest properly. Food is then not nutritive and becomes toxic. It exerts an action on our VF (like a proving). All the processes in the body are in one or another way “digestive”, in that they transform, metabolize or overcome, be it phagocytosis (a digestive process), a stress (emotion) situation etc. If we have the constitution to deal with these stessors, they are overcome, if not, we succumb to the ill-effects.
There are certain things which we may avoid, because our constitution is incapable of dealing with them, but there are certain stressors which are generally inimical to life, and we have to avoid them no matter what our state of health is. e.g. Gamma rays. I don’t know anyone who is immune to them .
regards,
Paul
From: Roger B
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 7:33 PM
To: mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] We are all allopaths
We are all allopaths. "Oh, Mr. Bird, you are not even a homeopath. You don't know what you are talking about!!!" Everyone who eats is committing an act of allopathy. Food and the taste of food pushes your constitution. If you are unbalanced in the direction of being a hot-head [I don't know anyone like that, of course. (:->) ], then eating hot foods will only make it worse. Now, of course, this can be corrected with the appropriate homeopathic remedy, probably, every 5 months or so. And if a person is perfectly balanced with regard to their constitution, then they can help insure that this will remain so by eating all 6 tastes each meal every day.
Most people avoid bitter and astringent, bitter especially. So they are slowly pushing themselves away from bitter and astringent and towards whatever constitutionally corresponds to pungent-hot, sweet, sour, and salty. And this says nothing about missing out on the nutrients of bitter foods like spinach, kale, etc.
You can learn more about this by searching for "ayurveda" or "ayurvedic medicine", without the quote marks of course. And the word 'constitution' translates in Ayurveda-ese as 'dosha'.
And like my testimony in every homeopathy news article comment section that I can find where I say "homeopathy works", ayurveda works. And it is not in conflict with homeopathy. In fact, homeopathic theory supports the fact that eating is an allopathic activity that is impossible to avoid. And the smart person will balance out their eating, since it is a little difficult to avoid.
Sincerely,
Roger Bird
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Paul Booyse
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Re: We are all allopaths
Hi Roger,
By staying away from a stressor, such as hot foods, you minimize the manifestations of the diseased state. But the inherent vulnerability, the constitution, or in Hahnemann terms the chronic miasm remains and will still be apparent in other areas of health until it results in the death of the individual (if a bus doesn’t hit them). This is the problem with segregating individual parts. you can’t just look at “worse form hot foods” and modify their lifestyle. Holistically, it is part of their overall imbalance and a lifestyle modification may make them feel better without changing their constitution.
regards,
Paul
From: Roger B
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 1:54 AM
To: mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] We are all allopaths
Over and over Hahnemann stressed that healing was the one and only purpose for the physician. So if a homeopathic practitioner can tell his/her hot-headed patient (just an example, no one I know) that they might be benefited if they stayed away from hot spicy foods, then the practitioner ought to do that, plus give the patient the appropriate remedy.
Even after a person had been given the appropriate remedy for hot-headedness and that person seems to have become better, if they wallow in hot spicy foods every day, then they will get worse again. Food is allopathic. An imbalanced diet will result in the proving of that diet, and hot will cause hot, cold will cause cold, dry will cause dry, etc.
I am confused by this isn't obvious. We don't like allopathic medicine because it eventually makes things worse, even if it covers over the immediate symptom for a while. But food is ALWAYS allopathic, and it can't be any other way. So it has to be balanced.
Roger
________________________________
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: John.P.Harvey@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 09:39:17 +1000
Subject: Re: [Minutus] We are all allopaths
And what's your point, Roger, in relation to homoeopathic practice or understanding?
John
--
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"What is ironic here is that what is being held out as a justification for high regulation and compliance in the area of Complementary Medicines, Natural Products, Traditional Products, Supplements, Vitamins etc, is public safety and risk. Despite a diligent search of Coronial records and the literature, no instances have been found to demonstrate that in fact with these products in NZ there is any serious public health issue or risk to the public. The problem is clearly with prescription and other drugs and no demonstrable risk at all with these natural products… The Coronial and literature searches in so far as natural products etc are concerned and linkages to public safety and risk can be described legally as De minimis non curat lex. That is—of minimal risk importance. The law (regulations etc) does not and should not concern itself with trifles."
—D.W. Bain, Report to IM Health Trust: Complementary Medicines, Natural Products, Traditional Products, Supplements, Vitamins etc., Lamb, Bain & Laubscher, New Zealand, viewed Feb 20 2013, (emphasis added).
By staying away from a stressor, such as hot foods, you minimize the manifestations of the diseased state. But the inherent vulnerability, the constitution, or in Hahnemann terms the chronic miasm remains and will still be apparent in other areas of health until it results in the death of the individual (if a bus doesn’t hit them). This is the problem with segregating individual parts. you can’t just look at “worse form hot foods” and modify their lifestyle. Holistically, it is part of their overall imbalance and a lifestyle modification may make them feel better without changing their constitution.
regards,
Paul
From: Roger B
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 1:54 AM
To: mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] We are all allopaths
Over and over Hahnemann stressed that healing was the one and only purpose for the physician. So if a homeopathic practitioner can tell his/her hot-headed patient (just an example, no one I know) that they might be benefited if they stayed away from hot spicy foods, then the practitioner ought to do that, plus give the patient the appropriate remedy.
Even after a person had been given the appropriate remedy for hot-headedness and that person seems to have become better, if they wallow in hot spicy foods every day, then they will get worse again. Food is allopathic. An imbalanced diet will result in the proving of that diet, and hot will cause hot, cold will cause cold, dry will cause dry, etc.
I am confused by this isn't obvious. We don't like allopathic medicine because it eventually makes things worse, even if it covers over the immediate symptom for a while. But food is ALWAYS allopathic, and it can't be any other way. So it has to be balanced.
Roger
________________________________
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: John.P.Harvey@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 09:39:17 +1000
Subject: Re: [Minutus] We are all allopaths
And what's your point, Roger, in relation to homoeopathic practice or understanding?
John
--
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"What is ironic here is that what is being held out as a justification for high regulation and compliance in the area of Complementary Medicines, Natural Products, Traditional Products, Supplements, Vitamins etc, is public safety and risk. Despite a diligent search of Coronial records and the literature, no instances have been found to demonstrate that in fact with these products in NZ there is any serious public health issue or risk to the public. The problem is clearly with prescription and other drugs and no demonstrable risk at all with these natural products… The Coronial and literature searches in so far as natural products etc are concerned and linkages to public safety and risk can be described legally as De minimis non curat lex. That is—of minimal risk importance. The law (regulations etc) does not and should not concern itself with trifles."
—D.W. Bain, Report to IM Health Trust: Complementary Medicines, Natural Products, Traditional Products, Supplements, Vitamins etc., Lamb, Bain & Laubscher, New Zealand, viewed Feb 20 2013, (emphasis added).