Vitamin C, sodium ascorbate, more.

[Carol Orr]

Now I am seriously confused. I have calcium ascorbate powdered form with
bioflavanoids(ester-c). I have on order at the shop the ascorbic form. The
ascorbate one that I have does not say sodium ascorbate and the company only
said that if there is less than 5 mgs of salt they don't list it...so he
didn't really know. Perhaps it is inherently sodium ascorbate just because of
the name. So until I pick up the ascorbic form...if I notice any swelling of
my mother's feet or dents in her body....i'll stop it. By the way I gave my
mother a half dose of the milk of magnesia(2 tbp) and lots of water but still
had to take it out by hand...but it at least there was something to take out.
Going to try another half dose today. Thanks for all the suggestions.

[Sheri Nakken]

if it is sodium ascorbate it will say sodium ascorbate and only brand
I have found in US that is NON GMO is from Vitamin C Foundation
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org (although I have heard of others
but haven't had time to investigate)

Sheri

At 10:30 AM 1/23/2013, you wrote:

[Irene de Villiers]

Dear Carol,

It is possible chemically, to link a number of minerals with the ascorbate ion. They are sometimes referred to collectively as "mineral ascorbates".
Sodium ascorbate links with the sodium ion (Na+, atomic weight 23), while
calcium ascorbate links with the calcium ion. (Ca+, atomic weight 40).

By contrast, Ascorbic acid links the ascorbate with two H+ atoms (combined atomic weight 2)

The one you have with calcium, will add extra calcium not extra sodium, but it is a very heavy molecule - and that limits what it can do chemically to help (as explained in one of Sheri's references by Dr Cathcart)

The ascorbic acid linked to H+ is an acid, H+ is not a mineral.
The reactivity options of an acid are very different - the more reactions a molecule is capable of, the more things it can achieve, very readily. As a supplier of ascorbate, all forms will work, but for extra duties such as detoxification or ease of entry into mitochondria and other useful things for sick folk, ascorbic acid will be your best friend.
The mineral ascorbates are however very cheap to make....
an FDA rule.
Yours has calcium added, not sodium.

You'll likely need higher and/or repeated doses - it is antacid (alkaline) so it can upset protein digestion - hence I use only to get things going then change to magnesium chloride (which has been shown to be the best form of magnesium in chronic illness).

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Sheri Nakken]

I encourage all to read what I sent, methodically, without the
confusion that Irene has introduced
Sheri

At 06:12 PM 1/23/2013, you wrote:

[Irene de Villiers]

My experience, results, and science background used to obtain it and understand it, are in no way confused - nor are the directly quote words of Dr Cathcart on why ascorbic acid is superior - in YOUR quotation.

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Sheri Nakken]

and again it is words confounding things....................
from Cathcart himself (in the previous quote he was talking about by mouth)

http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/docc.shtml
Ascorbic Acid Orally - Not for IV
Dear Vitamin C Foundation

I have found that vitamin C in the ascorbic acid form is the best form to take orally. I have been able to achieve what I call the ascorbate effect with only ascorbic acid by mouth. Mineral ascorbates by mouth, while being a fine source of vitamin C, do not seem to carry the same punch, probably more electrons.

However, Klenner and I have used sodium ascorbate intravenously and when used rarely intramuscularly. This is confused by the fact that even Klenner referred to the intravenous solutions as ascorbic acid. However, I had talked with him before his death and also talked with his wife and nurse, Annie Klenner, and they said it was the sodium ascorbate powder that he simply mixed in water that he used. See http://www.orthomed.com/civprep.htm

All this is further confused by the fact that the commonly available form used by many orthomolecular physicians is from Merit Pharmaceuticals and it is labeled ascorbic acid. It is, however, made as prescribed in the U.S. Pharmacopoeia made from ascorbic acid and then buffered to a pH of 5 or 6 (I have to check for that exact pH specified) with sodium hydroxide or sodium bicarbonate. This, in effect, is actually mainly sodium ascorbate. It cannot be pure ascorbic acid because that would be a pH of 3.5 and that would be far too acid. The problem here is that everyone keeps talking about ascorbic acid intravenously when they really should be using sodium ascorbate or at least highly buffered ascorbic acid.

All this is bound to be causing mistakes. Last week I was consulting with three doctors at the Mayo Clinic that are allowing an old patient of mine I had seen years ago, die of pneumonia rather than give her sodium ascorbate. She was in the habit of taking 30 grams of ascorbic acid by mouth per day. I had cured her of transverse myelitis years ago to the astonishment of the transverse myelitis experts and the University of California Medical Center in San Francisco with several weeks of sodium ascorbate intravenously. They, of course, did nothing to follow up on this cure with further investigations. Anyway, the Mayo Clinic doctors were giving the usual nonsense arguments about not using C like that it would cause metabolic acidosis. I pointed out how ridiculous this was to worry about metabolic acidosis when you were giving an alkali solution. But they kept talking about ascorbic acid.

There is in the literature a story about a black man who was given intravenous ascorbic acid for a small burn who died of subsequent kidney failure. Here again we have the ascorbic acid story. In some foreign countries, they are beginning to pick up on this intravenous vitamin C for cancer. I want to make sure they use either sodium ascorbate or highly buffered ascorbic acid. There are bound to be mistakes if we keep talking about ascorbic acid intravenously without qualification.

So please modify all the references to ascorbic acid intravenously to preferably sodium ascorbate or at least highly buffered ascorbic acid. Also it is important that it not have preservatives.

Thanks.

Dr. Robert Cathcart, III, MD
Sheri