Knee injury - meniscus

[miri_livingoody]

Does anyone have experience with treating a meniscus that has moved out of it's place? A case of a knee injury that feels with a lot of pressure in a horizontal way; diagnosis of a problem with the meniscus causing much pain in the morning which turns into pressure in the knee later in the day. Remedies used include: Coloc, Rhus Tox, Ruta, Bellis, pulsatila (was given for inflammation that existed before in the knee) and even Ledum which comes up under knee injury. But so far - not a lot of healing. Any ideas? Greatly appreciated.

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

What is the "problem"?

From personal painful experience, if there is a tear, surgery is the only real answer. Menisci are not vascularised and do not repair spontaneously; they are submitted all the time to different forces, from straight pressure to lateral and spiral shearing, that keep aggravating the tear and would in any case prevent scarring unless completely immobilised for a long time.
Once removed, a layer of fibrous tissue forms that does the same shock absorbing job that the original meniscus.
My right knee just approved that post
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com

[Irene de Villiers]

Only by surgery

Irene

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From: miri_livingoody
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Subject: [Minutus] Knee injury - meniscus
Does anyone have experience with treating a meniscus that has moved out of it's place? A case of a knee injury that feels with a lot of pressure in a horizontal way; diagnosis of a problem with the meniscus causing much pain in the morning which turns into pressure in the knee later in the day. Remedies used include: Coloc, Rhus Tox, Ruta, Bellis, pulsatila (was given for inflammation that existed before in the knee) and even Ledum which comes up under knee injury. But so far - not a lot of healing. Any ideas? Greatly appreciated.

[Tanya Marquette]

actually I once gave ledum to a dog with that type of damage and it helped a lot.
I hate to say it but for me, on my body, low level laser is the only thing that has helped
strengthen to ligaments and tendons which have lost their tone resulting in bones slipping
out of place (very big ouch). after several years of painful limping, with no help from
homeopathy, a dentist introduced me to low level laser which worked.
t
From: miri_livingoody
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 9:32 PM
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Subject: [Minutus] Knee injury - meniscus

Does anyone have experience with treating a meniscus that has moved out of it's place? A case of a knee injury that feels with a lot of pressure in a horizontal way; diagnosis of a problem with the meniscus causing much pain in the morning which turns into pressure in the knee later in the day. Remedies used include: Coloc, Rhus Tox, Ruta, Bellis, pulsatila (was given for inflammation that existed before in the knee) and even Ledum which comes up under knee injury. But so far - not a lot of healing. Any ideas? Greatly appreciated.

[vtyekkir]

Hi,

Following is extracted from (EH); book by THOMAS E.," Homeopathy for
Sports, Exercise and Dance",

The sum and substance of it all is surgery is inevitable.

V T Yekkirala

"Torn Meniscus
The most common meniscus tear is in the medial meniscus, and is usually
the result of twisting force on the weight-bearing leg that causes a
femoral condyle to shear the fibrocartilage of the meniscus. It may be
associated with a tear of the collateral ligament. In footballers and
dancers there can also be cruciate ligament damage. These are shocking
and devastating injuries to a professional that can destroy a career.
There is typically a locking of the knee due to the presence of loose
material getting trapped between joint surfaces. The knee is commonly
locked in a flexed position. The onset is sudden, and pain is deep
within the knee. The patient may describe a feeling of 'giving way'.
Effusion may be extensive and haemarthrosis may result if there is
ligament damage. This can give rise to serious muscle atrophy.
Immediate basic first aid and referral for medical attention are
essential.
Arnica
This remedy will limit the effusion and haemarthrosis, and the
subsequent swelling. It will reduce the pain, prevent shock and limit
the subsequent atrophy.
Dosage: One tablet of Arnica, any potency, immediately and three times
daily for three days after injury. For bruising, swelling and pain use
Ruta, Bryonia, Ledum and Bellis according to the symptoms outlined
above.
The following remedies may also help:
Guaiacum
The knee remains flexed and there is tearing pain when attempting
extension. The least movement of the leg will be very painful, and there
is a reluctance to move. Heat and touch makes it worse. Worse when
sitting, and in the morning. Look out for yawning and stretching, some
obstinacy and fixed ideas.
Dosage: One Guaiacum 30c.
Lycopodium
Locked knee that has tearing pain preventing extension. The person
describes the knee as giving way suddenly. It is relieved by heat, and
he is not so reluctant to move. He feels better generally from heat but
dislikes a warm room. Pressure hurts. Wakes feeling bad, and may be
angry about the injury. This remedy is useful, especially for injuries
to the right knee.
Dosage: One Lycopodium 30c.
Torn Cruciate Ligament
The anterior cruciate ligament may be injured in sport and dance. The
performer has usually participated in running, jumping or skiing and has
stopped suddenly and fallen with a twisting movement. He may have
attempted a 'cutting' tackle in football. The combination of abduction
and rotation is similar to that which causes meniscus and medial
ligament damage, and the three injuries often form what is known as the
'unhappy triad'.
Swelling is often immediate as the result of haemarthrosis. Within
twenty-four hours a minor tear of the cruciate ligament can produce a
tense swelling. Arnica in any potency, given immediately and followed by
several doses, will help to keep the swelling and effusion to the
minimum and reduce shock and swelling.
Homoeopathic treatment for all three of the 'unhappy triad' should be
according to the manifested symptoms. Please refer to the previous
sections on collateral ligaments and meniscus for details of the most
commonly recommended remedies. Give Ruta, Rhus Tox. and Bryonia as
necessary, plus Symphytum to help the tendons, ligaments and cartilage
to repair. There are two remedies that are almost specific to the
unusual symptoms of this condition:
Calcarea Fluorica
This remedy can promote the recovery of damaged fibrous tissue.
Dosage: Take one Calc. Fluor. 6x three times daily for as long as
necessary, but for not more than a month.
Phosphorus
If during recovery there is a feeling of looseness in the knee so that
it feels as if it would dislocate, burning pain or soreness in a small
spot, extreme stiffness and weakness, all of which are worse from
exertion, this remedy will help. The knee will be much worse if he lies
on it, and from cold, and the pain will come on after he has been at
work. This person is very sensitive, anxious, and seeks sympathy.
Dosage: One Phosphorus 30c.
CASE 20
This patient is an older woman who is very fit. She runs,
weight-trains, and practises Tai Chi. During one stretching session she
decided to increase the flexibility of her knees and sat back on her
heels forcefully for two sets of two minutes each. She experienced some
stiffness in her right knee on standing.
The following day she had some pain in the medial posterior aspect of
the right knee that was noticeable on rising from a seat. She felt her
knee give way when she dismounted from her bicycle. In her next Tai Chi
session certain twisting movements gave her pain and she felt again that
the knee would give way. She described the pain as being like a splinter
inside her knee.
It was a minor condition. She thought it did not merit a sports
medicine consultation. She mentioned it to me during a homoeopathic
consultation for another matter.
I suspected a strain of the posterior cruciate ligament due to the
unusual forced flexion of the knee, and prescribed Ruta for the acute
condition. She telephoned soon after to report that there was little
change.
Comment
I looked at her case again. As she was a long-standing patient I
already knew a lot about Janet; that she disliked milk and dairy
products, and cold air, that she took up Tai Chi later in life because
it gave her exercise without jarring and that she enjoyed the smooth,
gliding nature of the exercise. She belonged to a type of person who
seems driven to work and exercise as if afraid that once they stop they
will give up altogether. I decided to prescribe Nitric Acid 200c three
times daily for two days or until the pain eased. This was one of the
remedies under consideration for her constitutionally.
After one day of Nitric Acid 200c she reported that the pain had gone,
and she later went on to improve in other aspects of her health.
The only matching knee symptom for Nitric Acid in this patient's
condition was a splinter-like pain in the hollow of the knee, but the
remedy cured her acute condition. Janet's case is a good example of a
remedy prescribed according to mental and general symptoms. It is not
normally associated with weakness and giving way on standing and after
exercise, or with pain in the hollow of the knee. Successful
homoeopathic prescribing takes patience, a knowledge of the remedies, an
ability to observe and listen to the patient and an open mind.
Before Surgery to the Knee
The patient should take one Arnica 30c before the operation. If he is
very apprehensive about the operation, has great anxiety about it and is
even very frightened, one Aconite 200c or 1M will help to calm the
nerves.
After Surgery to the Knee
Arnica
Dosage: One 30c tablet as soon as possible after surgery.
Bryonia
If the patient is reluctant to move, and to ease the first movements
after surgery. This should be given routinely postoperatively for
surgery to the knee.
Dosage: One Bryonia 30c.
Ruta Graveolens
To help healing of the ligament.
Dosage: One Ruta 30c, three times daily for two weeks.
Staphysagria
This remedy has a reputation for healing cuts from sharp instruments
and for healing lacerated fibrous tissue. The knee feels beaten and
painful.
Dosage: One Staphysagria 30c, three times following the operation.
If swelling returns some time after the operation, Rhus Tox., Calc.
Carb., Chelidonium, Pulsatilla or other remedies as indicated by the
symptoms may be necessary. For details see the section above on
recurring swelling."
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "miri_livingoody" wrote:
out of it's place? A case of a knee injury that feels with a lot of
pressure in a horizontal way; diagnosis of a problem with the meniscus
causing much pain in the morning which turns into pressure in the knee
later in the day. Remedies used include: Coloc, Rhus Tox, Ruta, Bellis,
pulsatila (was given for inflammation that existed before in the knee)
and even Ledum which comes up under knee injury. But so far - not a lot
of healing. Any ideas? Greatly appreciated.