My mother has impacted stool. She started pooping less about six weeks ago,
right after I started giving her beans in a soup..something new to her diet. I
only yesterday made that connection. Now I'm going to do the magnesium
citrate and glycerin suppository. I'm wondering if anyone can offer up other
suggestions as in herbal teas or tissue salts or anything. I had recently
given her lyc 6c for excessive mucus in her throat...and it was gone the next
day....but then I gave her that damn soup again and it started up again. The
mucus also started around the same time as her bowels lessened and the giving
of the bean soup....I had been giving her a bowl every day. I will appreciate
any help on this issue. Thank you.
need suggestions for impacted stool
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Maria Bohle
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Re: need suggestions for impacted stool
You are introducing a food your mother is not used to eating. From your letter, I get the impression your mom is older? I would consider introducing a new food much more slowly with elderly and/or ill people and much more gently to allow the body the ability to adjust to the new diet. Depending on her age, state of health, and genetic history she may or may not ever be able to digest beans. A person's bowel bacteria will adjust to the foods they eat, it will take a healthy person a bit of time to allow the bacteria to mutate to accommodate their food supply.
Best to get her back on her usual diet and slowly introduce a new food. I usually suggest a new food be eaten in minimal amount the first time, then work up to a full portion, but do not repeat that same food for 3 days or more. This allows the body the ability to get used to the food. If there is an allergy to the foods this regime will alsol help you catch that before it calls problems.
hope this helps you,
Maria
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From: "Carol Orr"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 4:09:17 PM
Subject: [Minutus] need suggestions for impacted stool
My mother has impacted stool. She started pooping less about six weeks ago,
right after I started giving her beans in a soup..something new to her diet. I
only yesterday made that connection. Now I'm going to do the magnesium
citrate and glycerin suppository. I'm wondering if anyone can offer up other
suggestions as in herbal teas or tissue salts or anything. I had recently
given her lyc 6c for excessive mucus in her throat...and it was gone the next
day....but then I gave her that damn soup again and it started up again. The
mucus also started around the same time as her bowels lessened and the giving
of the bean soup....I had been giving her a bowl every day. I will appreciate
any help on this issue. Thank you.
Best to get her back on her usual diet and slowly introduce a new food. I usually suggest a new food be eaten in minimal amount the first time, then work up to a full portion, but do not repeat that same food for 3 days or more. This allows the body the ability to get used to the food. If there is an allergy to the foods this regime will alsol help you catch that before it calls problems.
hope this helps you,
Maria
________________________________
From: "Carol Orr"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 4:09:17 PM
Subject: [Minutus] need suggestions for impacted stool
My mother has impacted stool. She started pooping less about six weeks ago,
right after I started giving her beans in a soup..something new to her diet. I
only yesterday made that connection. Now I'm going to do the magnesium
citrate and glycerin suppository. I'm wondering if anyone can offer up other
suggestions as in herbal teas or tissue salts or anything. I had recently
given her lyc 6c for excessive mucus in her throat...and it was gone the next
day....but then I gave her that damn soup again and it started up again. The
mucus also started around the same time as her bowels lessened and the giving
of the bean soup....I had been giving her a bowl every day. I will appreciate
any help on this issue. Thank you.
Re: need suggestions for impacted stool
Have you tried any magnesium salt baths or transdermal oil? I prefer Magnesium Chloride as it is more readily available and can help with the constipation as it has a laxative effect
Lora
Lora
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Sheri Nakken
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Re: need suggestions for impacted stool
Hi - not homeopathy but Sodium Ascorbate form of Vitamin C can help a lot - give enough until start having loose stools and that will be bowel tolerance level. Can help with the constipation and also provide Vitamin C, which she is deficient in, probably
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org great NON-GMO brand
Best to do this with Sodium Ascorbate form of Vitamin C (the form all the research has been done with)
MAINTENANCE DOSES
FOR AN ADULT probably 3,000-5,000 mg per day (divided in 2 or 3 doses as needs to be spread out thru the day) - so
that would be 1,000 - 1500 mg three times a day or so) - start with that and work up, till a little loose stools and back off a bit.
Good luck
Sheri
________________________________
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org great NON-GMO brand
Best to do this with Sodium Ascorbate form of Vitamin C (the form all the research has been done with)
MAINTENANCE DOSES
FOR AN ADULT probably 3,000-5,000 mg per day (divided in 2 or 3 doses as needs to be spread out thru the day) - so
that would be 1,000 - 1500 mg three times a day or so) - start with that and work up, till a little loose stools and back off a bit.
Good luck
Sheri
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: need suggestions for impacted stool
In the National library of medicine there are over 43000 studies on Ascorbic acid - which has been used safely as a proven medicine since early 20th century at least, and there are a lot less than 600 studies that make even scant reference to sodium ascorbate, which was developed to use in skin products. (It's easy to get sunburn with ascorbic acid in skin products).
Ascorbic acid has the benefit of being an acid - which enables REDOX reactions to detoxify almost any water soluble toxin in the system. Sodium ascorbate on the other hand, has the DISadvantage of having extra sodium which may especially affect someone with health issues or high blood pressure, if taken in the excessive daily amounts needed to induce an overdose response of loose stools.
The 5000 sodium ascorbate would contain 655 mg of sodium.
I'm a believer in getting to the cause of the problem, which is more likely a deficiency of magnesium, as that is what's needed for peristalsis to be effective, and without which a compacted stool can be expected. It's why Milk of Magnesia is effective as a laxative. Once compaction is severe then Milk of Magnesium will likely be the fastest "fix", after which I'd suggest using Magnesium chloride supplements to maintain proper magnesium levels.
As to eating legumes, not all blood types do well on those, and they do clog people with some blood types. I'd stick to proteins that are easy to digest like meat, fish and egg.
New foods also take time to learn how to digest, and for a sensitive individual, a 1/4 teaspoon a day for first week, and and a 1/4 teasp more each week, is one way to introduce something new - and of course stop if the body has adverse responses.
Maria, gut bacteria do not mutate to adapt to food - it's more that different types of bacteria outcompete the others for a specific food substrate that they can use more efficiently than other bacteria.
However in this situation a diet change was attempted which would affect short chain fatty acids produced by gut bacteria - probably a change away from a meat-based protein to a legume-based protein - and that changes the bacteria metabolism from high-butyrate producing to lower-butyrate producing with more acetate and propionate.
The main short chain fatty acids (SCFAs) which bacteria make to keep the body healthy - are butyrate, propionate and acetate. Meat-based diet produces the best/highest butyrate. Each short chain fatty acid has specific jobs to support specific organs, and butyrate supports colonocytes, and enterocytes of the gut and the immune system function in the gut area (which is about 80% of it).
Humans can use glucose or glutamine instead of butyrate (as would happen with beans instead of meat) ....but butyrate is 4 to 5 times as efficient.
Other diets allow propionate and acetate short chain fatty acids to be made mainly (which help liver and other body areas) - but with less or no butyrate. It's the lack of meat/fish/egg in the diet (animal protein) to result in sufficient butyrate production, that forces the inefficient use of the alternative chemical pathway for gut health. There will be more consequences to this than mere constipation.
In my opinion therefore, getting the body to adapt to using inefficient SCFAs is not necessarily a good or healthy idea, especially later in life.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Ascorbic acid has the benefit of being an acid - which enables REDOX reactions to detoxify almost any water soluble toxin in the system. Sodium ascorbate on the other hand, has the DISadvantage of having extra sodium which may especially affect someone with health issues or high blood pressure, if taken in the excessive daily amounts needed to induce an overdose response of loose stools.
The 5000 sodium ascorbate would contain 655 mg of sodium.
I'm a believer in getting to the cause of the problem, which is more likely a deficiency of magnesium, as that is what's needed for peristalsis to be effective, and without which a compacted stool can be expected. It's why Milk of Magnesia is effective as a laxative. Once compaction is severe then Milk of Magnesium will likely be the fastest "fix", after which I'd suggest using Magnesium chloride supplements to maintain proper magnesium levels.
As to eating legumes, not all blood types do well on those, and they do clog people with some blood types. I'd stick to proteins that are easy to digest like meat, fish and egg.
New foods also take time to learn how to digest, and for a sensitive individual, a 1/4 teaspoon a day for first week, and and a 1/4 teasp more each week, is one way to introduce something new - and of course stop if the body has adverse responses.
Maria, gut bacteria do not mutate to adapt to food - it's more that different types of bacteria outcompete the others for a specific food substrate that they can use more efficiently than other bacteria.
However in this situation a diet change was attempted which would affect short chain fatty acids produced by gut bacteria - probably a change away from a meat-based protein to a legume-based protein - and that changes the bacteria metabolism from high-butyrate producing to lower-butyrate producing with more acetate and propionate.
The main short chain fatty acids (SCFAs) which bacteria make to keep the body healthy - are butyrate, propionate and acetate. Meat-based diet produces the best/highest butyrate. Each short chain fatty acid has specific jobs to support specific organs, and butyrate supports colonocytes, and enterocytes of the gut and the immune system function in the gut area (which is about 80% of it).
Humans can use glucose or glutamine instead of butyrate (as would happen with beans instead of meat) ....but butyrate is 4 to 5 times as efficient.
Other diets allow propionate and acetate short chain fatty acids to be made mainly (which help liver and other body areas) - but with less or no butyrate. It's the lack of meat/fish/egg in the diet (animal protein) to result in sufficient butyrate production, that forces the inefficient use of the alternative chemical pathway for gut health. There will be more consequences to this than mere constipation.
In my opinion therefore, getting the body to adapt to using inefficient SCFAs is not necessarily a good or healthy idea, especially later in life.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Sheri Nakken
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Re: need suggestions for impacted stool
Sodium ascorbate is the only form (buffered) that can be given IV and in high doses orally and sodium in sodium ascorbate is not sodium chloride
seems like a lot of chemistry talk here lately.
I follow the work of Archie Kalokerinos, Hilary Butler, Robert Cathcart, Klenner and others who use Sodium Ascorbat
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/docc.shtml often ascorbic acid is referred to but most times it is buffered and actually sodium ascorbate
http://www.orthomed.com/civprep.htm
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/sa.shtml Recent research indicates that only highly refined sodium chloride (table salt) may be the real problem for heart patients.
http://injectablevitaminc.com/images/Ch26.pdf
Dr.Klenner points out that sodium ascorbate is better utilised than other forms of ascorbate and his 30 years of practical experience, backed by laboratory investigations have shown the sodium contained in sodium ascorbate is handled differently to that in salt. As an example he was giving 10,000 mg of sodium ascorbate I. V. daily for 6 months to a patient with a malignancy. The laboratory who were monitoring the biochemical blood tests advised Klenner that the patient was low on sodium and that he should be
instructed to eat plenty of salt!
http://www.pr.com/press-release/310279
Spring, TX, April 03, 2011 --(PR.com )-- Sodium ascorbate is a form of vitamin C that has been bound to the mineral salt sodium. Sodium Ascorbate is used for intravenous infusions, intramuscular injections, and is used orally to avoid the acidity of ascorbic acid by sensitive persons. As vitamin C, the basic properties and health benefits of sodium ascorbate are virtually identical with ascorbic acid, but the mineral salt buffers, thus lowers the acidity of ascorbic acid. The buffered sodium ascorbate may enter the blood stream more slowly than ascorbic acid when taken orally.
The sodium content of sodium ascorbate (113 mg per gram of C) may be of concern to those with hypertension or water retention problems. Interestingly, sodium ascorbate is used in intravenous drips where dozens of grams/day of sodium injected directly into the blood stream doesn't seem to be a problem. Recent research indicates that only highly refined sodium chloride (table salt) may be the real problem for heart patients
Sheri
At 03:02 PM 1/21/2013, you wrote:
seems like a lot of chemistry talk here lately.
I follow the work of Archie Kalokerinos, Hilary Butler, Robert Cathcart, Klenner and others who use Sodium Ascorbat
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/docc.shtml often ascorbic acid is referred to but most times it is buffered and actually sodium ascorbate
http://www.orthomed.com/civprep.htm
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/sa.shtml Recent research indicates that only highly refined sodium chloride (table salt) may be the real problem for heart patients.
http://injectablevitaminc.com/images/Ch26.pdf
Dr.Klenner points out that sodium ascorbate is better utilised than other forms of ascorbate and his 30 years of practical experience, backed by laboratory investigations have shown the sodium contained in sodium ascorbate is handled differently to that in salt. As an example he was giving 10,000 mg of sodium ascorbate I. V. daily for 6 months to a patient with a malignancy. The laboratory who were monitoring the biochemical blood tests advised Klenner that the patient was low on sodium and that he should be
instructed to eat plenty of salt!
http://www.pr.com/press-release/310279
Spring, TX, April 03, 2011 --(PR.com )-- Sodium ascorbate is a form of vitamin C that has been bound to the mineral salt sodium. Sodium Ascorbate is used for intravenous infusions, intramuscular injections, and is used orally to avoid the acidity of ascorbic acid by sensitive persons. As vitamin C, the basic properties and health benefits of sodium ascorbate are virtually identical with ascorbic acid, but the mineral salt buffers, thus lowers the acidity of ascorbic acid. The buffered sodium ascorbate may enter the blood stream more slowly than ascorbic acid when taken orally.
The sodium content of sodium ascorbate (113 mg per gram of C) may be of concern to those with hypertension or water retention problems. Interestingly, sodium ascorbate is used in intravenous drips where dozens of grams/day of sodium injected directly into the blood stream doesn't seem to be a problem. Recent research indicates that only highly refined sodium chloride (table salt) may be the real problem for heart patients
Sheri
At 03:02 PM 1/21/2013, you wrote:
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domenicstanghini
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Re: need suggestions for impacted stool
Hi Carol
Investigate extra magnesium ascorbate to bowel tolerance, or salads with olive oil, or investigating if any other medicine is having a side effect and "drying her out", or if drinking too much coffee or alcohol (diuretics etc). there are several tissue salts indicated but best you gather the Sx and ask your mom the particulars and then you can easily figure it out....but take a look at Nat mur tissue salt, also having a regular bowel time, whether you go or not, walking and other exercise, prunes,Senna herbal tea, pysillium seed, bran, drinking lots of water, etc...the list is endless, you could also see if there is a mental component to this and see if she is "keeping things in" and not letting go... etc.
Much natural stuff to help your mom.
Good Luck and Best wishes Domenic
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Orr" wrote:
Investigate extra magnesium ascorbate to bowel tolerance, or salads with olive oil, or investigating if any other medicine is having a side effect and "drying her out", or if drinking too much coffee or alcohol (diuretics etc). there are several tissue salts indicated but best you gather the Sx and ask your mom the particulars and then you can easily figure it out....but take a look at Nat mur tissue salt, also having a regular bowel time, whether you go or not, walking and other exercise, prunes,Senna herbal tea, pysillium seed, bran, drinking lots of water, etc...the list is endless, you could also see if there is a mental component to this and see if she is "keeping things in" and not letting go... etc.
Much natural stuff to help your mom.
Good Luck and Best wishes Domenic
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Orr" wrote:
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: need suggestions for impacted stool
On the contrary Sheri - Ascorbic acid is also given IV and has been for much longer (since 1935 for syphilis for example; and herpes, whooping cough and shingles from 1936 per scientific studies).
See the paper:
P R Health Sci J. 2003 Sep;22(3):287-90.
"Intravenous ascorbic acid: protocol for its application and use."
Linus Pauling Institute at Oregon State University also argues that there is little scientific evidence that sodium ascorbate absorbs into the body more easily than other forms of vitamin C.
Pauling used ascorbic acid. In the 1970s work by Cameron and Pauling demonstrated an approximate 4-fold survival increase in terminal cancer patients administered Ascobric Acid by IV and oral routes, compared to historical controls.
IV Ascorbic Acid is used extensively by alternative medicine practitioners in the USA (11,233 patients treated in 2006 and 8876 patients in 2008 for example were documented.)
"Buffering" of a substance, just means that something is added to the fluid, to moderate the pH of the fluid. In the case of sodium ascorbate, sodium is the buffer used.
In the body, sodium ascorbate is dissociated into ascorbate and Sodium (Na+)
In the case of either ascorbic acid or sodium ascorbate IV, it is added to a fluid used for hydration and which already contains sodium and potassium (such as Ringers lactate etc). With sodium ascorbate you are adding MORE sodium.
Again that is ascorbic acid with the long record of use, popularized by Pauling.
Sodium is sodium - the body sees it as such - and anyone who says that "only highly refined sodium chloride (table salt) may be the real problem for heart patients" has no clue how the body works!
The sodium ion (Na+) is what affects blood pressure adversely.
Makes no difference if the Na+ is dissociated from Sodium Chloride or some other molecule such as sodium ascorbate - nor what other contaminants might be present.
It can be very useful to understand the chemistry of the body, and how things work.
It's especially useful in understanding pathology and that also leads to better selection of rubrics and other advantages to homeopaths.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
See the paper:
P R Health Sci J. 2003 Sep;22(3):287-90.
"Intravenous ascorbic acid: protocol for its application and use."
Linus Pauling Institute at Oregon State University also argues that there is little scientific evidence that sodium ascorbate absorbs into the body more easily than other forms of vitamin C.
Pauling used ascorbic acid. In the 1970s work by Cameron and Pauling demonstrated an approximate 4-fold survival increase in terminal cancer patients administered Ascobric Acid by IV and oral routes, compared to historical controls.
IV Ascorbic Acid is used extensively by alternative medicine practitioners in the USA (11,233 patients treated in 2006 and 8876 patients in 2008 for example were documented.)
"Buffering" of a substance, just means that something is added to the fluid, to moderate the pH of the fluid. In the case of sodium ascorbate, sodium is the buffer used.
In the body, sodium ascorbate is dissociated into ascorbate and Sodium (Na+)
In the case of either ascorbic acid or sodium ascorbate IV, it is added to a fluid used for hydration and which already contains sodium and potassium (such as Ringers lactate etc). With sodium ascorbate you are adding MORE sodium.
Again that is ascorbic acid with the long record of use, popularized by Pauling.
Sodium is sodium - the body sees it as such - and anyone who says that "only highly refined sodium chloride (table salt) may be the real problem for heart patients" has no clue how the body works!
The sodium ion (Na+) is what affects blood pressure adversely.
Makes no difference if the Na+ is dissociated from Sodium Chloride or some other molecule such as sodium ascorbate - nor what other contaminants might be present.
It can be very useful to understand the chemistry of the body, and how things work.
It's especially useful in understanding pathology and that also leads to better selection of rubrics and other advantages to homeopaths.
Namaste,
Irene
REPLY TO: only
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Tanya Marquette
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Re: need suggestions for impacted stool
Be aware that most socium ascorbate is made from GMO corn these days.
There are a few companies that make if from non-GMO product but you need
to call the company and ask directly. If they cannot answer you, I wouldn’t buy it.
tanya
From: Sheri Nakken
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 4:39 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] need suggestions for impacted stool
Hi - not homeopathy but Sodium Ascorbate form of Vitamin C can help a lot - give enough until start having loose stools and that will be bowel tolerance level. Can help with the constipation and also provide Vitamin C, which she is deficient in, probably
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org great NON-GMO brand
Best to do this with Sodium Ascorbate form of Vitamin C (the form all the research has been done with)
MAINTENANCE DOSES
FOR AN ADULT probably 3,000-5,000 mg per day (divided in 2 or 3 doses as needs to be spread out thru the day) - so
that would be 1,000 - 1500 mg three times a day or so) - start with that and work up, till a little loose stools and back off a bit.
Good luck
Sheri
________________________________
There are a few companies that make if from non-GMO product but you need
to call the company and ask directly. If they cannot answer you, I wouldn’t buy it.
tanya
From: Sheri Nakken
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 4:39 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] need suggestions for impacted stool
Hi - not homeopathy but Sodium Ascorbate form of Vitamin C can help a lot - give enough until start having loose stools and that will be bowel tolerance level. Can help with the constipation and also provide Vitamin C, which she is deficient in, probably
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org great NON-GMO brand
Best to do this with Sodium Ascorbate form of Vitamin C (the form all the research has been done with)
MAINTENANCE DOSES
FOR AN ADULT probably 3,000-5,000 mg per day (divided in 2 or 3 doses as needs to be spread out thru the day) - so
that would be 1,000 - 1500 mg three times a day or so) - start with that and work up, till a little loose stools and back off a bit.
Good luck
Sheri
________________________________
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Tanya Marquette
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- Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2001 11:00 pm
Re: need suggestions for impacted stool
Can also mention a good pro-biotic supplement as well as fermented foods in the diet.
The do work.
tanya
From: Sheri Nakken
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 6:51 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] need suggestions for impacted stool
Sodium ascorbate is the only form (buffered) that can be given IV and in high doses orally and sodium in sodium ascorbate is not sodium chloride
seems like a lot of chemistry talk here lately.
I follow the work of Archie Kalokerinos, Hilary Butler, Robert Cathcart, Klenner and others who use Sodium Ascorbat
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/docc.shtml often ascorbic acid is referred to but most times it is buffered and actually sodium ascorbate
http://www.orthomed.com/civprep.htm
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/sa.shtml Recent research indicates that only highly refined sodium chloride (table salt) may be the real problem for heart patients.
http://injectablevitaminc.com/images/Ch26.pdf
Dr.Klenner points out that sodium ascorbate is better utilised than other forms of ascorbate and his 30 years of practical experience, backed by laboratory investigations have shown the sodium contained in sodium ascorbate is handled differently to that in salt. As an example he was giving 10,000 mg of sodium ascorbate I. V. daily for 6 months to a patient with a malignancy. The laboratory who were monitoring the biochemical blood tests advised Klenner that the patient was low on sodium and that he should be
instructed to eat plenty of salt!
http://www.pr.com/press-release/310279
Spring, TX, April 03, 2011 --(PR.com )-- Sodium ascorbate is a form of vitamin C that has been bound to the mineral salt sodium. Sodium Ascorbate is used for intravenous infusions, intramuscular injections, and is used orally to avoid the acidity of ascorbic acid by sensitive persons. As vitamin C, the basic properties and health benefits of sodium ascorbate are virtually identical with ascorbic acid, but the mineral salt buffers, thus lowers the acidity of ascorbic acid. The buffered sodium ascorbate may enter the blood stream more slowly than ascorbic acid when taken orally.
The sodium content of sodium ascorbate (113 mg per gram of C) may be of concern to those with hypertension or water retention problems. Interestingly, sodium ascorbate is used in intravenous drips where dozens of grams/day of sodium injected directly into the blood stream doesn't seem to be a problem. Recent research indicates that only highly refined sodium chloride (table salt) may be the real problem for heart patients
Sheri
At 03:02 PM 1/21/2013, you wrote:
The do work.
tanya
From: Sheri Nakken
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 6:51 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] need suggestions for impacted stool
Sodium ascorbate is the only form (buffered) that can be given IV and in high doses orally and sodium in sodium ascorbate is not sodium chloride
seems like a lot of chemistry talk here lately.
I follow the work of Archie Kalokerinos, Hilary Butler, Robert Cathcart, Klenner and others who use Sodium Ascorbat
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/docc.shtml often ascorbic acid is referred to but most times it is buffered and actually sodium ascorbate
http://www.orthomed.com/civprep.htm
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/sa.shtml Recent research indicates that only highly refined sodium chloride (table salt) may be the real problem for heart patients.
http://injectablevitaminc.com/images/Ch26.pdf
Dr.Klenner points out that sodium ascorbate is better utilised than other forms of ascorbate and his 30 years of practical experience, backed by laboratory investigations have shown the sodium contained in sodium ascorbate is handled differently to that in salt. As an example he was giving 10,000 mg of sodium ascorbate I. V. daily for 6 months to a patient with a malignancy. The laboratory who were monitoring the biochemical blood tests advised Klenner that the patient was low on sodium and that he should be
instructed to eat plenty of salt!
http://www.pr.com/press-release/310279
Spring, TX, April 03, 2011 --(PR.com )-- Sodium ascorbate is a form of vitamin C that has been bound to the mineral salt sodium. Sodium Ascorbate is used for intravenous infusions, intramuscular injections, and is used orally to avoid the acidity of ascorbic acid by sensitive persons. As vitamin C, the basic properties and health benefits of sodium ascorbate are virtually identical with ascorbic acid, but the mineral salt buffers, thus lowers the acidity of ascorbic acid. The buffered sodium ascorbate may enter the blood stream more slowly than ascorbic acid when taken orally.
The sodium content of sodium ascorbate (113 mg per gram of C) may be of concern to those with hypertension or water retention problems. Interestingly, sodium ascorbate is used in intravenous drips where dozens of grams/day of sodium injected directly into the blood stream doesn't seem to be a problem. Recent research indicates that only highly refined sodium chloride (table salt) may be the real problem for heart patients
Sheri
At 03:02 PM 1/21/2013, you wrote: