Subject: Homeopathic Immunisation: interviews with Dr Isaac Golden

[Shannon Nelson]

Joe, do you sometimes give his full program, or for specific diseases the parents are concerned about?
Shannon

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Actually I do not give the full programme, only the ones of major concern, but I try to insist on the whooping cough, not because of the disease itself but because of the 90-100 days of continuous worry and sleeplessness for the whole family: this happens sometimes despite homeopathic treatment.

And of course I have modified the potencies, what else would you expect from me.....
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com

[Shannon Nelson]

But of course you have!

So for this, how low do you begin and how high do you go and on what timetable -- any further observations or remarks? Veeeery interesting!!

Have you included your experiences with homeoprophy in any of your writing so far?

Shannon

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Locally (NZ) we have infectious nosodes only from 30C, so I use the first dose 34+55C, second dose if no reaction 89+144C, third dose 233C, and that is it, about 2 weeks in between and that is it.....I must say that I have given the HP very infrequently, but so far have not seen any bad effect, not enough cases to conclude, therefore not written anywhere.

I want to add some notions about Isaac's experience:

He used professional statisticians; his work has been peer reviewed many times by Australian School of Medicine (cannot remember which one) and led to him receiving a PhD, so if there was any flaw in his research, they would have pounced on it.
His follow-up is concrete and clinical, not anecdotal; his conclusions about a better state of health are confirmed by GP and other non homeopaths.
All his evidence is rock solid, not "impressions" "feelings" or "appearances".
Moreover he was directly involved in the Cuban HP for Leptospirosis, now extended to the whole country, and controlled not only by the local School of Medicine but by the vaccine manufacturer who who suggested HP in the first place!

To deny efficiency and claim danger is the same attitude as those conventional MDs who have said "even if you proved homeopathy works, I would not believe it and would not accept it".
Real science versus dogma.
Guess where I sit!
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com

[Irene de Villiers]

That's fascinating!
It's the first time I heard someone did titer tests with no vacccine history also present and found an antibody titer.

It's good news as anti-vaccine ammo!
Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

I do not think they do indicate immunity really.

the first line of defence in the immune system is hte thymus activity which involves phagocytosis.
Research shows that after a natural disease, the thymus activity (as a first line of defence against illness) is much styrengthened.
After a vaccination by contrast - the thymus activity is severely damaged - leaing ONLY the second line of defence as anyh kind of backup option.
Antibodies were never meant to be the main disease defense of the body - the thymus shoud be doing it all.
Antibody system exists to help IF the thymus phagocytosis system is overwhelmed (which is what a vaccination does)

The antibodies there after a natural disease - indicate that it lasted more than 2 weeks - so antibodies were called in to help - but still that the thymus did the real work - hence increased Th-1 cytokine activity.

After vaccination the immune system is skewed to the TH-2 side involving B-cells (antibody cells form the bone marrow as opposed to T-cells form the thymus)

In MY opinion it is mere theory that antibodies prove immunity.
ALL they prove is that some kind of exposure has happened to a specific foreign protein.
To me a thymus with good strength is what shows true immunity - and vaccines destroy that.
To me, NO vaccine with resultant antibody presence shows immunity. It's a theory to sell vaccines.

A picture is worth a thousand words however - and I hope that attachments are permitted as I want to attach what a thymus looks like before and after a low dose of a steroid drug. It happens to be cow thymus - but they all work the same in mammals. A low dose of steroid does the same kind of thymus damage as a vaccine.
The reason it is easy to get a photo of what happens to cow thymus, is that farmers illegally use low dose steroids to try to get more per pound for inferior meat, and the thymus test spills the beans on this activity!

Of course the well known damage to thymus is not transferred and prevented in humans and others who get vaccines and steroids!
Hope the pictures are below.
The tissue is purple stained - active thymus showing purple.
After the damage, much healthy tissue is replaced by fat - the white areas on both pictures are fat - which takes up no purple stain.

Namaste,
Irene

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[Irene de Villiers]

Sheri believes:
This is incorrect.
The opposite is the truth per Hahnemann.
read Organon Aph 141.

.....and Dr Golden has proved it in multiple practical studies as well.....as have countless farmers using it on their organic farming stock, and countless cattery and kennel owners using it on their breeding stock and offspring for a couple hundred years, among others.

Animal disease homeoprophylaxis has a very long history and the numbers are high and statistically significant as each incident involves an entire herd/flock/cattery etc.

By the way - your ugly implications about homeopaths using homeoprophylaxis are disgusting inventions.
The remedies are readily available in many parts of the world for anyone to obtain for themselves, and for those like myself who import them to bring them to USA for my clients so they do not need to import - they are passed on at cost, I have better things to do with my knowledge than to be a homeoprophylaxsis storefront clerk.

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Dom]

Hi Dr. Joe
Thanks for sharing your experience and on Dr. Isaac. I am sitting on your side!

Best Wishes Domenic

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[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Hi Maria
Where is this admittance by FDA pls?
Rgds

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Bohle
Sent: 26 February 2013 21:52
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Subject: Homeopathic Immunisation: interviews with Dr Isaac Golden
The FDA just admitted recently that 90 or 94% of all vaccinations are ineffective,

but the mercury, formaldehyde and other preservatives are not ineffective, they can potentially cause lots of problems.
At least homeopathic prophylaxis doesn't inject foreign proteins and doesn't have the preservatives in it.

For parents that want some kind of protection, the nosodes seem to work well, and as Golden said, 'IF' the patient were to contract the disease a 200C of the nosode usually ended the problem.

warmly, Maria

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From: "Sheri Nakken" >
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com , "homeopathy open" >
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:05:23 PM
Subject: [Minutus] Subject: Homeopathic Immunisation: interviews with Dr Isaac Golden
I and many others do NOT agree with this. I will post my info again. The key is to learn about the diseases and learn the reality and lose the fear of them.

Sheri

At 05:52 PM 2/25/2013, you wrote:

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