[2] homosexuality and miasms

[healthinfo6]

Irene,
You're avoiding and deflecting the issue which you do at times when you can't support your own fantastical unproven conclusions
Our readership is not deaf, dumb nor blind.
The link, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23397798 to your reference
has nothing to do with homeopathy ONLY homosexuality.
I'm sorry if you don't like how genetics works - or how homeopathy works.

I know exactly how homeopathy works, every day I experience it,
and how it doesn't change one's genetic code nor has any study been done to show it does.
Now support YOUR claims that:
Can you provide some studies, published research, etc. on homeopathy affecting epigenetics?

Tell us how you would do that, if you could.
Take a cat, make it wild using homeopathy and make a video of the process as proof.
Then, revert the cat back, ALL through homeopathy.

Susan

[healthinfo6]

A society that allows for everyone to be who they feel most comfortable being is not very common

Very true.
While people flock to the USA for opportunity and freedom, many to avoid oppression, some risking their lives to do so, once here, they then have to experience the insecurities of those native here who also have the freedom to express their xenophobic and homophobic feelings sometimes violently and illegally. .
Just last night, a gay couple was surrounded and beaten by straight young sports fans at Madison Square Garden in NYC.
http://gothamist.com/2013/05/07/knicks_ ... g_up_g.php
There are gay Japanese, are they as open and publically demonstrative as many are here in the USA?
Does one see openly gay activity tolerated along with anti-gay violence in Tokyo?
Susan

[szokia]

While I really liked Tanya's brief and to the point first answer and was going to drop the subject on just that, I am finding that with all these communications flying about on the subject, I do prefer to offer my view as well. So this is what I wrote yesterday, before I read Tanya's post - be warned, it is looong:

I'm not sure if I am reading any of this right, so just for the record: if any of you is insinuating that homosexuality is a disease or an aberration, or unnatural in any way, I urge you to consider that just because a person or a group of people don't conform to an accepted "norm" as dictated by certain sectors of society, that does not give you, them, or anyone else the right to classify homosexuals (or bisexuals, or the autistic, and the list goes on...) as aberrant or ill or "unnatural". We like to assume that such people are "unwell" or aberrant, or whatever other delightful label you may be prone to sticking on the situation, but the truth is that we, as humans, only feel safe in homogenous societies. The more we can classify everyone under one umbrella, the more secure we feel. Because anything else, anything that does not feel "familiar" feels like a threat.

People are insecure, tiny, insignificant beings in the grand, grand scheme of things, yet they grapple with these huge egos and the need to display what they proclaim as "knowledge". If their "knowledge" were real knowledge, then it wouldn't vary so consistently across races and continents, with every divergent faction insisting they are in possession of the Holy Grail. We also wouldn't be living lives based on theories. Because that is all we know for sure - our theories. From the most exalted doctors and scientists, to the lowliest, most "insignificant" of us human beings - we all operate on theories. Those theories can be called scientific, or religious, or whatever. They are all theories. Nothing is "known" for sure, except that we are all here flailing around, trying to fill our lives with "important" things to say and do. And for what purpose? Why do we do all this bloated running about making big pronouncements and stirring up drama and trouble everywhere? Because deep down inside we know that we all have one massive thing in common: We will all eventually die. And that scares the crap out of us. Why? Because nobody knows what that means. We all only know what we see on this side of Death. The horror and pain of watching someone leave this plane, the suffering involved in their winding down and the loss, the regrets, the fear. We have no clue at all, whatsoever, as to what happens after we leave this body. Is there even such a thing as a "we" that leaves this body? What happens after we die? Nobody knows. Period. You can pacify yourselves all day long with your religious beliefs, or your "glimpses" into the afterlife as evidenced by people who DID die and came back to tell about it. Fact is, if they came back to tell about it - They. Did. Not. Die. Period. Yes but, yes but - what about all those wonderful visions? Walking towards the light? Seeing my body laid out below and everyone around it crying and mourning my passing? I heard every word they said. It's all documented. I heard the spirits telling me it's not my time yet. And it was all beautiful and I feel like a totally different person since then. How do you explain all that??? Those events can just as easily be vivid hallucinations caused by electrical or other energy shifts that person was going through at the time, with all that trauma that was causing his so-called "death". It could be other things that we can't even begin to fathom at our present level of evolution and understanding. Who knows? Don't get me wrong... I am not saying it can't be true. I am saying We. Don't. Know.

And so we, all these scared, ego-inflated, insignificant little people who cling so desperately to the rafts of our ever-so-flimsy beliefs, we are always driven to band together into destructive little groups who will support our own limited and limiting beliefs and make us feel like we have something "real" and "safe" to talk about, to believe in. And we will defend these beliefs with all our might and make judgments and pronouncements and war on those who do not concur with us, because they give us hairy glimpses into things we don't understand and they make us feel, at the core of our essence, how very scared and lost we really are.

Yes, we all have to operate from some base of beliefs in order to get on in this world. But it would not hurt us at all to remember that what we are operating from are just that: beliefs. And beliefs are flimsy, ephemeral things that serve us only as well as we choose them. I would ask you to examine those beliefs and strive to redirect them into areas of love, compassion and at least tolerance, if you can't see your way to getting to the point of understanding. We are none of us in a position to cast judgments on others. We have no answers, no matter how urgently we like to pretend we do. The safety we seek will not be found in pointing fingers and passing judgments on people and things we know nothing of. If it were, then the most judgmental and elitist among us would be the happiest. But they are not. They are the angriest.

So my final point is that perhaps we should all think deeply and honestly about what we do or do not "know" as "true" about our world before going around and pointing fingers at people and passing judgments on their state of "health" or being. Who are we to say if they are well or not? And why would we want to pull a line in the sand that separated "them" from "us". What if they are all a part of us? What if we are all part of one another? And even if we aren't, isn't it very destructive both to them and ourselves to cast ourselves as judge and jury over things we really know nothing about?

And that includes potentially offensive remarks about DNA or heredity. It does not seem either cool or kind to talk about our fellow human beings as if they were science experiments. Who are any of us to say what are or are not "aberrations against nature"? How much do we know of the workings of Nature to allow ourselves the weight of such a statement? Perhaps everything is just as it should be, as far as Nature is concerned. Cause and effect. Perhaps we use our resources to tweak our environment to suit our comfort zones. We inject our own little variations of "causes" to gain certain desired effects. In essence, that would mean that "science", "medicine" and yes, even homeopathy, are nothing more than a more "wholistic" variation of plastic surgery. Just techniques and resources we have learned to use and apply to try to make ourselves feel "better" about whatever aspect of our lives or physique we are uncomfortable about and/or wish to change. I think we're fortunate to have these options, especially those of us who actually know how to use them to some extent, but that does not give us license to force our choices on others.

[Irene de Villiers]

Nor anyone else's here that I saw.
Your imagining that anyone was actually doing this, and therefore your getting het up about it (with no evidence that anyone did what you accuse) was what seemed over the top to me.

Good time to drop it? It didn't happen.

Namaste,
Irene

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[Irene de Villiers]

I have not made any conclusions. I have merely reported what the research shows.
Anything that you have concluded after that is your own "fantastical unproven idea" and not mine.

That is true. However, the more we look at homeopathy results, the more they are shown to affect epigenes.
Two and two makes four not five.

Hahnemann showed that influences during a lifetime, caused such change in individuals as to change the inherited characteristics passed to their offspring.
Are you suggesting that is independent of genetics?

Epigenetics is HOW that is done, which science did not know till recently.

Directly no.
Indirectly it is clear.
Science has proved the involvement of epigene markers in the development of cancer, and I have personally worked on cancer cases. They come right by homeopathy, and according to science (not homeopathy), that means the epigene WERE changed to permit healing from cancer.

The same applies to all the other diseases that science now shows are controlled by epigene switches, and which ONLY homeopathy has been shown to cure.

SO the evidence is all over the place - just not in so many words or in a single study.
I do not know of a homeopath or veterinary homeopath who has submitted a cured case to a geneticist to PROVE that the epigene switches are changed after treatment.
But it is logical that if the epigene switches were there - they WOULD be directing the disease process.
ANd after homeopathic treatment, there is no such activity.
HOW do yo feel the epigene switches for the disease stopped causing it, if yo do not think homeopathy achieved it and that homeopathic treatment was just some kind of coincidence to the healing?

Namaste,
Irene
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[healthinfo6]

From my own personal observations....
If homosexuality is genetically inherited, then we would see families with more homosexuals among them, like we see other inherited conditions, like diabetes, cancer, depression, bipolar, etc. that "run" in families.
We don't see that, what we do see are many cases of gay twins. I know two sets of them.
This more suggests that something happens in utero that affects the fetus. I've read research about the mother being stressed or similar causing certain hormones to be over released, maybe too much coritisol, estrogen, etc. This supposedly bathes the fetus in too much of one hormone, maybe over another that may result in homosexuality.
Additionally, the gay twins have siblings that aren't gay also suggesting it was a during pregnancy event that affected their sexual orientation vs. a genetically inherited trait.
Susan

[Irene de Villiers]

We do.
It is well documented ............according to research.

....Irene

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[Irene de Villiers]

I do not buy anything ti have not checked out properly myself.
There is no research that shows that vaccination works.
Point me to some if you can:-)

Namaste,
Irene

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[yerewan]

that wasn't my point.
you probably missed the pun
will