repeating doses

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear Sheri
If I was to have followed your advice, then my pneumonia case would have failed.
Sometimes you need to push the remedy a bit (and plussing is the ideal way), especially if one is relatively sure of the choice.

If there is no reaction after 5 doses, then the remedy choice needs to be questioned.
Rgds

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheri Nakken
Sent: 12 June 2013 23:34
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] repeating doses
for an acute.............probably needed higher potency initially
Dose Frequency

You basically give 1 dose of 1 remedy and wait…..

If improvement, don’t give anymore.

If improvement and then same symptoms come back­give another dose of same.
To give another dose:
Take the water bottle you have and succuss it­this is strong downward thrusts from about 2 feet up­like a judge hitting a gavel.
Do this 10 times on a book or something (you are succussing to slightly
raise the potency of what you have started with).
Give another teaspoon out of this.

If improvement and new symptoms appear, research and find what the new remedy should be. Sometime one remedy will shift things and then require different
remedy to finish up.

If no improvement on one dose of 30c in water, repeat it in 20-30 minutes.
If no improvement on one dose if 200c in water, repeat it in 1 hour. If you are using 6X or something, may have to repeat oftener than a 30C as the energy ‘gets used up’, in a way.
You can do this 2 or 3 times with 200C or 30C. If no improvement after that probably wrong remedy.

Signs of improvement

Improvement you may see first is in mental/emotional symptoms, or sleep, or general well being, or thirst or appetite­then the physical symptoms may improve later.

Sheri
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[Soroush Ebrahimi]

If symptoms improve, do not repeat - until the symptoms start to come back.
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rochelle
Sent: 12 June 2013 22:41
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: FW: [Minutus] repeating doses
Dr Subarta Banerjea doses 1 teaspoon every hour for 10 doses for something like this – stirring between each dose. He tells patients to make the solution up in a water bottle and shake and sip rather than mess around with teaspoons. You should have repeated your dose when the elbow started to get sore again rather than wait until the next day. The soreness again was an indication that you needed another dose.
Rochelle Marsden MSc, RSHom, MNWCH, AAMET

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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Julie Armour
I was treating tennis elbow that I got after too much garden work. It persisted even a month later. So I guess it was an acute problem at least at first. I should have used a remedy right away, but I didn't. Then I tried Bryonia 30C. I never use the dry doses, only the water ones. I tapped the prepared solution 10 times and then took a teaspoon. There was some improvement right away, but then a few hours later the elbow was very sore again. I repeated this same dose with the 10 taps the next day, and then two days later. Each time there was some improvement, but then it went away. However, today it seems better. I haven't taken the remedy today at all. Should I just wait?

Thanks so much,

Julie

[Rochelle]

I did this as a student as I said but we obviously prescribe differently any way. In homeopathy there is not one way to prescribe or one potency to give as it depends on the patient. It depends on so many variables , like the patient and their vitality and the nature of their dis-sease. In a chronic case I will often give a 1M as I find it a gentle deep acting potency. As you know I don’t do LMs
Rochelle
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheri Nakken
the dosing info I sent was for acutes! Never use 200c for chronics - only 12c, 30c and LMS
And would never give for a chronic case that way.

The INFO I SENT was ONLY for acutes or first aid
Sheri

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[Soroush Ebrahimi]

"I don't do LMs." WHAT?? You are ignoring Hahnemann's "perfected" method?
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rochelle
Sent: 13 June 2013 12:03
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: FW: FW: FW: [Minutus] repeating doses
I did this as a student as I said but we obviously prescribe differently any way. In homeopathy there is not one way to prescribe or one potency to give as it depends on the patient. It depends on so many variables , like the patient and their vitality and the nature of their dis-sease. In a chronic case I will often give a 1M as I find it a gentle deep acting potency. As you know I don’t do LMs
Rochelle
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheri Nakken
the dosing info I sent was for acutes! Never use 200c for chronics - only 12c, 30c and LMS
And would never give for a chronic case that way.

The INFO I SENT was ONLY for acutes or first aid
Sheri

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[Rochelle]

My patients and I are quite happy with C’s and Water potencies of C’s. We don’t all use the same method and as long as what we use works for us that is OK. I have tried LMs – and basically I can’t patient compliance – they don’t report back to me – they don’t do them correctly and give up !! What about Joe Rozencwajg ? He is very happy with the Fibonacci series and is even evolving that as it works for him and his patients.

I would say most people on this list do C’s rather than LM’s.
Rochelle
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of finrod@finrod.co.uk
Sent: 13 June 2013 13:20
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: FW: FW: [Minutus] repeating doses
"I don't do LMs." WHAT?? You are ignoring Hahnemann's "perfected" method?
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rochelle
Sent: 13 June 2013 12:03
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: FW: FW: FW: [Minutus] repeating doses
I did this as a student as I said but we obviously prescribe differently any way. In homeopathy there is not one way to prescribe or one potency to give as it depends on the patient. It depends on so many variables , like the patient and their vitality and the nature of their dis-sease. In a chronic case I will often give a 1M as I find it a gentle deep acting potency. As you know I don’t do LMs
Rochelle
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheri Nakken
the dosing info I sent was for acutes! Never use 200c for chronics - only 12c, 30c and LMS
And would never give for a chronic case that way.

The INFO I SENT was ONLY for acutes or first aid
Sheri

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[Sheri Nakken]

I'm not sure what you meant - this is what I share with parents for MINOR acute and first aid - and sharing it here for the person getting response from Bryonia but not repeating it enough.
This is what I share for the above

If I am treating an acute, I would be monitoring this and adjusting accordingly.

So explain what you mean about what you did, as when people say plussing they seem to mean different things.

Sheri

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[Sheri Nakken]

Correction - meant to say -- "I" never use 200c for chronic cases - have only found the need 12c, 30c and LMS (not to say I wouldn't run into someone who needs that, but when you use the 12c for more sensitive, or 30c for sensitive or to start, and then LMs after that or to begin with, don't usually go from there to 200c

And should have said MINOR acutes and first aid that you can treat on your own. More complicated or serious acutes, need the homeopath to treat

Sheri

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear Sheri

From my reply to Julie yesterday:

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On another occasion with a patient suffering from pneumonia, Ant-t 200C in water had done nothing after 5 minutes. Here we had urgency as patient had a very high pulse and breathing rates. So it was plussed and repeated - again nothing after 5 minutes so plussed again and this time within 1 minute the patient reported that the post nasal flow that had caused all the problems of severe and painful cough and now the lung problems was stopped. As if someone had turned off a tap.

He then slept for a few hours and was on the road to recovery.

(Plussing is where the remedy is added to small quantity of water and is succussed prior to each dose.)

Kent's advice is not to repeat the same dose - so by plussing we increase the potency slightly.

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Soroush

From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheri Nakken
Sent: 13 June 2013 18:22
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: FW: FW: FW: [Minutus] repeating doses
Correction - meant to say -- "I" never use 200c for chronic cases - have only found the need 12c, 30c and LMS (not to say I wouldn't run into someone who needs that, but when you use the 12c for more sensitive, or 30c for sensitive or to start, and then LMs after that or to begin with, don't usually go from there to 200c

And should have said MINOR acutes and first aid that you can treat on your own. More complicated or serious acutes, need the homeopath to treat

Sheri
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[Sheri Nakken]

thanks Soroush - I didn't see that yesterday.
Yes certainly and I agee - not something that a person would be doing with themselves hopefully - again my instructions are for minor acutes and first aid and should have been clearer here, as I am with my students. Your idea of plussing is similar to mine I think - as Hahnemann tuaght. Thanks for sharing your story. Its just that the word 'plussing' is used in many different ways, in my experience, so always ask for clarification.

And I don't think it was Kent who talked about not repeating the same potency. He used dry remedies (I think exclusively)
It was Hahnemann in 6th edition - which Kent didn't have knowledge of....................
§ 247 Sixth Edition
It is impractical to repeat the same unchanged dose of a remedy once, not to mention its frequent repetition (and at short intervals in order not to delay the cure). The vital principle does not accept such unchanged doses without resistance, that is, without other symptoms of the medicine to manifest themselves than those similar to the disease to be cured, because the former dose has already accomplished the expected change in the vital principle and a second dynamically wholly similar, unchanged dose of the same medicine no longer finds, therefore, the same conditions of the vital force. The patient may indeed be made sick in another way by receiving other such unchanged doses, even sicker than he was, for now only those symptoms of the given remedy remain active which were not homoeopathic to the original disease, hence no step towards cure can follow, only a true aggravation of the condition of the patient. But if the succeeding dose is changed slightly every time, namely potentized somewhat higher (§§ 269-270) then the vital principle may be altered without difficulty by the same medicine (the sensation of natural disease diminishing) and thus the cure brought nearer.1

1 We ought not even with the best chosen homoeopathic medicine, for instance one pellet of the same potency that was beneficial at first, to let the patient have a second or third dose, taken dry. In the same way, if the medicine was dissolved in water and the first dose proved beneficial, a second or third and even smaller dose from the bottle standing undisturbed, even in intervals of a few days, would prove no longer beneficial, even though the original preparation had been potentized with ten succussions or as I suggested later with but two succussions in order to obviate this disadvantage and this according to above reasons. But through modification of every dose in its dynamiztion degree, as I herewith teach, there exists no offence, even if the doses be repeated more frequently, even if the medicine be ever so highly potentized with ever so many succussions. It almost seems as if the best selected homoeopathic remedy could best extract the morbid disorder from the vital force and in chronic disease to extinguish the same only if applied in several different forms.

Sheri

At 10:46 AM 6/13/2013, you wrote:

[Irene de Villiers]

Did not touch my case, I am loath to call any remedy a main remedy here because there are 71 remedies in the rubric:
EXTREMITIES - MOTION - agg. - Upper limbs

My simillimum was causticum when I had the problem. I do believe it should be repertorized individually.

Tendon damage is the cause of tennis elbow pain. Causticum is well known for helping damaged tendons, and has several related rubrics, such as this one I had:
EXTREMITIES - PAIN - Forearms - Tendons - tearing pain

..........Irene

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