But Joe, in this sort of situation, where the prescriber is (perhaps this description is unfair, but it does happen) sort of flailing to try to find a remedy that works, is there any reason not to simply carry forth with Fibonacci of the Next Best Guess?
I'm especially interested in your thoughts on this, because I am in exactly that situation with a family member.
Thanks,
Shannon
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My opinion to Jaimee's question is that the case needs to be retaken. The similimum will work. Something close may also help. For example Boenninghausen's Associations... but we shouldn't be trying a non -LM rx over and over again to see if it will work.
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the recent aggrevation was on repeating LM, dose was repeated because we know the dry dose 30c he responded well, trying to repeat until we see it's working. So far, none on LM1.
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Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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Re: fibonacci question dosing
I am very uncomfortable answering this question..................
From personal experience, I found out that when I use a "partial" remedy, one that has some of the indications but is not completely correct or there is no real answer, the situation often becomes clearer as the partial remedy has removed some common symptoms that might have "blocked the view"......
BUT, next best guess? when this situation happens, I do wipe off everything and start from the beginning, maybe trying to use another method, or starting my treatment with another, non-homeopathic (horror!!!) therapy to clarify the playing field.
Guessing is not part of any form of medicine.....
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com
From personal experience, I found out that when I use a "partial" remedy, one that has some of the indications but is not completely correct or there is no real answer, the situation often becomes clearer as the partial remedy has removed some common symptoms that might have "blocked the view"......
BUT, next best guess? when this situation happens, I do wipe off everything and start from the beginning, maybe trying to use another method, or starting my treatment with another, non-homeopathic (horror!!!) therapy to clarify the playing field.
Guessing is not part of any form of medicine.....
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: fibonacci question dosing
Shannon,
I have also had the odd case which defies me to find the best matched remedy. Usually the remedy found is doing some good but needs dilution cups or aggravates easily - as there is excessive sensitivity in the individual.
My rule is "some information is missing - try to find what that is".
But then I found it is individual as what to do next. Maybe a nutrient is absent, or a maintaining cause was missed and needs removal or an acute miasm is blocking or some prior illness is trying to emerge and needs to be handled next, or there is blockage due to a drug that was used which needs specific detoxing or I simply missed an odd feature that points me to the right remedy etc. Whatever is needed - or even if I just missed something critical in my repertorizing - when I get back to remedy selection, I start over with F series in the new remedy (low potency, not the potency reached with the prior discontinued remedy).
I also do that in very involved cases - for example in FIP, there is nearly always a serious prior illness hiding somewhere, which was suppressed. As soon as the FIP reaches a clearance point, one sees the cat seeming healthy, active, playing, etc - but within hours (overnight or faster) the prior disease emerges at full strength - often at a life threatening stage, and it needs its matched remedy immediately. That then is used starting over at low potency F series.
I do find that hormone drugs like steroids, are detoxed best starting at about 30C or 34C (lower aggravates)....and may need 55 or even 89C after that. All else I start low, like 5C or whatever is available.
I also find that steroid detox is best in frequent drop doses (eg one drop four times a day, or one drop every 2nd day in less poisoned or more sensitive cases - depends on individual case) than in normal doses (which for ac at is about ten drops on average- 1/2 ml).
I do not know how to explain why this drop dose seems so effective (Joe, any comment?) but it is consistently causing higher survival rate in FIP. (Steroids, till this drop-wise protocol, were death doses in FIP through 2011 - as steroids do to the body what FIP does to the body, only worse).
(Glucocorticoid) steroids block immune system recovery in chronic disease through a combination of thymus damage (a chemical thymectomy is caused by them), muscle deterioration, neutrophil excess and lymphocyte depletion - yet vets tend to toss steroids around like candy despite the immense damage they do, in the false belief that they are "anti-inflammatory". The thymus is needed for recovery from things like FIP, cancer, AIDS, and other chronic and immune compromise diseases. SO.. it is essential to detox the steroid that was given in parallel with the simillimum to heal...or there will be no healing. I use both F series but steroid starting 30ish, and simillimum starting low potency.
It doesn't work to do this in series - it needs to be simultaneous - healing is needed and thymus repair also - at the same time - in a hand holding sort of way. Each remedy at its own individualized rate of dosing and potency raising, per the usual homeopathy guidelines - just individually monitored and managed, per remedy.
In any case - I *always* use F series for remedies to cause healing of illness nowadays, starting low potency, regardless how may remedies a case may need over time.
(Only special cases like detox of thymus-damaging steroids and detox of smoke damage from a toxic fire - I find works better starting 30 or 34C.)
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
I have also had the odd case which defies me to find the best matched remedy. Usually the remedy found is doing some good but needs dilution cups or aggravates easily - as there is excessive sensitivity in the individual.
My rule is "some information is missing - try to find what that is".
But then I found it is individual as what to do next. Maybe a nutrient is absent, or a maintaining cause was missed and needs removal or an acute miasm is blocking or some prior illness is trying to emerge and needs to be handled next, or there is blockage due to a drug that was used which needs specific detoxing or I simply missed an odd feature that points me to the right remedy etc. Whatever is needed - or even if I just missed something critical in my repertorizing - when I get back to remedy selection, I start over with F series in the new remedy (low potency, not the potency reached with the prior discontinued remedy).
I also do that in very involved cases - for example in FIP, there is nearly always a serious prior illness hiding somewhere, which was suppressed. As soon as the FIP reaches a clearance point, one sees the cat seeming healthy, active, playing, etc - but within hours (overnight or faster) the prior disease emerges at full strength - often at a life threatening stage, and it needs its matched remedy immediately. That then is used starting over at low potency F series.
I do find that hormone drugs like steroids, are detoxed best starting at about 30C or 34C (lower aggravates)....and may need 55 or even 89C after that. All else I start low, like 5C or whatever is available.
I also find that steroid detox is best in frequent drop doses (eg one drop four times a day, or one drop every 2nd day in less poisoned or more sensitive cases - depends on individual case) than in normal doses (which for ac at is about ten drops on average- 1/2 ml).
I do not know how to explain why this drop dose seems so effective (Joe, any comment?) but it is consistently causing higher survival rate in FIP. (Steroids, till this drop-wise protocol, were death doses in FIP through 2011 - as steroids do to the body what FIP does to the body, only worse).
(Glucocorticoid) steroids block immune system recovery in chronic disease through a combination of thymus damage (a chemical thymectomy is caused by them), muscle deterioration, neutrophil excess and lymphocyte depletion - yet vets tend to toss steroids around like candy despite the immense damage they do, in the false belief that they are "anti-inflammatory". The thymus is needed for recovery from things like FIP, cancer, AIDS, and other chronic and immune compromise diseases. SO.. it is essential to detox the steroid that was given in parallel with the simillimum to heal...or there will be no healing. I use both F series but steroid starting 30ish, and simillimum starting low potency.
It doesn't work to do this in series - it needs to be simultaneous - healing is needed and thymus repair also - at the same time - in a hand holding sort of way. Each remedy at its own individualized rate of dosing and potency raising, per the usual homeopathy guidelines - just individually monitored and managed, per remedy.
In any case - I *always* use F series for remedies to cause healing of illness nowadays, starting low potency, regardless how may remedies a case may need over time.
(Only special cases like detox of thymus-damaging steroids and detox of smoke damage from a toxic fire - I find works better starting 30 or 34C.)
Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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Re: fibonacci question dosing
Comment on the drop dose.....it is information provided, not pharmacology....if the information is correct, no need to shout (lots of drops), just a timely reminder as needed..........that is the image I have..
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com
Joe.
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Irene de Villiers
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Thanks Joe!
How logical - as always
And I can think of other applications for it ...
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
How logical - as always
And I can think of other applications for it ...
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."