remedy degredation question

[Tanya Marquette]

What temperatures will degrade the remedies.
Specifically, I left a remedy solution outdoors in the garden. The day was cool and overcast
and I forgot it. The next day was sunny about 70 degrees F. Am wondering if that was hot enough
to degrade the remedy? I need it now but have no more of the remedy till my new order comes.
t

[Sheri Nakken]

Well, room temperature would be that or higher.
Sheri

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[Ginny Wilken]

On the other hand, the temperature inside a brown glass bottle of small capacity left in the sun would be far higher. I suppose you might try a dose and see if it still works:)

ginny

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[Sheri Nakken]

Oh, I just read the cook and overcast and 70, but you are right Ginny
Sheri

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[Tanya Marquette]

it was not in a brown glass bottle. this is for the garden and is in a plastic garden sprayer contrainer
which is opaque white.
I was concerned about the direct sun on this container all day
I can try it, but its effects will not be noticeable till the plants are mature and then it will be too late
to treat
t
From: Sheri Nakken
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 5:40 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] remedy degredation question

Oh, I just read the cook and overcast and 70, but you are right Ginny
Sheri

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Next classes start April 18, 19, 25

[Lynn Cremona]

from Washington Homeopathics
Caring For Remedies
http://www.hmedicine.com/homeopathy/inf ... medies.php
Part of the "Become Informed" Series, by WHP
Homeopaths are taught that remedies should not have long exposure to sunlight because of the possibility that they will be ruined. They are told to store remedies out of direct sunlight. Amber bottles are often used to reduce exposure to light.
About 10 years ago, bottle companies stopped making square amber bottles and Mr. Furr (previous owner for 40 yrs.) switched to square clear bottles. His experience was that clear, or amber didn't make much, if any, difference -- I haven't conducted laboratory studies, but I know that remedies still work that are in my first kit (Luyties 20 yrs. ago), and my second kit (Borneman's - 18 yrs. ago), and they are in clear bottles. I also don't recall any experiential reports that remedies in clear bottles don't work.
Having said this, I realize none-the-less that the word is out, and some people are uncomfortable with clear bottles. To accommodate those with this concern, we are converting to amber bottles for our single remedies.
The vast majority of people using combination remedies have not been taught clear Vs amber, and many say they like clear bottles. Since the company's experience is that amber/clear makes little, or no, difference combinations have remained in the clear bottles.
For the combinations we have also begun switching to a real hard, clear plastic. It is the same plastic bottled water comes in, it doesn't breakdown like the old plastics did. This is an economy move -- The bottles cost less to purchase and less to ship. Other homeopathic companies have used plastic for years without negative effect.
Plastic or glass, amber or clear, keeping remedies away from long term exposure to direct sun seems logical since so little is known about what makes homeopathic medicines work.
Remedies should not be stored where it is damp, i.e., the refrigerator being the worst place. Moisture will melt the pills into a glob so you can't get them out of the bottle. Where water has gotten into the bottle, it is certainly possible that whatever was "living" in the water is now living on the remedy - not good.
There is only one other situation where I recommend tossing the remedy out, and that is when it has been exposed to high heat. We clean our equipment at 190 degrees. I would certainly toss out any remedy that has been exposed to heat in that range. I would say 150 degrees or higher would be terminal.
I would like to hear from readers who have used remedies exposed to heat. I have had my personal kit in temperatures well over 100 degrees (closed in car on a hot day), and they weren't affected.
There are other rumors about proper care of remedies - don't send them through airport security devices, don't put them near a microwave, refrigerator, electric blanket, cell phone, and other places where ambient energies are flying around. Again, since we don't know much about the energy of homeopathic medicines, take precautions, but I don't see throwing the remedies out simply because they were exposed to any of these energies. After all, there are energies coming out of everywhere, and it's simply impractical to keep tossing out remedies when there is little or no proof that they are affected by such energy.
I take all the precautions, but "exposures" happen, and I don't throw the remedies out, and they still work. If your remedies are exposed to these energies for a long period, make note of it and if they do not work, order a replacement - If the replacement works - Then toss out the old remedy(s).
Touching the remedies -- The habit to get into is pouring the remedies into the cap, and from there into the mouth. With this habit, you won't pour your remedy into a dirty hand and then throw all of it into your mouth. If you must touch a remedy in order to put it into a child's or pet's mouth, clean your hands. It is not about killing the remedy, it's about good sanitary habits. Also, if you do pour too many remedies into the cap, you can pour some back, but if you pour them into your hand, take what you need (if your hand is clean), but don't put the rest back in the bottle -- It's not worth it. Contaminating all the remedies to save a penny's worth of pills is poor economy.

________________________________
--
Imagine Peace
http://www.homeopathicsolutions.blogspot.com/

[Tanya Marquette]

Thanks Lynn. Interesting but still not definitive. Perhaps I need to flip a coin. Exposed to sunlight but not high heat.
No info on the sunlight in this article to hang your hat on.
Will keep this post in the files for reference.
t
From: Lynn Cremona
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:31 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] remedy degredation question
from Washington Homeopathics
Caring For Remedies
http://www.hmedicine.com/homeopathy/inf ... medies.php

Part of the "Become Informed" Series, by WHP

Homeopaths are taught that remedies should not have long exposure to sunlight because of the possibility that they will be ruined. They are told to store remedies out of direct sunlight. Amber bottles are often used to reduce exposure to light.

About 10 years ago, bottle companies stopped making square amber bottles and Mr. Furr (previous owner for 40 yrs.) switched to square clear bottles. His experience was that clear, or amber didn't make much, if any, difference -- I haven't conducted laboratory studies, but I know that remedies still work that are in my first kit (Luyties 20 yrs. ago), and my second kit (Borneman's - 18 yrs. ago), and they are in clear bottles. I also don't recall any experiential reports that remedies in clear bottles don't work.

Having said this, I realize none-the-less that the word is out, and some people are uncomfortable with clear bottles. To accommodate those with this concern, we are converting to amber bottles for our single remedies.

The vast majority of people using combination remedies have not been taught clear Vs amber, and many say they like clear bottles. Since the company's experience is that amber/clear makes little, or no, difference combinations have remained in the clear bottles.

For the combinations we have also begun switching to a real hard, clear plastic. It is the same plastic bottled water comes in, it doesn't breakdown like the old plastics did. This is an economy move -- The bottles cost less to purchase and less to ship. Other homeopathic companies have used plastic for years without negative effect.

Plastic or glass, amber or clear, keeping remedies away from long term exposure to direct sun seems logical since so little is known about what makes homeopathic medicines work.

Remedies should not be stored where it is damp, i.e., the refrigerator being the worst place. Moisture will melt the pills into a glob so you can't get them out of the bottle. Where water has gotten into the bottle, it is certainly possible that whatever was "living" in the water is now living on the remedy - not good.

There is only one other situation where I recommend tossing the remedy out, and that is when it has been exposed to high heat. We clean our equipment at 190 degrees. I would certainly toss out any remedy that has been exposed to heat in that range. I would say 150 degrees or higher would be terminal.

I would like to hear from readers who have used remedies exposed to heat. I have had my personal kit in temperatures well over 100 degrees (closed in car on a hot day), and they weren't affected.

There are other rumors about proper care of remedies - don't send them through airport security devices, don't put them near a microwave, refrigerator, electric blanket, cell phone, and other places where ambient energies are flying around. Again, since we don't know much about the energy of homeopathic medicines, take precautions, but I don't see throwing the remedies out simply because they were exposed to any of these energies. After all, there are energies coming out of everywhere, and it's simply impractical to keep tossing out remedies when there is little or no proof that they are affected by such energy.

I take all the precautions, but "exposures" happen, and I don't throw the remedies out, and they still work. If your remedies are exposed to these energies for a long period, make note of it and if they do not work, order a replacement - If the replacement works - Then toss out the old remedy(s).

Touching the remedies -- The habit to get into is pouring the remedies into the cap, and from there into the mouth. With this habit, you won't pour your remedy into a dirty hand and then throw all of it into your mouth. If you must touch a remedy in order to put it into a child's or pet's mouth, clean your hands. It is not about killing the remedy, it's about good sanitary habits. Also, if you do pour too many remedies into the cap, you can pour some back, but if you pour them into your hand, take what you need (if your hand is clean), but don't put the rest back in the bottle -- It's not worth it. Contaminating all the remedies to save a penny's worth of pills is poor economy.
________________________________
--
Imagine Peace
http://www.homeopathicsolutions.blogspot.com/

[LabelGMOFlorida]

I would suspect it effected the remedy if the remedy changed physically. Meaning it had the sweaty beads of liquid around the the top of the bottle. If you know what I mean. If I saw no sweating or other signs of a physical change I would feel safe it was not degraded
Vicki
Www.labelgmoflorida.com
Www.glutenfreeyummies.com
tamarque wrote:
Thanks Lynn. Interesting but still not definitive. Perhaps I need to flip a coin. Exposed to sunlight but not high heat.
No info on the sunlight in this article to hang your hat on.
Will keep this post in the files for reference.
t
From: Lynn Cremona
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:31 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] remedy degredation question
from Washington Homeopathics
Caring For Remedies
http://www.hmedicine.com/homeopathy/inf ... medies.php

Part of the "Become Informed" Series, by WHP

Homeopaths are taught that remedies should not have long exposure to sunlight because of the possibility that they will be ruined. They are told to store remedies out of direct sunlight. Amber bottles are often used to reduce exposure to light.

About 10 years ago, bottle companies stopped making square amber bottles and Mr. Furr (previous owner for 40 yrs.) switched to square clear bottles. His experience was that clear, or amber didn't make much, if any, difference -- I haven't conducted laboratory studies, but I know that remedies still work that are in my first kit (Luyties 20 yrs. ago), and my second kit (Borneman's - 18 yrs. ago), and they are in clear bottles. I also don't recall any experiential reports that remedies in clear bottles don't work.

Having said this, I realize none-the-less that the word is out, and some people are uncomfortable with clear bottles. To accommodate those with this concern, we are converting to amber bottles for our single remedies.

The vast majority of people using combination remedies have not been taught clear Vs amber, and many say they like clear bottles. Since the company's experience is that amber/clear makes little, or no, difference combinations have remained in the clear bottles.

For the combinations we have also begun switching to a real hard, clear plastic. It is the same plastic bottled water comes in, it doesn't breakdown like the old plastics did. This is an economy move -- The bottles cost less to purchase and less to ship. Other homeopathic companies have used plastic for years without negative effect.

Plastic or glass, amber or clear, keeping remedies away from long term exposure to direct sun seems logical since so little is known about what makes homeopathic medicines work.

Remedies should not be stored where it is damp, i.e., the refrigerator being the worst place. Moisture will melt the pills into a glob so you can't get them out of the bottle. Where water has gotten into the bottle, it is certainly possible that whatever was "living" in the water is now living on the remedy - not good.

There is only one other situation where I recommend tossing the remedy out, and that is when it has been exposed to high heat. We clean our equipment at 190 degrees. I would certainly toss out any remedy that has been exposed to heat in that range. I would say 150 degrees or higher would be terminal.

I would like to hear from readers who have used remedies exposed to heat. I have had my personal kit in temperatures well over 100 degrees (closed in car on a hot day), and they weren't affected.

There are other rumors about proper care of remedies - don't send them through airport security devices, don't put them near a microwave, refrigerator, electric blanket, cell phone, and other places where ambient energies are flying around. Again, since we don't know much about the energy of homeopathic medicines, take precautions, but I don't see throwing the remedies out simply because they were exposed to any of these energies. After all, there are energies coming out of everywhere, and it's simply impractical to keep tossing out remedies when there is little or no proof that they are affected by such energy.

I take all the precautions, but "exposures" happen, and I don't throw the remedies out, and they still work. If your remedies are exposed to these energies for a long period, make note of it and if they do not work, order a replacement - If the replacement works - Then toss out the old remedy(s).

Touching the remedies -- The habit to get into is pouring the remedies into the cap, and from there into the mouth. With this habit, you won't pour your remedy into a dirty hand and then throw all of it into your mouth. If you must touch a remedy in order to put it into a child's or pet's mouth, clean your hands. It is not about killing the remedy, it's about good sanitary habits. Also, if you do pour too many remedies into the cap, you can pour some back, but if you pour them into your hand, take what you need (if your hand is clean), but don't put the rest back in the bottle -- It's not worth it. Contaminating all the remedies to save a penny's worth of pills is poor economy.
________________________________
--
Imagine Peace
http://www.homeopathicsolutions.blogspot.com/

[Tanya Marquette]

Ah. I will check in the morning, but doubt I can tell now as the container has been brought in and any sweating would have
dissipated by now. But good to know for any future faux pas’s. I almost wish it was mid-summer when the conditions would
have been more extreme and definitive. Oh, well, life is a challenge.
t
From: LabelGMOFlorida
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:06 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] remedy degredation question

I would suspect it effected the remedy if the remedy changed physically. Meaning it had the sweaty beads of liquid around the the top of the bottle. If you know what I mean. If I saw no sweating or other signs of a physical change I would feel safe it was not degraded
Vicki
Www.labelgmoflorida.com
Www.glutenfreeyummies.com
tamarque wrote:
Thanks Lynn. Interesting but still not definitive. Perhaps I need to flip a coin. Exposed to sunlight but not high heat.
No info on the sunlight in this article to hang your hat on.
Will keep this post in the files for reference.
t
From: Lynn Cremona
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:31 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] remedy degredation question
from Washington Homeopathics
Caring For Remedies
http://www.hmedicine.com/homeopathy/inf ... medies.php

Part of the "Become Informed" Series, by WHP

Homeopaths are taught that remedies should not have long exposure to sunlight because of the possibility that they will be ruined. They are told to store remedies out of direct sunlight. Amber bottles are often used to reduce exposure to light.

About 10 years ago, bottle companies stopped making square amber bottles and Mr. Furr (previous owner for 40 yrs.) switched to square clear bottles. His experience was that clear, or amber didn't make much, if any, difference -- I haven't conducted laboratory studies, but I know that remedies still work that are in my first kit (Luyties 20 yrs. ago), and my second kit (Borneman's - 18 yrs. ago), and they are in clear bottles. I also don't recall any experiential reports that remedies in clear bottles don't work.

Having said this, I realize none-the-less that the word is out, and some people are uncomfortable with clear bottles. To accommodate those with this concern, we are converting to amber bottles for our single remedies.

The vast majority of people using combination remedies have not been taught clear Vs amber, and many say they like clear bottles. Since the company's experience is that amber/clear makes little, or no, difference combinations have remained in the clear bottles.

For the combinations we have also begun switching to a real hard, clear plastic. It is the same plastic bottled water comes in, it doesn't breakdown like the old plastics did. This is an economy move -- The bottles cost less to purchase and less to ship. Other homeopathic companies have used plastic for years without negative effect.

Plastic or glass, amber or clear, keeping remedies away from long term exposure to direct sun seems logical since so little is known about what makes homeopathic medicines work.

Remedies should not be stored where it is damp, i.e., the refrigerator being the worst place. Moisture will melt the pills into a glob so you can't get them out of the bottle. Where water has gotten into the bottle, it is certainly possible that whatever was "living" in the water is now living on the remedy - not good.

There is only one other situation where I recommend tossing the remedy out, and that is when it has been exposed to high heat. We clean our equipment at 190 degrees. I would certainly toss out any remedy that has been exposed to heat in that range. I would say 150 degrees or higher would be terminal.

I would like to hear from readers who have used remedies exposed to heat. I have had my personal kit in temperatures well over 100 degrees (closed in car on a hot day), and they weren't affected.

There are other rumors about proper care of remedies - don't send them through airport security devices, don't put them near a microwave, refrigerator, electric blanket, cell phone, and other places where ambient energies are flying around. Again, since we don't know much about the energy of homeopathic medicines, take precautions, but I don't see throwing the remedies out simply because they were exposed to any of these energies. After all, there are energies coming out of everywhere, and it's simply impractical to keep tossing out remedies when there is little or no proof that they are affected by such energy.

I take all the precautions, but "exposures" happen, and I don't throw the remedies out, and they still work. If your remedies are exposed to these energies for a long period, make note of it and if they do not work, order a replacement - If the replacement works - Then toss out the old remedy(s).

Touching the remedies -- The habit to get into is pouring the remedies into the cap, and from there into the mouth. With this habit, you won't pour your remedy into a dirty hand and then throw all of it into your mouth. If you must touch a remedy in order to put it into a child's or pet's mouth, clean your hands. It is not about killing the remedy, it's about good sanitary habits. Also, if you do pour too many remedies into the cap, you can pour some back, but if you pour them into your hand, take what you need (if your hand is clean), but don't put the rest back in the bottle -- It's not worth it. Contaminating all the remedies to save a penny's worth of pills is poor economy.
________________________________
--
Imagine Peace
http://www.homeopathicsolutions.blogspot.com/

[vtyekkir]

Hi,

There are only two possibilities - either it works or won't,
but i am sure it will do no harm if you use it till its
replacement arrives. Even then, I suggest continuing using
this on a small portion of the plants and keep them as control
to know the effect of temparature/ sun light on our remedies
and that way we can all learn at your cost though (:;

V T Yekkirala

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