LMs - Dropper bottles

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Do any colleagues use a dropper bottle for administering LMs?
I have been using them for sometime and I would say they offer great convenience to the patient especially because they can easily take it with them where ever they go.
One poppy seed goes into the 5 ml bottle and the patient takes just one drop!
Simples etch!!
Regards

Soroush

[Fran Sheffield]

Hi Soroush,

Yes, I do too.

I put one pill (LM or C) into a 20ml bottle, filled with about 15mls water-alcohol mix.

The patient then succusses, places 5 drops into about 1/4 cup of water and takes a teaspoon dose.

This is approximately proportional to the measurements Hahnemann advised (who didn't have the convenience of dropper bottles?) and is the method I have used for the past 20 years.

Succussions, drops, quantities of water and, if needed, serial dilution cups are adjusted to suit sensitivity as needed.

I am not so sure about the suggested "harmonics" of Hahnemanns posology (who also advised the pill could be dissolved in a very small amount of liquid) as the above has usually served me well.

I think the ability to dilute and succuss to meet the patient's sensitivity is the main thing and the ratios are not so important.

It would be lovely to have research in this area to see if there is a difference.
Kind Regards,

Fran Sheffield

[Rochelle Marsden]

I have always done 1 pillule( C ) in a 10mls bottle of water with a little vodka . 5 succussions and 5 drops as a dose. Keep in the fridge!!!
Sometimes I do 1 pillule in 100mls bottle of water, 15 drops vodka ( as Luc de Schepper’s book) succuss and 1 teaspoon in ¼ cup of water, stir and take 1 teaspoon as a dose.
Rochelle Marsden Msc, RSHom, MNWCH, AAMET

Registered with the Society of Homeopaths

EFT(Advanced) Practitioner

www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fran Sheffield
Sent: 12 June 2012 12:59
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] LMs - Dropper bottles
Hi Soroush,

Yes, I do too.

I put one pill (LM or C) into a 20ml bottle, filled with about 15mls water-alcohol mix.

The patient then succusses, places 5 drops into about 1/4 cup of water and takes a teaspoon dose.

This is approximately proportional to the measurements Hahnemann advised (who didn't have the convenience of dropper bottles?) and is the method I have used for the past 20 years.

Succussions, drops, quantities of water and, if needed, serial dilution cups are adjusted to suit sensitivity as needed.

I am not so sure about the suggested "harmonics" of Hahnemanns posology (who also advised the pill could be dissolved in a very small amount of liquid) as the above has usually served me well.

I think the ability to dilute and succuss to meet the patient's sensitivity is the main thing and the ratios are not so important.

It would be lovely to have research in this area to see if there is a difference.

Kind Regards,
Fran Sheffield
Do any colleagues use a dropper bottle for administering LMs?
I have been using them for sometime and I would say they offer great convenience to the patient especially because they can easily take it with them where ever they go.
One poppy seed goes into the 5 ml bottle and the patient takes just one drop!
Simples etch!!
Regards

Soroush

[yerewan]

I do .
Add some alcohol about 20% of the volume.
Patient can keep it where ever (s)he likes as
there 's alcohol there so it'll be ok.
I follow this protocol w/ droppers also with
lower potencies when I find them more suitable.
BW, Will

[healthinfo6]

My only thought as to the use of LM dropper bottles is the dropper itself usually has some of the liquid in it when you replace the dropper, if not a full dose or more. When you succuss the bottle, the dropper contents likely are not as well succussed as the rest of the bottle contents as they are trapped in the dropper.
I would do the following:
1) Squeeze the dropper contents back into the bottle
2) Succuss, then squeeze the dropper contents back into the bottle and squeeze for a new amount of liquid.
OR
3) Do #1 and use another flat cap to succuss.
OR
3) Do #1 and remove the glass tube from the cap, then succuss, then replace glass tube and dispense.
I do # 1 and 2 for herbal tinctures that may suggest to shake well first.
LMs would be more important as it's the strong succussion and agitation of the molecules that make the difference in each dose.
Susan

[jtikari]

How can just succussing make a difference to the remedy? To raise the potency succussing and serial diluting is required. If just succussing(shaking) was enough to raise the potency then, as Chandran Nambiar puts it, all the labels on our remedy bottles are completely incorrect. For the remedies from the manufacturing pharmacy to the distributers and then to us is shaken in transportation millions of times and even the MTs would be in high potency.
A bottle of 3x potency could be raised to 200 or 1M by just banging it on our palm - wouldn't that be wonderful?
Jeff Tikari

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear Jeff
Succussing does make a HUGE difference. This is shown especially when dealing with sensitive patients where in place of the usual 10 bangs, just a couple is sufficient to progress them.
Medicating potencies are extra succussed during transport. However it is not sufficient to move them from 3x to anything more dilute as you have indicated. If anything it may make it more powerful as LMs are because of the higher succussions per step (100 in place of 10) but they would stay at 3X.
Rgds

Soroush
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Sent: 14 June 2012 04:45
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
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How can just succussing make a difference to the remedy? To raise the potency succussing and serial diluting is required. If just succussing(shaking) was enough to raise the potency then, as Chandran Nambiar puts it, all the labels on our remedy bottles are completely incorrect. For the remedies from the manufacturing pharmacy to the distributers and then to us is shaken in transportation millions of times and even the MTs would be in high potency.

A bottle of 3x potency could be raised to 200 or 1M by just banging it on our palm - wouldn't that be wonderful?
Jeff Tikari

[jtikari]

How do you know, Soroush, that the extra bangs makes them more powerful? What's the proof and the science behind it? Or is it your theory?
Jeff

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

How do I know?

It is simple! It is be observation and experience of not only myself but other colleagues.
Furthermore, you said:

" A bottle of 3x potency could be raised to 200 or 1M by just banging it on our palm "
Noting that 200 and 1M indicate levels of dilution and succussion, I hope you are not implying that shaking some liquid would increase its dilution - are you? If so either this is another theory or you have made a major discovery.
Rgds

Soroush
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Sent: 14 June 2012 15:16
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How do you know, Soroush, that the extra bangs makes them more powerful? What's the proof and the science behind it? Or is it your theory?
Jeff

[healthinfo6]

Reading Organon 6th would give you a head start.
Personal experience and those who use LMs show besides the number of bangs, it's the power given to each bang that excites the molecules and delivers results. H suggests banging like a gavel held high brought down against a leather bound book. I bang loosely holding a plastic bottle by the neck against a mousepad with such force, my dishes rattle on the sink I'm doing it. The holding loosely allows the bottle to absorb the shock vs my hand. As the bottle empties, I find it more difficult to get that strong vibration from each bang as a more full bottle does and find the dose less effective.
This is the reason LM liquids are not affected by transport and average shaking, tossing. They need STRONG force.
Surely there is science that can explain the phenomena, but you don't need to know it first to experience LM power.
Allopathy has many drugs whose action aren't exactly known, only that they work, make $$$ and haven't killed anyone yet.
The following song reminds me of LMs.


Susan