whooping cough [was: dissimilar diseases or not?

[Shannon Nelson]

That's interesting!

I can certainly see where magnesium would be relevant, e.g. spasms and stress.
But I'm surprised at the idea that it might totally *cure* the condition. Do you have direct experience with that?

Do you know how much magnesium should be taken per dose, how frequently, and over how long a time? I'm sure there would be variation; but as a ballpark figure. Are we talking about an amount that might typically be taken for nutritional purposes (say 400-1,000 mg per day), or a lot more, or ?

Shannon

[comdyne2002]

Magnesium and calcium should be taken together and that is assuming that there are already normal levels of hydrochloric acid in the stomach.

Magnesium assimilates poorly so it is better utilized when taken through the skin. Magnesium chloride is best. Epsom salt (mg Sulphate) is OK but the chloride form is much better, at least by a 50% margin if not much more. I buy 50 lb bags of it (mg chloride) and soak in it in my baths. It is sold as a driveway/sidewalk ice melter in snow prone regions.

I am not a practitioner so I cannot recommend dosages and I suspect that would vary widely anyway. Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen

http://www.magnesiumoil.org.uk/tag/whooping-cough/

[Shannon Nelson]

Personally I have used both of them orally for decades (am very familiar with my own sxs for needing each), not seen any trouble assimilating -- but I am certainly willing to believe that some people might. But I haven't *seen* it to be a problem, just FWIW.

So you are saying that Epsom salt soaks can cure whooping cough? Now I'm even more intrigued! Where did you learn about that -- and can you by any chance give me a link? (Or I'll google later when I have more time.)

Thanks!
Shannon

[Tanya Marquette]

funny, but just got a post from Mark Hyman, Md which focused on magnesium deficiency
in the American diet. He related this deficiency to a multitude of disease conditions. in
the video he notes use of epsom salts for getting magnesium into your body.
he also says that when 65% ER cases are deficient in magnesium and the public at large
about 15% are deficient.
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From: comdyne2002
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 2:19 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] whooping cough [was: dissimilar diseases or not?

Magnesium and calcium should be taken together and that is assuming that there are already normal levels of hydrochloric acid in the stomach.

Magnesium assimilates poorly so it is better utilized when taken through the skin. Magnesium chloride is best. Epsom salt (mg Sulphate) is OK but the chloride form is much better, at least by a 50% margin if not much more. I buy 50 lb bags of it (mg chloride) and soak in it in my baths. It is sold as a driveway/sidewalk ice melter in snow prone regions.

I am not a practitioner so I cannot recommend dosages and I suspect that would vary widely anyway. Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen

http://www.magnesiumoil.org.uk/tag/whooping-cough/

[Tanya Marquette]

Just remembering a situation years ago when I got hit with a severe case of
bursitis. At the time we had a very knowledgeable man who ran the health food
store in town. He suggested magnesium. I was taking a calc/mag supplement
at the time ratio 2:1. He said to reverse the ratio with 2x the amount of mag/calc.
One dose of mag and the pain healed about 80% or something very dramatic.
Took maybe another high dose and that was it. It has been at least 30 yrs since
that episode. So if taking 1000mg calc, one would need 2000 mg mag for a
therapeutic dose. Hyman recommends 400 mg daily for normal health.
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From: Shannon Nelson
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:16 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] whooping cough [was: dissimilar diseases or not?

That's interesting!
I can certainly see where magnesium would be relevant, e.g. spasms and stress.
But I'm surprised at the idea that it might totally *cure* the condition. Do you have direct experience with that?
Do you know how much magnesium should be taken per dose, how frequently, and over how long a time? I'm sure there would be variation; but as a ballpark figure. Are we talking about an amount that might typically be taken for nutritional purposes (say 400-1,000 mg per day), or a lot more, or ?
Shannon

[Dale Moss]

Dietary magnesium deficiency may be related to soil deficiencies. In our area (New England), it's recommended that we add epsom salts (mag-sulph.) to the soil before planting tomatoes. Then, of course, there's the whole issue of the waning vitamin/mineral content of fruits and vegetables raised conventionally rather than organically.
Peace,
Dale

[Dale Moss]

Most calcium/magnesium supplements hew to the 2:1 ratio of calcium to magnesium. To my knowledge, only Rainbow Lite's has a 2:1 magnesium to calcium ratio.
Peace,
Dale

[Shannon Nelson]

Also, if I understand right, the adrenals are in charge of retaining / recycling magnesium. So when they are struggling ("stress") or sub-par ("chronically stressed"), the need for magnesium shoots up. Anyone know anyone dealing with stress these days?

[Shannon Nelson]

Nowadays there are also others -- and it is easy to use a Ca/Mg blend as a base, then add whatever Ca or Mg you need, to bring the total ratio to the one *your* body needs. Which varies from person to person, and can also vary with circumstances (e.g. with "stress"!). That's what I've done for decades, and watched my own needed ratio change over time. It's very worthwhile to test out each one individually, and know one's own indications for each. IMO.

[Tanya Marquette]

Yes this nutrition doc notes the depletion of mag in soils, too.
so not in the foods the way it should be and people not eating the foods
with mag. a winning combo for deficiency.
actually the list of foods that would normally be good sources of mag is long,
so it should be a mineral that we get easily.
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From: Dale Moss
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 8:03 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] whooping cough [was: dissimilar diseases or not?


Dietary magnesium deficiency may be related to soil deficiencies. In our area (New England), it's recommended that we add epsom salts (mag-sulph.) to the soil before planting tomatoes. Then, of course, there's the whole issue of the waning vitamin/mineral content of fruits and vegetables raised conventionally rather than organically.
Peace,
Dale