Pain killers during treatment

[Ellen Madono]

Hi Bob,

I am not understanding Dr. Roz very narrowly. There is a very specialized way of repping using certain rubrics and books. They would get very angry if they saw what I am saying so don't assume that there is a huge field of agreement over these issues. Anyway I am not suggesting the Boenninghausen method of George Dimitiadias. http://www.wholehealthnow.com/courses/f ... s.html#a-d He would say I am deeply mislead. But I would like to understand him too because I am certain he has a share of the truth too. But this is what I am thinking of doing with Dr. Roz's advice.

I would do Boenninghausen type repping by finding themes that go throughout the case both on a physical and mental/emotional level. Then I would group those. This is the basic direction of Herscu's cycles and segments, but there is more to it. There are temporal and causal links between theme going in a cycle. By grouping I mean I would statistically count several rubrics as one rubric. I would do this in any computer program. Eventually I am going to find the chronic remedy from this case this way. But I need to do something much more sloppy and daring before that just to cut down the meds.

I have a case with a paucity of symptoms. My case is drugged so he does not give me the information that I need for any other type of repping. He will not give me strange rare and peculiars. Sensations and modalities all have too many remedies in each rubric. For these cases, I use Facial Analysis and Ardavan Shahrdar's repertorium Virosum (RV). A rep that goes back to viral causes of miasms. I don't even have enough for the RV. I do have a face, but it is covered by a beard. It will be shaved so I have that.

But Dr. Roz is saying something much more simple. Use the big rubrics. Look for big symptoms. Probably I would dose low. I am not sure. Then go to the MM and look for the herbal descriptions. They are more generalized than what we want to do a classical chronic case. That's why I am thinking, do it as if it were an acute. Don't be as picky as I am with a normal chronical case. Look at indications such as tissue affinities. If I have 2 tissues affinities and some general symptom, go for it if it fits the case. Look at George Vithoukas's essences etc. Of course compare in the MM.

Boenninghausen required I think 3 or 4 symptoms to create a generality. The same modality/sensations needs to be occuring in several parts of the body. Then the sum total of a generality is larger than those three rubrics, he said. Herscu is saying if you have the theme (not rubric) occuring in many places, like Boenninghausen you can combine rubrics that pertain to that theme. Our computerized databases and do this combining easier than in Boenninghausen's day. So the idea of theme works. It is pretty flexible too. That is, different prescribers can use slightly different themes with the same case and still get similar rubrics. Look at http://www.wholehealthnow.com/courses/f ... s.html#e-h and listen to the Herscu's lecture on repetorizing. All of those lectures there would be helpful. It would take more than those lectures to get practically up and running, but you can get the idea. The RV inventor Aradavan Shadhar, Facial Analysis (Bentely) and Herscu are not homeopaths who have anything thing to do with each other. Their assumption are very different, but they are all basing their repping strategy on Boenninghausen.
You can start understanding this and playing with it before you worry about which books or computer programs. That is not the crux of the problem. It is the justifyication for combining rubrics where my mind goes.

Best,
Ellen

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

What I have come to realise, finally, is that there is a continuum between the herbal and the homeopathic applications of the plant remedies, for a simple reason: the clinical action of herbal tinctures IS a homeopathic action when the selection is correct....well we know that, don't we, we just keep forgetting it....we know that anything that really works does so because of homeopathicity even at a gross level, look at the use of Ritalin to control the symptoms of ADHD: if that is not homeopathy with inversion of action, then nothing is.

In herbalism, as everywhere, there are many schools, but grossly it can be divided into those who follow tradition and the modern ones who follow phytopharmacology, and then the few lunatics like myself who use both aspects. If you can read Matthew Wood, a modern herbalist that has incorporated ancient medicine, like Greek, Jewish, Arabic, TCM, Ayurveda and Western herbalism with the clinical indications found in the homeopathic texts, you will read a materia medica that sounds extremely familiar to a homeopath.

Then you have the technique of Homeobotanical Medicine created by Dr. Brian Murray, that does exactly the same: a combined MM, a diluted extract with combinations and drop doses.

With the provings, we have extended and deepened the indications and uses for plants, and made toxic herbs available, that are not used in herbalism as they are real poisons (aconite, belladonna, nux vomica....). Look for example at our liver herbs: chelidonium, silybum, cynara, taraxacum: their MM is identical whether you read a herbal or a homeopathic one, BUT in homeopathy we have added modalities, concomitants, generalities other than the target organ, mentals, etc,.....

A remedy/substance is homeopathic through its similarity as has been repeatedly discussed; its potentisation leads to a different realm of indications, with different potencies needed for different aspects.
But when it comes to the old physical uses as transmitted by tradition and confirmed by phytopharmacology, a tincture or a low dilution is a perfectly good remedy.
And I have demonstrated in my practice and written about that in "Dynamic Gemmotherapy" that the extract of the buds of the 51 gemmotherapic remedies carry all the indications and uses described by all the traditions and practices.

Does this answer your question?
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com

[Carol Orr]

Dr. Roz...which book by Matthew Wood would you recommend if you could only buy
one? I can't believe he wrote so many books or that he wrote books at all. I
met him years and years ago. He owned a local store with another person.. of
books and herbs and homeopathics and bach flower remedies, etc...which still
exists today..but he left to grow herbs. He was one strange man. I was in
there in the early seventies in line with two other people. He was talking to
someone on the phone and it didn't sound like a customer. We all stood there
for 5 minutes. At that time it was only one room so we could all hear his
conversation and he was oblivious to us. Eventually, the man in front of me
said, "this is ridiculous", and he left the store. We waited another two
minutes for him to get off the phone. He set the tone for the store and even
today when you go in that store...(called Present Moment)...everyone knows
that you might wait a long time for service.

[Bob Needham]

Aaaaha The wonders of the English language. Now that you put it this way, I can see clearly now. I have no defence to explain why that didn't register the first time through. Somehow I was picking up a some unknown concept - anyway thank you for the brain jolt. I have an appointment next week to have my synapse gaps re-gapped to the correct distance ; > )
Appreciate your thoughts and info Ellen. I guess you could say, in ways I incorporate both of your approaches. I liken our work to progressing along a path of healing. With new patients I generally take an approach more along what Joe does with bigger general symptoms supported by the modalities so as to metaphorically say, remove the larger boulders off the healing path. Then as I get to know the patient better and they divulge more information and we see what comes to the surface after our initial treatments, I start to refine my approach looking for unusual etc symptoms to clear away of the smaller obstacles on their path to health.
Appreciate your comments
Best in Health
bob

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

I very much liked "The Practice of Traditional Western Herbalism"; of course he cross-references with his other books, some of them I did not yet read...

Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com

[Leilanae]

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD." wrote:

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Hi Dr Roz,

There is a 100+ page preview of this book -

http://books.google.com/books?id=T_GAWA ... &q&f=false

Atb,

Leilanae

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[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

That would be almost half of the book!
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com

[Elham Mohajer]

If he is ready to get rid of his pain medicine for a month then there should not be much of a problem as the symptoms come prescribe and improvement should set it. Although the symptoms you describe seem to point to lumbar canal stenosis which is difficult to handle.

Best regards
Elham

[Sue Startup]

Dr Roz, i couldn't agree more!

Sue Startup
sue.startup@bigpond.com

“Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, to cure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom they know nothing.” Voltaire (1694-1778)

[Sue]

Dr Jo
Would you endorse that if somebody is unable to take a material dose or tincture of a herb (eg milkthistle, crataegus etc) because of a contraindication, interaction with a prescription drug, or an intolerance of some kind, it would be safe to take it in a low homeopathic potency of say 3X instead?
Thanks.
Sue
www.nottinghamhomeopathy.com