Crategus oxy

[Jeff Tikari gmail]

I asked Dr. Chandran about using Crat in the potentised form. Below is what he said:
CRATAEGUS OXYCANTHA- A BIOCHEMICAL STUDY OF MEDICINAL PROPERTIES:

Active ingredients found in CRATEGUS include tannins, flavonoids (vitexin, rutin, quercetin, and hyperoside), oligomeric proanthocyanidins (epicatechin, procyanidin, and particularly procyanidin B-2), flavone-C, triterpene acids (ursolic acid, oleanolic acid, and crataegolic acid), and phenolic acids (caffeic acid, chlorogenic acid, and related phenolcarboxylic acids). A lot of study regarding biological actions of these chemical constituents are required.

Proanthocyanidins contained in CRATEGUS suppress production of a protein endothelin-1 that constricts blood vessels. Endothelins are proteins that constrict blood vessels and raise blood pressure. They are normally kept in balance by other mechanisms, but when they are over-expressed, they contribute to high blood pressure (hypertension) and heart disease.

Endothelins are 21-amino acid vasoconstricting peptides produced primarily in the endothelium having a key role in vascular homeostasis. Endothelins are implicated in vascular diseases of several organ systems, including the heart, general circulation and brain.

Procyanidin B2 has been shown to inhibit the formation of the advanced glycation end products in the body, which are toxic. AGEs are formed inside the body by co-valent bonding of simple sugars with protein molecules. It is also formed in food articles when sugar is added to proteins and heated to high temperatures during cooking. BROWNING during cooking indicates this process. AGEs play a role in the build up of plaques in artery walls. The formation and accumulation of advanced glycation endproducts (AGEs) has been implicated in the progression of age-related diseases such as Alzheimer's Disease, cardiovascular disease, and stroke.The mechanism by which AGEs induce damage is through a process called cross-linking that causes intracellular damage and apoptosis. AGEs affect nearly every type of cell and molecule in the body, and are thought to be one factor in aging and some age-related chronic diseases. They are also believed to play a causative role in the vascular complications of diabetes mellitus. They have a range of pathological effects, including increasing vascular permeability, inhibition of vascular dilation by interfering with nitric oxide, oxidising LDL, binding cells including macrophage, endothelial, and mesangial cells to induce the secretion of a variety of cytokines and enhancing oxidative stress.

Proanthocyanidins have antioxidant activity by 'oxygen radical absorbance capacity'. We know free radicals play a role in formation of atherosclerosis by oxidizing LDL molecules entrapped in blood vessel walls.

Studies show that proanthocyanidins antioxidant capabilities are 20 times more powerful than vitamin C and 50 times more potent than vitamin E.

Proanthocyanidins have been shown to optimize the production of nitric oxide in the artery walls so as to relax them and allow greater blood flow and reduced pressure.

Chlorogenic acid present in CRATAEGUS can slow the release of glucose into the bloodstream after a meal, and thus help in reducing blood sugar levels.

Presence Procyanidin B2 in CRATEGUS shows, it is a good remedy for preventing accumulation of advanced glycation endproducts (AGEs) implicated in the progression of age-related diseases, such as Alzheimer's Disease, cardiovascular disease, and stroke.

It is obvious that BP-lowering, artery-relaxing and atherosclerosis-reducing properties of CRATAEGUS are related with the PHYSIOLOGICAL actions of CRUDE molecules.

Means, we use CRATAEGUS allopathically- not homeopathically. We cannot expect such actions from potentized Crataegus.

Potentized CRATAEGUS will be useful in LOW BLOOD PRESSURE, CARDIAC HYPERTROPHY, etc

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[Irene de Villiers]

Jeff,
These are not valid assumptions.

Potentizing a remedy INCREASES the medicinal action - (NOT decreases or reverses it) - it decreases the side effects.

Specifically I have used Crat 8C, to reverse a case of cardiac hypertrophy with hypertension - proving the point, (though it needs no proving - it is how homeopathy works, and is well explained in the Organon.)
Namaste,
Irene
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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Tanya Marquette]

Was there ever a proving on Crategus? I once tried to find one.
Further, I could only find Crat in liquid at 1x.
Irene, did you potentize the Crat to 8C?
t
From: Irene de Villiers
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Jeff,
These are not valid assumptions.

Potentizing a remedy INCREASES the medicinal action - (NOT decreases or reverses it) - it decreases the side effects.

Specifically I have used Crat 8C, to reverse a case of cardiac hypertrophy with hypertension - proving the point, (though it needs no proving - it is how homeopathy works, and is well explained in the Organon.)

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Athanasios Razis]

This is a subject that i always found a bit problematic about homeopathy. The way i understand it if a substance causes something, then the potentised form of the substance can cure it... A great example are the poisons in our materia medica. Big part of the picture of mercury is by cases of poisoning. Someone took the poison and now we are using the remedy to treat cases that present with similar symptoms of that of mercury poisoning... So this is Homeopathy!

Now with herbal remedies, i do not understand under what philosophy or Hoemopathic backround homeopaths use herbal remedies with proved remedial actions to potentize them in order to use them for the opposite of what they cause.

Now with Hawthorn as an example, it does not cause vasoconstriction, neither does it produces cardiac hypertrophy. Quite the opposite, as a natural substance it is used to help with these conditions. How is it homeopathic then to use to potentized form in order to do so! This as far i understand is not Homeopathy. It might work in another way but not a homeopathic one. You are not treating the similar. I would actually expect it to be used (in a homeopathic form) to treat low blood pressure (as this is what it causes as a physical substance).

Of course there is also the way of the provings of a remedy but again i am not aware of any.

Cheers
Thanos

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

From Anshutz:
"A clinical resume of Crataegus is to be found in "New, old, and Forgotten Remedies" this book quotes articles from the New York Medical Journal, October, 1896, and from the Kansas City Medical Journal, 1898. None of these quotations are based upon proving, but are, practically, empirical deductions. A record of the effects and uses of it is to be found in Clark's Dictionary of Materia Medica; this authority bases his deductions mostly upon clinical and empirical experiences. So far as can be determined, the first proving was conducted by Dr. A. C. Cowperthwaite and appeared in the Transactions of the American Institute of Homeopathy for 1900. In 1910 Crataegus was proven by the Homeopathy Department of the University of Michigan and the results published in the Medical Century, June, 1910. Bradford's Index to Proving (1901) does not mention the remedy. Frequent reference to the medicine is to be found in the periodical literature of the Homeopathic and Eclectic Schools. The drug used in this proving was supplied by Boericke and Tafel.
THE PROVERS. Three medical students participated in the proving, after a careful physical examination, in addition to analyses of the urine and blood, were found to be practically normal in every respect The provers were ignorant of the name of the drug being used and received financial compensation for their services. Their ages were 21, 23, and 22 years respectively."

From Mathur:
" Proved by Dr. Cowperthwaite of Chicago in 1900. Dr. Green of Ireland cured many heart patients with this secret remedy at that time."

From Vermeulen Synoptic 2:
"Introduced by Green. Proved by Cowperthwaite and Brown in 1900 on 14 persons, by Hinsdale in 1910 on 3 persons and by Assmann in 1929-30 on 9 persons. In 1992-93 proved by Stoschitzky on 6 persons [4 men, 2 women"
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com

[Rochelle]

From Isis software

Crategus

Ailments from

Warm Room.
Amelioration

Rest, Fresh air.
Mind

Irritability crossness and melancholy.
Indications

- Heart tonic;

- Cardiac dropsy; Angina pectoris; incompetent valves;

- Pulse rapid, irregular;

- It has a solvent power upon crustaceous and calcareous deposits;

- Pain under left scapula left clavicle;

- Cardiac dyspnoea; fingers and toes blue.
Rochelle
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From Anshutz:
"A clinical resume of Crataegus is to be found in "New, old, and Forgotten Remedies" this book quotes articles from the New York Medical Journal, October, 1896, and from the Kansas City Medical Journal, 1898. None of these quotations are based upon proving, but are, practically, empirical deductions. A record of the effects and uses of it is to be found in Clark's Dictionary of Materia Medica; this authority bases his deductions mostly upon clinical and empirical experiences. So far as can be determined, the first proving was conducted by Dr. A. C. Cowperthwaite and appeared in the Transactions of the American Institute of Homeopathy for 1900. In 1910 Crataegus was proven by the Homeopathy Department of the University of Michigan and the results published in the Medical Century, June, 1910. Bradford's Index to Proving (1901) does not mention the remedy. Frequent reference to the medicine is to be found in the periodical literature of the Homeopathic and Eclectic Schools. The drug used in this proving was supplied by Boericke and Tafel.
THE PROVERS. Three medical students participated in the proving, after a careful physical examination, in addition to analyses of the urine and blood, were found to be practically normal in every respect The provers were ignorant of the name of the drug being used and received financial compensation for their services. Their ages were 21, 23, and 22 years respectively."

From Mathur:
" Proved by Dr. Cowperthwaite of Chicago in 1900. Dr. Green of Ireland cured many heart patients with this secret remedy at that time."

From Vermeulen Synoptic 2:
"Introduced by Green. Proved by Cowperthwaite and Brown in 1900 on 14 persons, by Hinsdale in 1910 on 3 persons and by Assmann in 1929-30 on 9 persons. In 1992-93 proved by Stoschitzky on 6 persons [4 men, 2 women"
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

That is because the herb itself is working as a homeopathic remedy in its "crude" form.

Unbeknownst to them, most herbalists are practicing homeopathy without knowing it.

According to Bone & Mills, the acute oral toxicity of hawthorn in an undefined (?) animal is 6 grams/kg (I did not read the study they refer to), meaning almost half a kilo to be ingested in a 75 kg adult to see some undefined bad effects. You never reach those amounts, but if you tried or managed to ingest double this dose though sheer obstinacy, you would start seeing cardiovascular problems.

Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com

[Rochelle]

From Clarke
Crataegus Oxyacantha.

Crataegus oxyacantha. Hawthorn. N. O. Rosaceae. Tincture of the ripe fruit.

Angina pectoris. Heart, affections of; failure of; hypertrophy of.

Crataegus was introduced into medicine as a heart remedy by Dr. Greene, of Ennis, Ireland, and it has been used empirically with much success in cases of heart failure. It has usually been given in 5-drop doses of the tincture. Weal rapid pulse; dyspnoea and dropsy, dependent on failure of heart-power whether from valvular affection or from anaemia, appear to be the leading indications. Heart-failure threatened from slightest exertion.
The drug may cause nausea when given in the tincture unless given during or immediately after a meal. The mental state is that of irritability, crossness, and melancholy.
Crataeg. is the nearest approach to a positive heart tonic that I know of. It has produced some heart symptoms and has, doubtless, a homoeopathic relation; but it is not a heart poison like Digitalis, and has no cumulative action.
Here are some cases; Halbert in Clinique, March, 1899, records this case; "Mr. S., a young man sixteen years of age, had worked hard at manual labour since his twelfth year to support a widowed mother. He had, in fact, done a man's word before his physical maturity would permit it. For some time he had shown some signs of cardiac hypertrophy, and had been cautioned by physicians to take good care as to his heart. About a year ago, during some gymnastic extreme in the nature of sport, he was suddenly admonished that something had 'given way,' and for relief was obliged to take to his bed. When I first saw him he was obliged to lie down, respiration was laboured and irregular, and the heart's action was greatly exaggerated and erratic. There was decided precordial bulging; the apex beat was considerably displaced, downward and to the left, and the whole cardiac dullness was greatly extended; the impulse was heaving in character, with considerable mitral systolic blowing and the corresponding diastolic intensification; there were also signs of considerable pulmonary engorgement and some pain in the chest region. The patient was put into a warm bath for twenty minutes, and then carefully returned to bed. Aconite 3x was administered every half-hour, and continued hourly for a day or two afterward until he was somewhat relieved. Crataegus, five-drop doses of the tincture, was then administered five times daily for a long time.
The effects of this remedy were most remarkable; the cardiac irritation gradually lessened; the area of dullness decreased and the rhythm improved; at the same time all the general symptoms improved rapidly. He has now been using the remedy for several months, and the result is most satisfactory. I have every reason to expect a cure of the extreme symptoms, and believe the heart will be reduced to a safe hypertrophy, which will virtually be a cure".
A girl of twelve had a sudden collapse in third week of typhoid (Clinique, vii. 52). Crataeg. gtt. v. every two hours was given on these indications; Great pallor, irregular breathing, cold extremities, pulse 120, very weak and irregular. Strychnia, Digit. and Cact. had failed to give more than temporary relief. Under Crataeg. she rallied at once.
Cases of hypertrophy with failing power, dilatation, alcoholic heart, and nervous palpitation have all been relieved by the remedy.
T. C. Duncan (H. Recorder, xii. 199) gave complete relief in a case of angina pectoris, the pain being above and to left of stomach; pulse strong and forcible; indications of hypertrophy were found. A very tender spot on left side of spine. Crataegus removed at the same time "a hurried, flurried feeling" and the anxious expression of her face.
Dr. Duncan produced in himself when proving Crataegus a "flurried feeling,"

which he attributed to the rapid action of the stimulated heart. A nervous lady medical student who also proved it had "an unusual rush of blood to the head with confused feeling," followed later by "a feeling of quiet and calmness mentally". The remedy is well worth a thorough proving.

Compare; Other members of the Rose family, notably Prunus Virginianus and Amygdala amara, and also, Laurocer., Camphor, Hydrocy. ac., Digitalis, Arsen. iod., Strophanthus, Phaseolus, etc.

Irritability, crossness, melancholy.
Hurried, flurried feeling; with rapid action of heart.
An unusual rush of blood to the head with confused feeling; followed by a feeling of quiet and calmness mentally.

Nausea.
Dyspepsia and nervous prostration, with heart failure.

Faintness and collapse.
Heart failure in hypertrophy and valvular disease.
Palpitation and rapid action of heart.
Angina pectoris, pain above and to left stomach, pulse strong and forcible; indications of hypertrophy; very tender spot left side of spine.
Hypertrophy from over exertion; from alcoholic, venereal and other excesses.
Heart collapse in typhoid.
Heart dropsy
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From Isis software

Crategus

Ailments from

Warm Room.
Amelioration

Rest, Fresh air.
Mind

Irritability crossness and melancholy.
Indications

- Heart tonic;

- Cardiac dropsy; Angina pectoris; incompetent valves;

- Pulse rapid, irregular;

- It has a solvent power upon crustaceous and calcareous deposits;

- Pain under left scapula left clavicle;

- Cardiac dyspnoea; fingers and toes blue.
Rochelle
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
Sent: 26 May 2013 21:58
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Crategus oxy
From Anshutz:
"A clinical resume of Crataegus is to be found in "New, old, and Forgotten Remedies" this book quotes articles from the New York Medical Journal, October, 1896, and from the Kansas City Medical Journal, 1898. None of these quotations are based upon proving, but are, practically, empirical deductions. A record of the effects and uses of it is to be found in Clark's Dictionary of Materia Medica; this authority bases his deductions mostly upon clinical and empirical experiences. So far as can be determined, the first proving was conducted by Dr. A. C. Cowperthwaite and appeared in the Transactions of the American Institute of Homeopathy for 1900. In 1910 Crataegus was proven by the Homeopathy Department of the University of Michigan and the results published in the Medical Century, June, 1910. Bradford's Index to Proving (1901) does not mention the remedy. Frequent reference to the medicine is to be found in the periodical literature of the Homeopathic and Eclectic Schools. The drug used in this proving was supplied by Boericke and Tafel.
THE PROVERS. Three medical students participated in the proving, after a careful physical examination, in addition to analyses of the urine and blood, were found to be practically normal in every respect The provers were ignorant of the name of the drug being used and received financial compensation for their services. Their ages were 21, 23, and 22 years respectively."

From Mathur:
" Proved by Dr. Cowperthwaite of Chicago in 1900. Dr. Green of Ireland cured many heart patients with this secret remedy at that time."

From Vermeulen Synoptic 2:
"Introduced by Green. Proved by Cowperthwaite and Brown in 1900 on 14 persons, by Hinsdale in 1910 on 3 persons and by Assmann in 1929-30 on 9 persons. In 1992-93 proved by Stoschitzky on 6 persons [4 men, 2 women"
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com

[Tanya Marquette]

Boy did I miss out on finding that one.
I see that it really has had several provings
with corroborating clinical experience, mainly
in the tincture form.
Thanks for the information.
t
From: Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Crategus oxy

From Anshutz:
"A clinical resume of Crataegus is to be found in "New, old, and Forgotten Remedies" this book quotes articles from the New York Medical Journal, October, 1896, and from the Kansas City Medical Journal, 1898. None of these quotations are based upon proving, but are, practically, empirical deductions. A record of the effects and uses of it is to be found in Clark's Dictionary of Materia Medica; this authority bases his deductions mostly upon clinical and empirical experiences. So far as can be determined, the first proving was conducted by Dr. A. C. Cowperthwaite and appeared in the Transactions of the American Institute of Homeopathy for 1900. In 1910 Crataegus was proven by the Homeopathy Department of the University of Michigan and the results published in the Medical Century, June, 1910. Bradford's Index to Proving (1901) does not mention the remedy. Frequent reference to the medicine is to be found in the periodical literature of the Homeopathic and Eclectic Schools. The drug used in this proving was supplied by Boericke and Tafel.
THE PROVERS. Three medical students participated in the proving, after a careful physical examination, in addition to analyses of the urine and blood, were found to be practically normal in every respect The provers were ignorant of the name of the drug being used and received financial compensation for their services. Their ages were 21, 23, and 22 years respectively."

From Mathur:
" Proved by Dr. Cowperthwaite of Chicago in 1900. Dr. Green of Ireland cured many heart patients with this secret remedy at that time."

From Vermeulen Synoptic 2:
"Introduced by Green. Proved by Cowperthwaite and Brown in 1900 on 14 persons, by Hinsdale in 1910 on 3 persons and by Assmann in 1929-30 on 9 persons. In 1992-93 proved by Stoschitzky on 6 persons [4 men, 2 women"
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com

[Ginny Wilken]

I'll add my little anecdotal evidence: I used to be an endurance athlete, trained to the max cardiologically. I now have chronic muscle weakness along with other issues, and have been under homeopathic treatment for some years. Due to the muscular disability, my heart rate and capacity had dropped drastically, and last year I came close to a cardiac event upon having to run 30 yards or so in an emergency. I started using crataegus in tincture, a dropperful twice daily - about 20 drops - and almost immediately got great relief and very much improved heart response. Tachy- and bradycardiac episodes cleared up, and exercise tolerance improved - I can now walk up hills briskly without stopping. I continue to use the hawthorn daily, along with my current chronic remedy. My homeopath knows, and has voiced no concern about the crataegus. I also keep a vial of 30c pellets in my travel kit.

It's worth noting, perhaps, that I have never had any diagnosis of traditional heart disease, and have excellent lipid and BP numbers.

Just to add a data point.
ginny

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