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Sheri
At 11:53 AM 5/18/2012, you wrote:
BACTERIA/VIRUSES/?DISEASE
Hi all,
It is difficult on this list to be always addressing this issue - DO BACTERIA or VIRUSES "CAUSE" disease???
I will try to explain when I answer emails from now on, from both perspectives - as if they do 'cause' disease and as if they don't 'cause' disease.
But I wanted to write up something specific and share links to other ways of looking at this - that bacteria & viruses do NOT 'cause' disease.
Something is likely 'spread' - the energy of the illness, something stimulating release of toxins that is healthy (the illness of chickenpox, measles, etc). Something happens in childhood illnesses that might be very necessary for development of the immune system - but are the bacteria or viruses the cause?? Are they only present? Are they doing a job cleaning up? Is the illness important as it is the body's way of getting rid of toxins inherited and acquired in utero and early life?
I am now writing up some of my ideas about germs, viruses, disease
So, whether or not it is bacteria or viruses that are spreading something, the fact remains that something is communicated from one to another - somehow, someway.
And it is the susceptibility of the person, the terrain, the state of the mind, body spirit, that matters when it comes to staying healthy or becoming ill.
The symptoms of chickenpox exist and seem to spread through schools, families and neighborhoods
The symptoms of measles, rubella, mumps, & pertussis, exist and seem to spread through schools, families & neighborhoods
But does the above mean that a bacteria or virus CAUSES them? No. Does the existence of a bacteria or virus mean that it causes it? NO. Because they are detected to be there does not mean they CAUSED it. Just because I am found at the scene of a car accident and am trying to help, does not mean that I caused it. Because bacteria come to a stagnant pond and is cleaning it up, does mean that the bacteria caused the stagnant pond. They are there doing a job. Maybe the job is related to the illness, maybe not.
The symptoms of poliomyelitis are very different - see my http://www.geocities.com/harpub for info on proof that polio was NOT infectious - did not spread from contacts, but was a toxic situation
The smallpox situation is likely similar to the polio situation above.
BUT much has become invested in the germ theory and that bacteria and viruses cause illness - an entrenched belief system that now makes lots of money for researchers, the medical industry including doctors, hospitals, insurance companies, drug and vaccine companies and every industry related to these.
It will be very difficult to ever find the truth about all of this, at this point in time. Misinterpretation & absolute lies have tainted everything and likely we will never recover the truth until we are destroyed.
A lot of this has to do with your worldview - are we part of a world that is purposeful and all things work to support life and health and we are part of that world - symbiosis. OR is the world a dangerous place where all kinds of things are out to get us. Things that are separate from us, harmful, dangerous. US and THEM. We have been programmed, especially in the last 100 years to fear disease and many things - it has been implanted it into the consciousness of all of us - why has this been done? Always look to 'who benefits' when you are questioning what someone is telling you. This type of propaganda that produces fear of disease is about greed. It can be used to reduce knowledge, compassion, understanding. It can be used to cause people to separate from each other. It divides us. Maybe we need to help the bacteria or virus (if it is doing a job) do its job more effectively. Help instead of fight it. We have a war mentality going on in every aspect of our life - fight it. This goes back, in part, to the time of Descartes (& before) - separation of the mind, body and spirit. We are separate from the planet, we are separate from each other.
BACTERIA
I know that bacteria live on & in our bodies all the time
Many/most of those are doing a job that is important - symbiotic (mutually beneficial) bacteria are instrumental in digestion, vitamin production, and other good work.
a: producing vitamins (bacteria in the human gut produce vitamin K ) - Escherichia coli (a.k.a. E. coli) lives in the gut, where it helps digest food and produces Vitamin K
Healthy bacteria are needed to help with digestion as they produce enzymes which, help to break down food. Some species of bacteria also produce B Complex Vitamins and assist in their assimilation by the intestines. Healthy bacteria also perform "house-cleaning" duties like helping to repair the intestinal mucosa lining the intestinal walls.
b: live on our skin and protect us from many harmful agents. The drier areas, like the back, have few microbes; moist areas, such as under the arm, have many more
c. In the body - consume and mop up dead and decaying matter - cleaning up toxic situation
Bacteria in some cases produce toxins while doing these jobs and these may be what makes us sick if we are sickly all ready. Is that the bacteria's fault? Or is that the fault of the terrain - that it is so weakened and so sickly that it can't tolerate something normal going on in the body - bacteria breaking down dead stuff
d. one of the indicators or symptoms that an organ or tissue is undergoing pathogenic changes, the causes of which have little to do with the presence or absence of the viruses or bacteria.
e. maintain our atmosphere - Cyanobacteria (formerly known as blue-green algae) live in water, where they produce large amounts of the oxygen we breathe.
f. Lactobacillus bulgaricus helps turn milk into cheese, yogurt, and other dairy products. Lactobacillus turns lactose, the sugar in milk, into lactic acid that wards off microbes that cause spoilage.
g. Bacillus thuringiensis is also know as "Bt." This common soil bacterium acts as a natural pest-killer in gardens and on crops.
h. Propionibacterium freudenreichii - This bacterium produces carbon dioxide gas bubbles that burst in ripening cheese, leaving this cheese's trademark holes.
i. Xanthomonas campestris - produces a slimy outer couting called xanthan. Xanthan gum is used as a thickening and stabilizing agent in many common products including water-based paints and cosmetics.
j. Saccharomyces is also known as Baker's Yeast because it is used to make bread rise. This fungus also breaks down the natural sugars in grains or other starchy ingredients into carbon dioxide and ethanol (a.k.a. alcohol).
k. Methanotrophs eat methane gas to clean up hazardous waste dumps and landfills. These methane-munching bacteria make an enzyme that can break down more than 250 nasty pollutants into harmless molecules. By piping methane into the soil, we can increase growth of the methanotrophs that normally live in the polluted soil. More methanotrophs means faster pollution break up.
l. Acetobacter modifies glucose, making vitamin C as a by-product.
m. Arbuscular is part of a soil-living fungus family. This fungus helps crops take up nutrients from the soil.
n. Saccharomyces carlsbergensis - This fungus breaks down the natural sugars in grains to form ethanol and carbon dioxide (a.k.a. beer).
o. Pseudomonas cleans waste from sewage water at water treatment plants.
p. Acidophilus bacteria breaks down sugars and carbohydrates in milk, turning it into yogurt. This process is called fermentation.
q. Bacteria are what decompose and use up dead plant and animal matter.
r. Certain species of bacteria that live on the roots of plants actually "fix" nitrogen from the air, convert it to plant food, and feed the plants with essential plant nutrients.
Rhizobia convert free nitrogen into a form that the plants can use in order to grow.
s. Bacillus thuringiensis(Bt), has insecticidal properties and is used to control plant pests.
t. The "average" American; that is, the one eating his or her daily "meat and chemicals" diet, carries in their large intestine alone 4-4 1/2 lbs of bacteria, or 1x10 18 , that is, more bacteria in their large intestine than there are cells in their body! http://www.alchemycalpages.com/infectious2.html
u. maintain our atmosphere - Cyanobacteria (formerly known as blue-green algae) live in water, where they produce large amounts of the oxygen we breathe.
********
Here are some pages on the positive things about bacteria
http://www.microbeworld.org/know/everyday.aspx
http://www.microbeworld.org/microbes/ba ... fault.aspx
http://www.microbeworld.org/microbes/vi ... erium.aspx - some of how 'they' explain differences between bacteria & viruses
Of course the above webpages buys into the idea that viruses & bacteria 'cause' disease - but that is one track that was taken back a few hundred years ago and there are others who did not have the perspective.
******
VIRUSES
I don't know if there are such things as viruses as they have explained it to us
If there are such things as viruses, I don't know that they 'cause' illness in everyone
If there are such things as viruses, I don't know that they 'cause' illness in some
If there are such things as viruses, they may be doing an important job helping to repair DNA, etc
If there are such things as viruses & they are doing an important job, then we aren't helping by trying to destroy them.
If there are such things as viruses, are they spread around? Is that a bad thing? Are they doing an important job?
Are the childhood illnesses situations where the body has a chance to get rid of toxins and disturbances inherited, acquired while in utero, acquired at delivery and early life?
Are these viral caused? Something else that we don't understand yet - a wave of energy, or something stimulating it.
Are they early challenges of some sort to help build the immune system - idea that everything has a purpose on this planet and is doing a job that is necessary - nature is not against us
http://www.alchemycalpages.com/infectious2.html
INFECTIOUS ILLNESS.
Part 2
"Now, no-one in their right mind, in seeing the body of a dead mouse covered with thousands of ants, would ever conclude that the swarm of ants were responsible for killing the mouse. No, the ants are eating and cleaning up and removing the decaying flesh of the already dead mouse.
Conversely, no-one on their right mind would conclude that if we pour some insect killer on the swarm of ants in an attempt to eliminate them would restore life to the dead mouse.
Yet, it is thought axiomatic today, in the scientific medical community, that if evidence of the presence of viruses or bacteria are found in an ill-person's body, that the virus or bacteria is the cause of the illness. This is analogous to concluding that because we find a swarm of ants consuming the body of a dead animal, the ants killed the animal."
"Therefore, finding more and more powerful antibiotics or anti-viral agents to kill the bacteria or virus will do absolutely nothing to help promote the revitalization and regeneration of the decaying organ or tissue being "mopped-up" by the bacteria or virus."
Further links
Also might want to read (of course I DON'T agree with everything below, and some I haven't made my mind up about yet):
Dr Stefan Lanka exposes the "Viral Fraud" (from 2002 - on purportedly existing "diseasecausing viruses" in general):
http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm
Interview with Stefan Lanka on "bird flu" etc 27.10.2005:
http://www.klein-klein-aktion.de/conten ... d_flu.html or
http://rolf-martens.com/otherspubs/0510 ... u_etc.html
An article by Stefan Lanka, 01.03.2006, "Are there and can there be diseasecausing viruses" (written in particular with a view to that big hoax about there existing a "bird flu virus"):
http://rolf-martens.com/otherspubs/0603 ... ruses.html
http://www.homeoint.org/books4/close/chapter06.htm
The Genius of Homeopathy
Lectures and Essays on Homeopathic Philosophy
By Dr Stuart M. CLOSE
Presented by Médi-T
Chapter VI
Life, Health and Disease
http://freespace.virgin.net/ahcare.qua/ ... tions.html
Viral Infections
What do we know?
by Dr Patrick Quanten MD
Here are websites on natural hygiene (they don't buy into the germ theory)
Here are some websites
http://naturalhygienesociety.org/
http://www.doctoryourself.com/natural_hygiene.html
www.whale.to/vaccines/shelton1.html
www.drbass.com/disease-cure.html
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyg ... 27.toc.htm
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyg ... inaion.htm
http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/raiseachild.html
http://www.unhinderedliving.com/germtheory.html
A Faulty Medical Model: The Germ Theory
http://whale.to/a/b/pearson.html
THE DREAM AND LIE OF LOUIS PASTEUR
by R. B. Pearson
http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/articles.html
Many interesting articles by Ian Sinclair
He is right on!
Germs - The Mistaken Enemy
Immunity - A Medical Myth
Vaccination - A False Premise
Life-Long Immunity - No Such Thing
Infectious Disease - A Misnomer
Immunological Memory Is Not Enough
The Immune System - Its True Role
New Cough Vaccine!
You Can't Build A Brick House Without The Bricks
Safe Vaccines - What's The Point?
What The Game Is All About
Hepatitis - The Liver Cure
http://tinyurl.com/yf6bq5
http://www.newtreatments.org/
Synthesis of the Work of Enderlein, Bechamps and other Pleomorphic Researchers
http://whale.to/v/pleomorphism.htm
http://www.rawpaleodiet.org/pleomorphism-1.html
http://www.euroamericanhealth.com/pleo.html
PLEOMORPHISM
(I'm not in agreement with isopathics which they have a link to toward the bottom & associate with this)
also google on pleomorphism
http://www.herbdatanz.com/pasteur_or_be ... isms-1.htm
Pasteur or Bechamp? Pleomorphic Organisms
Part~1
Ivor Hughes
Nature Cure
Philosophy & Practice Based on the Unity of Disease & Cure
Henry Lindlahr, M.D.
TWENTIETH EDITION
Published by The Nature Cure Publishing Company
525 South Ashland Boulevard, Chicago
1922
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyg ... 23ch5.html
http://freespace.virgin.net/ahcare.qua/ ... tions.html
Viral Infections
What do we know?
by Dr Patrick Quanten MD
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/20 ... _virus.htm
July 05, 2003
Hepatitis C epidemic - where is the virus?
http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/terrain/l ... dicine.htm
The Lost History of Medicine
Sick and Tired?: Reclaim Your Inner Terrain
Lots on that issue and how to eat more healthfully created a more alkaline environment
BOOK here - excellent for this information - I don't agree that all should be vegetarian and also don't agree with pH numbers he says we should attain - from my study a pH of 6.4 in urine and saliva is the aim
US
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN% ... 07-9909426
UK
CANADA
So, that's my offering of ideas and resources for further information for now!
Lot's to think about and contemplate
Sheri
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copyright Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath, October 2006
http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm vaccineinfo@tesco.net
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Dear Sheri
I agree that undoubtedly there are micro organisms that do an absolutely vital job and in fact keep us healthy.
There are also those people who are carriers who have germs associated with typhoid, meningitis, salmonella etc, but are perfectly symptom free! These guys are NOT susceptible.
I loved your analogy. That we find emergency crews at the scene of accidents so it would be short-sighted to conclude that the accidents are caused by emergency crews especially because we do not normally witness accidents at police, fire, ambulance stations!
However, if we were to take the live micro-organism associated with any particular disease, to a 'healthy' person and inject them or spray their face with it, it is very likely that they would catch that disease. Hence the example of the smallpox laden blankets.
This kind of experience has been witnessed so many times - from the European black plagues to other events such as the London Cholera (with a contaminated water stand has the source) - and for example measles and chickenpox parties that young kids were taken to - where germs are transferred from one person by touch or by air-borne organisms.
Even Hn mentions this kind of the fact.
So I repeat, for most acute diseases, we need Susceptibility + an Agent.
This agent does not necessarily needs to be a micro organism - for example shock or fright might bring about symptoms, like a heart attack or even menstruation to be suppressed!
Kind regards
Soroush
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BACTERIA/VIRUSES/?DISEASE
Hi all,
It is difficult on this list to be always
addressing this issue - DO BACTERIA or VIRUSES "CAUSE" disease???
I will try to explain when I answer emails from
now on, from both perspectives - as if they do
'cause' disease and as if they don't 'cause' disease.
But I wanted to write up something specific and
share links to other ways of looking at this -
that bacteria & viruses do NOT 'cause' disease.
Something is likely 'spread' - the energy of the
illness, something stimulating release of toxins
that is healthy (the illness of chickenpox,
measles, etc). Something happens in childhood
illnesses that might be very necessary for
development of the immune system - but are the
bacteria or viruses the cause?? Are they only
present? Are they doing a job cleaning up? Is
the illness important as it is the body's way of
getting rid of toxins inherited and acquired in utero and early life?
I am now writing up some of my ideas about germs, viruses, disease
So, whether or not it is bacteria or viruses that
are spreading something, the fact remains that
something is communicated from one to another - somehow, someway.
And it is the susceptibility of the person, the
terrain, the state of the mind, body spirit, that
matters when it comes to staying healthy or becoming ill.
The symptoms of chickenpox exist and seem to
spread through schools, families and neighborhoods
The symptoms of measles, rubella, mumps, &
pertussis, exist and seem to spread through schools, families & neighborhoods
But does the above mean that a bacteria or virus
CAUSES them? No. Does the existence of a
bacteria or virus mean that it causes
it? NO. Because they are detected to be there
does not mean they CAUSED it. Just because I am
found at the scene of a car accident and am
trying to help, does not mean that I caused
it. Because bacteria come to a stagnant pond and
is cleaning it up, does mean that the bacteria
caused the stagnant pond. They are there doing a
job. Maybe the job is related to the illness, maybe not.
The symptoms of poliomyelitis are very different
- see my http://www.geocities.com/harpub for info
on proof that polio was NOT infectious - did not
spread from contacts, but was a toxic situation
The smallpox situation is likely similar to the polio situation above.
BUT much has become invested in the germ theory
and that bacteria and viruses cause illness - an
entrenched belief system that now makes lots of
money for researchers, the medical industry
including doctors, hospitals, insurance
companies, drug and vaccine companies and every industry related to these.
It will be very difficult to ever find the truth
about all of this, at this point in
time. Misinterpretation & absolute lies have
tainted everything and likely we will never
recover the truth until we are destroyed.
A lot of this has to do with your worldview - are
we part of a world that is purposeful and all
things work to support life and health and we are
part of that world - symbiosis. OR is the world
a dangerous place where all kinds of things are
out to get us. Things that are separate from us,
harmful, dangerous. US and THEM. We have been
programmed, especially in the last 100 years to
fear disease and many things - it has been
implanted it into the consciousness of all of us
- why has this been done? Always look to 'who
benefits' when you are questioning what someone
is telling you. This type of propaganda that
produces fear of disease is about greed. It can
be used to reduce knowledge, compassion,
understanding. It can be used to cause people to
separate from each other. It divides us. Maybe
we need to help the bacteria or virus (if it is
doing a job) do its job more effectively. Help
instead of fight it. We have a war mentality
going on in every aspect of our life - fight
it. This goes back, in part, to the time of
Descartes (& before) - separation of the mind,
body and spirit. We are separate from the
planet, we are separate from each other.
BACTERIA
I know that bacteria live on & in our bodies all the time
Many/most of those are doing a job that is
important - symbiotic (mutually beneficial)
bacteria are instrumental in digestion, vitamin
production, and other good work.
a: producing vitamins (bacteria in the
human gut produce vitamin K ) - Escherichia coli
(a.k.a. E. coli) lives in the gut, where it helps
digest food and produces Vitamin K
Healthy bacteria are needed to
help with digestion as they produce enzymes
which, help to break down food. Some species
of bacteria also produce B Complex
Vitamins and assist in their assimilation by the
intestines. Healthy bacteria also perform
"house- cleaning" duties like
helping to repair the intestinal mucosa lining the intestinal walls.
b: live on our skin and protect us
from many harmful agents. The drier areas, like
the back, have few microbes; moist areas, such
as under the arm, have many more
c. In the body - consume and mop up
dead and decaying matter - cleaning up toxic situation
Bacteria in some cases produce
toxins while doing these jobs and these may be
what makes us sick if we are sickly all
ready. Is that the bacteria's
fault? Or is that the fault of the terrain -
that it is so weakened and so sickly that it
can't tolerate something normal
going on in the body - bacteria breaking down dead stuff
d. one of the indicators or
symptoms that an organ or tissue is undergoing
pathogenic changes, the causes of which have
little to do with the presence or absence of the viruses or bacteria.
e. maintain our atmosphere -
Cyanobacteria (formerly known as blue-green
algae) live in water, where they produce large
amounts of the oxygen we breathe.
f. Lactobacillus bulgaricus helps
turn milk into cheese, yogurt, and other dairy
products. Lactobacillus turns lactose, the sugar
in milk, into lactic acid that
wards off microbes that cause spoilage.
g. Bacillus thuringiensis is also
know as "Bt." This common soil bacterium acts
as a natural pest-killer in gardens and on crops.
h. Propionibacterium
freudenreichii - This bacterium produces carbon
dioxide gas bubbles that burst in ripening
cheese, leaving this cheese's trademark holes.
i. Xanthomonas campestris -
produces a slimy outer couting called xanthan.
Xanthan gum is used as a thickening and
stabilizing agent in many common
products including water-based paints and cosmetics.
j. Saccharomyces is also known as
Baker's Yeast because it is used to make bread
rise. This fungus also breaks down the
natural sugars in grains or other
starchy ingredients into carbon dioxide and ethanol (a.k.a. alcohol).
k. Methanotrophs eat methane gas to
clean up hazardous waste dumps and landfills.
These methane-munching bacteria make
an enzyme that can break down more than
250 nasty pollutants into harmless molecules. By
piping methane into the soil, we
can increase growth of the
methanotrophs that normally live in the polluted
soil. More methanotrophs means faster pollution break up.
l. Acetobacter modifies glucose,
making vitamin C as a by-product.
m. Arbuscular is part of a
soil-living fungus family. This fungus helps
crops take up nutrients from the soil.
n. Saccharomyces carlsbergensis -
This fungus breaks down the natural sugars in
grains to form ethanol and carbon dioxide (a.k.a. beer).
o. Pseudomonas cleans waste from
sewage water at water treatment plants.
p. Acidophilus bacteria breaks down
sugars and carbohydrates in milk, turning it into
yogurt. This process is called fermentation.
q. Bacteria are what decompose and
use up dead plant and animal matter.
r. Certain species of bacteria that
live on the roots of plants actually "fix"
nitrogen from the air, convert it to plant food,
and feed the plants with essential plant nutrients.
Rhizobia convert free nitrogen
into a form that the plants can use in order to grow.
s. Bacillus thuringiensis(Bt), has
insecticidal properties and is used to control plant pests.
t. The "average" American; that is,
the one eating his or her daily "meat and
chemicals" diet, carries in their large intestine
alone 4-4 1/2 lbs of bacteria, or
1x10 18 , that is, more bacteria in their large
intestine than there are cells in their
body! http://www.alchemycalpages.com/infectious2.html
u. maintain our atmosphere -
Cyanobacteria (formerly known as blue-green
algae) live in water, where they produce large
amounts of the oxygen we breathe.
********
Here are some pages on the positive things about
bacteria (Of course the webpages buy into the
idea that viruses & bacteria 'cause' disease -
but that is one track that was taken back a few
hundred years ago and there are others who did not have the perspective.)
http://www.microbeworld.org/index.php?o ... &Itemid=59
http://www.microbeworld.org/index.php?o ... &Itemid=66
- some of how 'they' explain differences between bacteria & viruses
******
VIRUSES
I don't know if there are such things as viruses
as they have explained it to us
If there are such things as viruses, I don't know
that they 'cause' illness in everyone
If there are such things as viruses, I don't know
that they 'cause' illness in some
If there are such things as viruses, they may be
doing an important job helping to repair DNA, etc
If there are such things as viruses & they are
doing an important job, then we aren't helping by trying to destroy them.
If there are such things as viruses, are they
spread around? Is that a bad thing? Are they doing an important job?
Are the childhood illnesses situations where the
body has a chance to get rid of toxins and
disturbances inherited, acquired while in utero,
acquired at delivery and early life?
Are these viral caused? Something else that we
don't understand yet - a wave of energy, or something stimulating it.
Are they early challenges of some sort to help
build the immune system - idea that everything
has a purpose on this planet and is doing a job
that is necessary - nature is not against us
Do foreign viruses, injected into us from other
animals or humans, cause problems, whereas
naturally produced ones are doing a job?
http://www.alchemycalpages.com/infectious2.html
INFECTIOUS ILLNESS.
Part 2 excerpt
"Now, no-one in their right mind, in seeing the
body of a dead mouse covered with thousands of
ants, would ever conclude that the swarm of ants
were responsible for killing the mouse. No, the
ants are eating and cleaning up and removing the
decaying flesh of the already dead mouse.
Conversely, no-one on their right mind would
conclude that if we pour some insect killer on
the swarm of ants in an attempt to eliminate them
would restore life to the dead mouse.
Yet, it is thought axiomatic today, in the
scientific medical community, that if evidence of
the presence of viruses or bacteria are found in
an ill-person's body, that the virus or bacteria
is the cause of the illness. This is analogous to
concluding that because we find a swarm of ants
consuming the body of a dead animal, the ants killed the animal."
"Therefore, finding more and more powerful
antibiotics or anti-viral agents to kill the
bacteria or virus will do absolutely nothing to
help promote the revitalization and regeneration
of the decaying organ or tissue being "mopped-up" by the bacteria or virus."
Further links
Also might want to read (of course I DON'T agree
with everything below, and some I haven't made my mind up about yet):
Dr Stefan Lanka exposes the "Viral Fraud" (from
2002 - on purportedly existing "diseasecausing viruses" in general):
http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm
Interview with Stefan Lanka on "bird flu" etc 27.10.2005:
http://www.whale.to/b/lanka.html or
http://liamscheff.com/2006/02/there-is- ... irologist/
An article by Stefan Lanka, 01.03.2006, "Are
there and can there be diseasecausing viruses"
(written in particular with a view to that big
hoax about there existing a "bird flu virus"):
http://www.whale.to/b/lanka7.html
more from Stefan Lanka o- http://www.whale.to/a/lanka_h.html
http://www.homeoint.org/books4/close/chapter06.htm
The Genius of Homeopathy
Lectures and Essays on Homeopathic Philosophy
By Dr Stuart M. CLOSE
Presented by Médi-T
Chapter VI
Life, Health and Disease
http://freespace.virgin.net/ahcare.qua/ ... tions.html
Viral Infections
What do we know?
by Dr Patrick Quanten MD
Here are websites on natural hygiene (they don't buy into the germ theory)
Here are some websites
http://naturalhygienesociety.org/
http://www.doctoryourself.com/natural_hygiene.html
www.whale.to/vaccines/shelton1.html
www.drbass.com/disease-cure.html
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyg ... 27.toc.htm
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyg ... inaion.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/200902111657 ... child.html
http://web.archive.org/web/201011151615 ... heory.html
(archived here, but original webpage gone)
A Faulty Medical Model: The Germ Theory
http://whale.to/a/b/pearson.html
THE DREAM AND LIE OF LOUIS PASTEUR
by R. B. Pearson
http://web.archive.org/web/200904091111 ... icles.html
archived here
Many interesting articles by Ian Sinclair
He is right on!
Germs - The Mistaken Enemy
Immunity - A Medical Myth
Vaccination - A False Premise
Life-Long Immunity - No Such Thing
Infectious Disease - A Misnomer
Immunological Memory Is Not Enough
The Immune System - Its True Role
New Cough Vaccine!
You Can't Build A Brick House Without The Bricks
Safe Vaccines - What's The Point?
What The Game Is All About
Hepatitis - The Liver Cure
http://tinyurl.com/yf6bq5
http://www.newtreatments.org/
Synthesis of the Work of Enderlein, Bechamps and other Pleomorphic Researchers
http://whale.to/v/pleomorphism.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/201004172022 ... ism-1.html
PLEOMORPHISM
(I'm not in agreement with isopathics which they
have a link to toward the bottom & associate with this)
also google on pleomorphism
http://web.archive.org/web/201012181417 ... isms-1.htm
Pasteur or Bechamp? Pleomorphic Organisms
Part~1
Ivor Hughes
Nature Cure
Philosophy & Practice Based on the Unity of Disease & Cure
Henry Lindlahr, M.D.
TWENTIETH EDITION
Published by The Nature Cure Publishing Company
525 South Ashland Boulevard, Chicago
1922
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/20 ... _virus.htm
July 05, 2003
Hepatitis C epidemic - where is the virus?
http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/terrain/l ... dicine.htm
The Lost History of Medicine
Sick and Tired?: Reclaim Your Inner Terrain
Lots on that issue and how to eat more
healthfully created a more alkaline environment
BOOK here - excellent for this information - I
don't agree that all should be vegetarian and
also don't agree with pH numbers he says we
should attain - from my study a pH of 6.4 in urine and saliva is the aim
US
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN% ... 07-9909426
UK
CANADA
So, that’s my offering of ideas and resources for further information for now!
Lot’s to think about and contemplate
Sheri
--------------------------------------------------------
copyright Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath, May 2012
http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com vaccinedangers@gmail.com
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ &
http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases
Next classes start April 5
I agree that undoubtedly there are micro organisms that do an absolutely vital job and in fact keep us healthy.
There are also those people who are carriers who have germs associated with typhoid, meningitis, salmonella etc, but are perfectly symptom free! These guys are NOT susceptible.
I loved your analogy. That we find emergency crews at the scene of accidents so it would be short-sighted to conclude that the accidents are caused by emergency crews especially because we do not normally witness accidents at police, fire, ambulance stations!
However, if we were to take the live micro-organism associated with any particular disease, to a 'healthy' person and inject them or spray their face with it, it is very likely that they would catch that disease. Hence the example of the smallpox laden blankets.
This kind of experience has been witnessed so many times - from the European black plagues to other events such as the London Cholera (with a contaminated water stand has the source) - and for example measles and chickenpox parties that young kids were taken to - where germs are transferred from one person by touch or by air-borne organisms.
Even Hn mentions this kind of the fact.
So I repeat, for most acute diseases, we need Susceptibility + an Agent.
This agent does not necessarily needs to be a micro organism - for example shock or fright might bring about symptoms, like a heart attack or even menstruation to be suppressed!
Kind regards
Soroush
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I wrote this some time ago & just revised some links...........
BACTERIA/VIRUSES/?DISEASE
Hi all,
It is difficult on this list to be always
addressing this issue - DO BACTERIA or VIRUSES "CAUSE" disease???
I will try to explain when I answer emails from
now on, from both perspectives - as if they do
'cause' disease and as if they don't 'cause' disease.
But I wanted to write up something specific and
share links to other ways of looking at this -
that bacteria & viruses do NOT 'cause' disease.
Something is likely 'spread' - the energy of the
illness, something stimulating release of toxins
that is healthy (the illness of chickenpox,
measles, etc). Something happens in childhood
illnesses that might be very necessary for
development of the immune system - but are the
bacteria or viruses the cause?? Are they only
present? Are they doing a job cleaning up? Is
the illness important as it is the body's way of
getting rid of toxins inherited and acquired in utero and early life?
I am now writing up some of my ideas about germs, viruses, disease
So, whether or not it is bacteria or viruses that
are spreading something, the fact remains that
something is communicated from one to another - somehow, someway.
And it is the susceptibility of the person, the
terrain, the state of the mind, body spirit, that
matters when it comes to staying healthy or becoming ill.
The symptoms of chickenpox exist and seem to
spread through schools, families and neighborhoods
The symptoms of measles, rubella, mumps, &
pertussis, exist and seem to spread through schools, families & neighborhoods
But does the above mean that a bacteria or virus
CAUSES them? No. Does the existence of a
bacteria or virus mean that it causes
it? NO. Because they are detected to be there
does not mean they CAUSED it. Just because I am
found at the scene of a car accident and am
trying to help, does not mean that I caused
it. Because bacteria come to a stagnant pond and
is cleaning it up, does mean that the bacteria
caused the stagnant pond. They are there doing a
job. Maybe the job is related to the illness, maybe not.
The symptoms of poliomyelitis are very different
- see my http://www.geocities.com/harpub for info
on proof that polio was NOT infectious - did not
spread from contacts, but was a toxic situation
The smallpox situation is likely similar to the polio situation above.
BUT much has become invested in the germ theory
and that bacteria and viruses cause illness - an
entrenched belief system that now makes lots of
money for researchers, the medical industry
including doctors, hospitals, insurance
companies, drug and vaccine companies and every industry related to these.
It will be very difficult to ever find the truth
about all of this, at this point in
time. Misinterpretation & absolute lies have
tainted everything and likely we will never
recover the truth until we are destroyed.
A lot of this has to do with your worldview - are
we part of a world that is purposeful and all
things work to support life and health and we are
part of that world - symbiosis. OR is the world
a dangerous place where all kinds of things are
out to get us. Things that are separate from us,
harmful, dangerous. US and THEM. We have been
programmed, especially in the last 100 years to
fear disease and many things - it has been
implanted it into the consciousness of all of us
- why has this been done? Always look to 'who
benefits' when you are questioning what someone
is telling you. This type of propaganda that
produces fear of disease is about greed. It can
be used to reduce knowledge, compassion,
understanding. It can be used to cause people to
separate from each other. It divides us. Maybe
we need to help the bacteria or virus (if it is
doing a job) do its job more effectively. Help
instead of fight it. We have a war mentality
going on in every aspect of our life - fight
it. This goes back, in part, to the time of
Descartes (& before) - separation of the mind,
body and spirit. We are separate from the
planet, we are separate from each other.
BACTERIA
I know that bacteria live on & in our bodies all the time
Many/most of those are doing a job that is
important - symbiotic (mutually beneficial)
bacteria are instrumental in digestion, vitamin
production, and other good work.
a: producing vitamins (bacteria in the
human gut produce vitamin K ) - Escherichia coli
(a.k.a. E. coli) lives in the gut, where it helps
digest food and produces Vitamin K
Healthy bacteria are needed to
help with digestion as they produce enzymes
which, help to break down food. Some species
of bacteria also produce B Complex
Vitamins and assist in their assimilation by the
intestines. Healthy bacteria also perform
"house- cleaning" duties like
helping to repair the intestinal mucosa lining the intestinal walls.
b: live on our skin and protect us
from many harmful agents. The drier areas, like
the back, have few microbes; moist areas, such
as under the arm, have many more
c. In the body - consume and mop up
dead and decaying matter - cleaning up toxic situation
Bacteria in some cases produce
toxins while doing these jobs and these may be
what makes us sick if we are sickly all
ready. Is that the bacteria's
fault? Or is that the fault of the terrain -
that it is so weakened and so sickly that it
can't tolerate something normal
going on in the body - bacteria breaking down dead stuff
d. one of the indicators or
symptoms that an organ or tissue is undergoing
pathogenic changes, the causes of which have
little to do with the presence or absence of the viruses or bacteria.
e. maintain our atmosphere -
Cyanobacteria (formerly known as blue-green
algae) live in water, where they produce large
amounts of the oxygen we breathe.
f. Lactobacillus bulgaricus helps
turn milk into cheese, yogurt, and other dairy
products. Lactobacillus turns lactose, the sugar
in milk, into lactic acid that
wards off microbes that cause spoilage.
g. Bacillus thuringiensis is also
know as "Bt." This common soil bacterium acts
as a natural pest-killer in gardens and on crops.
h. Propionibacterium
freudenreichii - This bacterium produces carbon
dioxide gas bubbles that burst in ripening
cheese, leaving this cheese's trademark holes.
i. Xanthomonas campestris -
produces a slimy outer couting called xanthan.
Xanthan gum is used as a thickening and
stabilizing agent in many common
products including water-based paints and cosmetics.
j. Saccharomyces is also known as
Baker's Yeast because it is used to make bread
rise. This fungus also breaks down the
natural sugars in grains or other
starchy ingredients into carbon dioxide and ethanol (a.k.a. alcohol).
k. Methanotrophs eat methane gas to
clean up hazardous waste dumps and landfills.
These methane-munching bacteria make
an enzyme that can break down more than
250 nasty pollutants into harmless molecules. By
piping methane into the soil, we
can increase growth of the
methanotrophs that normally live in the polluted
soil. More methanotrophs means faster pollution break up.
l. Acetobacter modifies glucose,
making vitamin C as a by-product.
m. Arbuscular is part of a
soil-living fungus family. This fungus helps
crops take up nutrients from the soil.
n. Saccharomyces carlsbergensis -
This fungus breaks down the natural sugars in
grains to form ethanol and carbon dioxide (a.k.a. beer).
o. Pseudomonas cleans waste from
sewage water at water treatment plants.
p. Acidophilus bacteria breaks down
sugars and carbohydrates in milk, turning it into
yogurt. This process is called fermentation.
q. Bacteria are what decompose and
use up dead plant and animal matter.
r. Certain species of bacteria that
live on the roots of plants actually "fix"
nitrogen from the air, convert it to plant food,
and feed the plants with essential plant nutrients.
Rhizobia convert free nitrogen
into a form that the plants can use in order to grow.
s. Bacillus thuringiensis(Bt), has
insecticidal properties and is used to control plant pests.
t. The "average" American; that is,
the one eating his or her daily "meat and
chemicals" diet, carries in their large intestine
alone 4-4 1/2 lbs of bacteria, or
1x10 18 , that is, more bacteria in their large
intestine than there are cells in their
body! http://www.alchemycalpages.com/infectious2.html
u. maintain our atmosphere -
Cyanobacteria (formerly known as blue-green
algae) live in water, where they produce large
amounts of the oxygen we breathe.
********
Here are some pages on the positive things about
bacteria (Of course the webpages buy into the
idea that viruses & bacteria 'cause' disease -
but that is one track that was taken back a few
hundred years ago and there are others who did not have the perspective.)
http://www.microbeworld.org/index.php?o ... &Itemid=59
http://www.microbeworld.org/index.php?o ... &Itemid=66
- some of how 'they' explain differences between bacteria & viruses
******
VIRUSES
I don't know if there are such things as viruses
as they have explained it to us
If there are such things as viruses, I don't know
that they 'cause' illness in everyone
If there are such things as viruses, I don't know
that they 'cause' illness in some
If there are such things as viruses, they may be
doing an important job helping to repair DNA, etc
If there are such things as viruses & they are
doing an important job, then we aren't helping by trying to destroy them.
If there are such things as viruses, are they
spread around? Is that a bad thing? Are they doing an important job?
Are the childhood illnesses situations where the
body has a chance to get rid of toxins and
disturbances inherited, acquired while in utero,
acquired at delivery and early life?
Are these viral caused? Something else that we
don't understand yet - a wave of energy, or something stimulating it.
Are they early challenges of some sort to help
build the immune system - idea that everything
has a purpose on this planet and is doing a job
that is necessary - nature is not against us
Do foreign viruses, injected into us from other
animals or humans, cause problems, whereas
naturally produced ones are doing a job?
http://www.alchemycalpages.com/infectious2.html
INFECTIOUS ILLNESS.
Part 2 excerpt
"Now, no-one in their right mind, in seeing the
body of a dead mouse covered with thousands of
ants, would ever conclude that the swarm of ants
were responsible for killing the mouse. No, the
ants are eating and cleaning up and removing the
decaying flesh of the already dead mouse.
Conversely, no-one on their right mind would
conclude that if we pour some insect killer on
the swarm of ants in an attempt to eliminate them
would restore life to the dead mouse.
Yet, it is thought axiomatic today, in the
scientific medical community, that if evidence of
the presence of viruses or bacteria are found in
an ill-person's body, that the virus or bacteria
is the cause of the illness. This is analogous to
concluding that because we find a swarm of ants
consuming the body of a dead animal, the ants killed the animal."
"Therefore, finding more and more powerful
antibiotics or anti-viral agents to kill the
bacteria or virus will do absolutely nothing to
help promote the revitalization and regeneration
of the decaying organ or tissue being "mopped-up" by the bacteria or virus."
Further links
Also might want to read (of course I DON'T agree
with everything below, and some I haven't made my mind up about yet):
Dr Stefan Lanka exposes the "Viral Fraud" (from
2002 - on purportedly existing "diseasecausing viruses" in general):
http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm
Interview with Stefan Lanka on "bird flu" etc 27.10.2005:
http://www.whale.to/b/lanka.html or
http://liamscheff.com/2006/02/there-is- ... irologist/
An article by Stefan Lanka, 01.03.2006, "Are
there and can there be diseasecausing viruses"
(written in particular with a view to that big
hoax about there existing a "bird flu virus"):
http://www.whale.to/b/lanka7.html
more from Stefan Lanka o- http://www.whale.to/a/lanka_h.html
http://www.homeoint.org/books4/close/chapter06.htm
The Genius of Homeopathy
Lectures and Essays on Homeopathic Philosophy
By Dr Stuart M. CLOSE
Presented by Médi-T
Chapter VI
Life, Health and Disease
http://freespace.virgin.net/ahcare.qua/ ... tions.html
Viral Infections
What do we know?
by Dr Patrick Quanten MD
Here are websites on natural hygiene (they don't buy into the germ theory)
Here are some websites
http://naturalhygienesociety.org/
http://www.doctoryourself.com/natural_hygiene.html
www.whale.to/vaccines/shelton1.html
www.drbass.com/disease-cure.html
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyg ... 27.toc.htm
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyg ... inaion.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/200902111657 ... child.html
http://web.archive.org/web/201011151615 ... heory.html
(archived here, but original webpage gone)
A Faulty Medical Model: The Germ Theory
http://whale.to/a/b/pearson.html
THE DREAM AND LIE OF LOUIS PASTEUR
by R. B. Pearson
http://web.archive.org/web/200904091111 ... icles.html
archived here
Many interesting articles by Ian Sinclair
He is right on!
Germs - The Mistaken Enemy
Immunity - A Medical Myth
Vaccination - A False Premise
Life-Long Immunity - No Such Thing
Infectious Disease - A Misnomer
Immunological Memory Is Not Enough
The Immune System - Its True Role
New Cough Vaccine!
You Can't Build A Brick House Without The Bricks
Safe Vaccines - What's The Point?
What The Game Is All About
Hepatitis - The Liver Cure
http://tinyurl.com/yf6bq5
http://www.newtreatments.org/
Synthesis of the Work of Enderlein, Bechamps and other Pleomorphic Researchers
http://whale.to/v/pleomorphism.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/201004172022 ... ism-1.html
PLEOMORPHISM
(I'm not in agreement with isopathics which they
have a link to toward the bottom & associate with this)
also google on pleomorphism
http://web.archive.org/web/201012181417 ... isms-1.htm
Pasteur or Bechamp? Pleomorphic Organisms
Part~1
Ivor Hughes
Nature Cure
Philosophy & Practice Based on the Unity of Disease & Cure
Henry Lindlahr, M.D.
TWENTIETH EDITION
Published by The Nature Cure Publishing Company
525 South Ashland Boulevard, Chicago
1922
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/20 ... _virus.htm
July 05, 2003
Hepatitis C epidemic - where is the virus?
http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/terrain/l ... dicine.htm
The Lost History of Medicine
Sick and Tired?: Reclaim Your Inner Terrain
Lots on that issue and how to eat more
healthfully created a more alkaline environment
BOOK here - excellent for this information - I
don't agree that all should be vegetarian and
also don't agree with pH numbers he says we
should attain - from my study a pH of 6.4 in urine and saliva is the aim
US
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN% ... 07-9909426
UK
CANADA
So, that’s my offering of ideas and resources for further information for now!
Lot’s to think about and contemplate
Sheri
--------------------------------------------------------
copyright Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath, May 2012
http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com vaccinedangers@gmail.com
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ &
http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases
Next classes start April 5

