On this newslist I so frequently see local treatments for so many conditions, such as dental problems for example. As we all know Hahnemann warns over and over against local treatments because they cause suppression. He only recommends light palliation where necessary.
I recently realized what I think is good evidence of the problematic nature of local treatments. Over the last couple years I have taken several 10 day residential Vipassana meditation courses (www.dhamma.org) where I lived isolated from outside influences. On many of these courses I would get dental abscesses during or shortly thereafter. One of which caused me to eventually lose a tooth.
Until recently I didnt make the correlation. I have bleeding gums and with so few distractions I was brushing my teeth compulsively, 3 times per day and continued to do so after the course ended for a time. This would cause the bleeding in the gums to reduce or be eliminated. BUT since that was a local treatment the problem moved more to the interior and I developed abscesses, is my guess. After I stopped brushing so compulsively the bleeding would resume and the abscess would resolve.
Now this is nothing that I could prove but with Hahnemann warning so vociferously against local treatments, I think it is worth considering.
I wouldn't advocate not brushing frequently but one has to pursue interior (ie homeopathic) treatment, to really effect a cure and not just suppress the problem leading to long term more serious problems. And one has to consider what type of topical/local treatment one is using - how medicinal it is (e.g. essential oils, drugs, herbs, etc.) Even allopathic docs have even found correlation between dental inflammations and heart disease.
Lets spend more time discussing homeopathy on this list and less time discussing local treatments, what say you?
Roger
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Roger Barr
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Hi, Roger
Nice to hear from you! (We took Paul's three-year course together.) Amen to what you're saying. Let's spend more time discussing homeopathy, period.
Peace,
Dale
Nice to hear from you! (We took Paul's three-year course together.) Amen to what you're saying. Let's spend more time discussing homeopathy, period.
Peace,
Dale
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Tanya Marquette
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Re: Local treatments
It is true that even with acutes, the problem may stem from something constitutional.
However, Dental pain usually requires some immediate acute as the pain can be so controlling in our lives.
I relate to the bleeding gums as I struggle with this—and for many years.
Nutrition is as, or more important than topical brushing. Vit C and Mag have an almost immediate
effect. Eating dark greens also has an immediate impact as within 1 day.
There are some people who think and claim we can rebuild our teeth with proper nutrition. This
implies to me that homeopathy could also strengthen the tooth and its supporting structures.
t
From: DALE MOSS
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:58 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
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Hi, Roger
Nice to hear from you! (We took Paul's three-year course together.) Amen to what you're saying. Let's spend more time discussing homeopathy, period.
Peace,
Dale
However, Dental pain usually requires some immediate acute as the pain can be so controlling in our lives.
I relate to the bleeding gums as I struggle with this—and for many years.
Nutrition is as, or more important than topical brushing. Vit C and Mag have an almost immediate
effect. Eating dark greens also has an immediate impact as within 1 day.
There are some people who think and claim we can rebuild our teeth with proper nutrition. This
implies to me that homeopathy could also strengthen the tooth and its supporting structures.
t
From: DALE MOSS
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:58 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Local treatments
Hi, Roger
Nice to hear from you! (We took Paul's three-year course together.) Amen to what you're saying. Let's spend more time discussing homeopathy, period.
Peace,
Dale
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Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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Re: Local treatments
So why do wee need and use local, topical, symptomatic or pathological treatments?
Try to remember the last time you suffered from one of those "ailments"....how nicely and almost completely obscure and distort anything else was...how you could not really focus on any other question or concern but the actual suffering; and as practitioners we have all met those patients; they need relief before going deeper and I feel it is our duty to provide it in a safe and fast as well as effective manner.
That is only when dealing with situations like pain and discomfort, wherever they are located.
It is even more important when dealing with more serious situations like heart failure, respiratory distress and other conditions where any mistake can mean a death sentence. Many colleagues have said and will still say "well send them to the emergency room".........sorry, that is a professional cop-out when the patient is not acute and has walked in with symptoms but not (yet?) needing an ambulance. Any health professional, no matter what his/her technique is, should be able and willing to deal with those cases as long as they are not life-threatening and in need of an intensive hospital setting.
Stabilise the patient first, deal with the presenting situation, then go deeper.
Read the case histories of the masters, look how big the pathological rubrics are in Kent's repertories and tell me we should not take care of pneumonia, angina pectoris, liver insufficiency, etc,.....
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com
Try to remember the last time you suffered from one of those "ailments"....how nicely and almost completely obscure and distort anything else was...how you could not really focus on any other question or concern but the actual suffering; and as practitioners we have all met those patients; they need relief before going deeper and I feel it is our duty to provide it in a safe and fast as well as effective manner.
That is only when dealing with situations like pain and discomfort, wherever they are located.
It is even more important when dealing with more serious situations like heart failure, respiratory distress and other conditions where any mistake can mean a death sentence. Many colleagues have said and will still say "well send them to the emergency room".........sorry, that is a professional cop-out when the patient is not acute and has walked in with symptoms but not (yet?) needing an ambulance. Any health professional, no matter what his/her technique is, should be able and willing to deal with those cases as long as they are not life-threatening and in need of an intensive hospital setting.
Stabilise the patient first, deal with the presenting situation, then go deeper.
Read the case histories of the masters, look how big the pathological rubrics are in Kent's repertories and tell me we should not take care of pneumonia, angina pectoris, liver insufficiency, etc,.....
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com
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Roger Barr
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Re: Local treatments
Who said anything about not treating these things? Urgent, emergency (ie. severe acutes) can all be treated homeopathically. And if that fails one can find many allopathic, herbal, TCM, whatever treatments elsewhere. Lets discuss homeopathy here.
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Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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Re: Local treatments
Who said we should NOT treat those urgent cases with homeopathy? Maybe my sentence was poorly constructed in English grammar, but my point is that the masters DID treat all those situations WITH homeopathy....but when you read their cases, the way they treated was to focus on the actual, acute, clinical situation (diarrhea, pneumonia, sore throat, etc,....) without involving more general issues, M/E, miasms, etc,....
And that is the whole focus of local, topical, symptomatic or pathological treatment.
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com
And that is the whole focus of local, topical, symptomatic or pathological treatment.
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com
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Tanya Marquette
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Re: Local treatments
I have come across quite a number of practitoners who don’t/won’t treat acutes.
It is not that homeopathy cannot treat them, but they present a level of pressure
that people won’t take on. That is different than the question of whether homeopathy
should/could treat acutes.
t
From: Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 8:19 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Local treatments
Who said we should NOT treat those urgent cases with homeopathy? Maybe my sentence was poorly constructed in English grammar, but my point is that the masters DID treat all those situations WITH homeopathy....but when you read their cases, the way they treated was to focus on the actual, acute, clinical situation (diarrhea, pneumonia, sore throat, etc,....) without involving more general issues, M/E, miasms, etc,....
And that is the whole focus of local, topical, symptomatic or pathological treatment.
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com
It is not that homeopathy cannot treat them, but they present a level of pressure
that people won’t take on. That is different than the question of whether homeopathy
should/could treat acutes.
t
From: Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 8:19 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Local treatments
Who said we should NOT treat those urgent cases with homeopathy? Maybe my sentence was poorly constructed in English grammar, but my point is that the masters DID treat all those situations WITH homeopathy....but when you read their cases, the way they treated was to focus on the actual, acute, clinical situation (diarrhea, pneumonia, sore throat, etc,....) without involving more general issues, M/E, miasms, etc,....
And that is the whole focus of local, topical, symptomatic or pathological treatment.
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com
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Gisela Ahrendt
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Re: Local treatments
Good morning
I love acutes - I am very successful with them - but I think you have to be a little brave to be able to do it and have a great memory
Gisela Di Carlo,Di.Vet Hom
Come to the edge and I teach you to fly!
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: tamarque@earthlink.net
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 05:32:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Local treatments
I have come across quite a number of practitoners who don’t/won’t treat acutes.
It is not that homeopathy cannot treat them, but they present a level of pressure
that people won’t take on. That is different than the question of whether homeopathy
should/could treat acutes.
t
From: Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 8:19 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Local treatments
Who said we should NOT treat those urgent cases with homeopathy? Maybe my sentence was poorly constructed in English grammar, but my point is that the masters DID treat all those situations WITH homeopathy....but when you read their cases, the way they treated was to focus on the actual, acute, clinical situation (diarrhea, pneumonia, sore throat, etc,....) without involving more general issues, M/E, miasms, etc,....
And that is the whole focus of local, topical, symptomatic or pathological treatment.
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com
I love acutes - I am very successful with them - but I think you have to be a little brave to be able to do it and have a great memory
Gisela Di Carlo,Di.Vet Hom
Come to the edge and I teach you to fly!
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: tamarque@earthlink.net
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 05:32:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Local treatments
I have come across quite a number of practitoners who don’t/won’t treat acutes.
It is not that homeopathy cannot treat them, but they present a level of pressure
that people won’t take on. That is different than the question of whether homeopathy
should/could treat acutes.
t
From: Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 8:19 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Local treatments
Who said we should NOT treat those urgent cases with homeopathy? Maybe my sentence was poorly constructed in English grammar, but my point is that the masters DID treat all those situations WITH homeopathy....but when you read their cases, the way they treated was to focus on the actual, acute, clinical situation (diarrhea, pneumonia, sore throat, etc,....) without involving more general issues, M/E, miasms, etc,....
And that is the whole focus of local, topical, symptomatic or pathological treatment.
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com
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Roger Barr
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Re: Local treatments
Its the totality of the _disease_ (mental, physical & emotional) symptoms that are considered for proper acute (and chronic) homeopathic treatment. You wouldnt _necessarily_ consider the miasm, birth trauma, color preferences, hand gestures or other irrelevant cr*p when doing an acute! And yet it would not necessarily be considered local treatment. Local treatment is defined by whether as a result of the treatment new symptoms develop (e.g. side-effects) as opposed to a return of old symptoms (ie. curative response).
Roger
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Roger
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