case - rubric please

Rochelle Marsden · Post by **Rochelle Marsden** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:43 am

Hi I have a difficult case and wondered anyone could help me with some rubrics.

Background Woman 66 came to me last month after coming out of hospital with chest infection and diagnosis of COPD. She had lots of physicals , lots of post nasal drip which she thinks is causing the hoarse voice, indigestion, heart burn , all day nausea. First remedy I gave was Ignatia (grief ) - not much progress if any. Kali Bich helped the mucus a bit. Last time I saw her she went on about burning- burning with sciatica, eyes, heartburn. Throat feels like fishbone in it. I gave Arsenicum, mainly because of the anxiety and burning on 18th April. The nausea went away for 5 days and is back today but despondency has not improved. Mucus is now not sticky more like catarrh. Am going to send her water potency of Ars to take daily (5 succussions 5 drops). I am worried about the constant nausea and heartburn Sx and have told her to get the all clear from her GP.
She wakes in the morning feeling despondent that lasts all day ("like when I lost my husband 3 years ago") . On pushing her she says it’s like a fight or flight feeling and it is this I would like any ideas of rubrics for.
Thanks

Post by **Soroush Ebrahimi** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:14 pm

Dear Rochelle
The fight/flight feeling is a state of high agitation - I think the nearest we have to it is EXCITMENT which has a large rubric, but Excitement Morning has 19 remedies.
If you cross these with 'Sensations as if' of Fishbone in the throat, you end up with LACH only!
Good luck

Soroush
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Subject: [Minutus] case - rubric please
Hi I have a difficult case and wondered anyone could help me with some rubrics.

Background Woman 66 came to me last month after coming out of hospital with chest infection and diagnosis of COPD. She had lots of physicals , lots of post nasal drip which she thinks is causing the hoarse voice, indigestion, heart burn , all day nausea. First remedy I gave was Ignatia (grief ) - not much progress if any. Kali Bich helped the mucus a bit. Last time I saw her she went on about burning- burning with sciatica, eyes, heartburn. Throat feels like fishbone in it. I gave Arsenicum, mainly because of the anxiety and burning on 18th April. The nausea went away for 5 days and is back today but despondency has not improved. Mucus is now not sticky more like catarrh. Am going to send her water potency of Ars to take daily (5 succussions 5 drops). I am worried about the constant nausea and heartburn Sx and have told her to get the all clear from her GP.
She wakes in the morning feeling despondent that lasts all day ("like when I lost my husband 3 years ago") . On pushing her she says it’s like a fight or flight feeling and it is this I would like any ideas of rubrics for.
Thanks

Rochelle Marsden · Post by **Rochelle Marsden** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:28 pm

Thanks for that Soroush. I note that Arsenicum is in that rubric but more interestingly is that Lyco is black type and that is the remedy that is coming out as the top remedy when I rep. However I do not see her as a Lycopodium person. I need to ask more questions but unfortunately she wasn’t in when I just phoned. She didn’t actually mention the fish bone sensation when she phoned this morning and I didn’t have my case notes on me to ask her the questions I should have done.

I shall send her the Ars in a water potency to be going on with and see if that at least gets rid of the nausea again. It has made improvements to the nasal discharge as well so I live in hope J.
Regards,
Rochelle
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Dear Rochelle
The fight/flight feeling is a state of high agitation - I think the nearest we have to it is EXCITMENT which has a large rubric, but Excitement Morning has 19 remedies.
If you cross these with 'Sensations as if' of Fishbone in the throat, you end up with LACH only!
Good luck

Soroush
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Sent: 26 April 2012 10:44
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Subject: [Minutus] case - rubric please
Hi I have a difficult case and wondered anyone could help me with some rubrics.

Background Woman 66 came to me last month after coming out of hospital with chest infection and diagnosis of COPD. She had lots of physicals , lots of post nasal drip which she thinks is causing the hoarse voice, indigestion, heart burn , all day nausea. First remedy I gave was Ignatia (grief ) - not much progress if any. Kali Bich helped the mucus a bit. Last time I saw her she went on about burning- burning with sciatica, eyes, heartburn. Throat feels like fishbone in it. I gave Arsenicum, mainly because of the anxiety and burning on 18th April. The nausea went away for 5 days and is back today but despondency has not improved. Mucus is now not sticky more like catarrh. Am going to send her water potency of Ars to take daily (5 succussions 5 drops). I am worried about the constant nausea and heartburn Sx and have told her to get the all clear from her GP.
She wakes in the morning feeling despondent that lasts all day ("like when I lost my husband 3 years ago") . On pushing her she says it’s like a fight or flight feeling and it is this I would like any ideas of rubrics for.
Thanks

ukhomoeopath · Post by **ukhomoeopath** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:44 pm

Hello Rochelle

Have you tried Ipecac 30c?

All the best
Regards
Mohamed Caffoor
http://www.ukhomeopathy.co.uk

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Rochelle Marsden · Post by **Rochelle Marsden** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:49 pm

Dear Mohamed,
I haven’t tried Ipec , basically because it doesn’t come up for the rest of the case although I agree it may be a quick fix but also it could act suppressively as this is rather a complicated case.
Thanks
Rochelle
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Hello Rochelle

Have you tried Ipecac 30c?

All the best
Regards
Mohamed Caffoor
http://www.ukhomeopathy.co.uk

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Post by **Soroush Ebrahimi** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:24 pm

Dear Mohammad
As one of the roles of Minutus is the increase in the knowledge of colleagues, please advise how you would justify your suggestion of Ip? How does IP cover the totality of the patient's symptoms?
Rgds

Soroush
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Subject: [Minutus] Re: case - rubric please
Hello Rochelle

Have you tried Ipecac 30c?

All the best
Regards
Mohamed Caffoor
http://www.ukhomeopathy.co.uk

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geo · Post by **geo** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:26 pm

I agree that this manner of crossing rubrics can bring interesting
candidates. I use this method also, but
I can't help thinking that the resulting remedy will not nescessarily be
even close to the similimum. The
reason, IMO, is that a Particular rubric of the proper remedy could not have
been repertorized yet - so it will not show up.
Or a Particular "small" rubric that indicates a candidate does not
nescessarily belong to the real similimum.
-geo-

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Subject: RE: [Minutus] case - rubric please
Dear Rochelle
The fight/flight feeling is a state of high agitation - I think the nearest
we have to it is EXCITMENT which has a large rubric, but Excitement Morning
has 19 remedies.
If you cross these with 'Sensations as if' of Fishbone in the throat, you
end up with LACH only!
Good luck

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
rochelle Marsden
Sent: 26 April 2012 10:44
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] case - rubric please
Hi I have a difficult case and wondered anyone could help me with some
rubrics.

Background Woman 66 came to me last month after coming out of hospital with
chest infection and diagnosis of COPD. She had lots of physicals , lots of
post nasal drip which she thinks is causing the hoarse voice, indigestion,
heart burn , all day nausea. First remedy I gave was Ignatia (grief ) - not
much progress if any. Kali Bich helped the mucus a bit. Last time I saw her
she went on about burning- burning with sciatica, eyes, heartburn. Throat
feels like fishbone in it. I gave Arsenicum, mainly because of the anxiety
and burning on 18th April. The nausea went away for 5 days and is back today
but despondency has not improved. Mucus is now not sticky more like catarrh.
Am going to send her water potency of Ars to take daily (5 succussions 5
drops). I am worried about the constant nausea and heartburn Sx and have
told her to get the all clear from her GP.
She wakes in the morning feeling despondent that lasts all day ("like when I
lost my husband 3 years ago") . On pushing her she says it’s like a fight or
flight feeling and it is this I would like any ideas of rubrics for.
Thanks
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Lynn Cremona · Post by **Lynn Cremona** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:42 pm

How has she described her fight or flight symptoms.

Lynn
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ukhomoeopath · Post by **ukhomoeopath** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:50 pm

Dear Soroush,

Ipecac covers hoarseness, constriciton of the chest but more importantly for me is the fact that since Rochelle has tried Ars , I would have gone with Ipecac to help with the nausea.

There was a spell of Gastroenteritis here in the UK last year and Ipecac worked like magic. Patients came up to me saying that their nausea feeling would disappear within 10 mins.
Of course they were on Ipecac for a few days - taken everytime they felt nauseous.
Ars will not help as much, and one of the patients also found it difficult to breath.

Hope that helps

take care
Salaams
Mohamed
http://www.ukhomeopathy.co.uk
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geo · Post by **geo** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:22 pm

OOPS.... sorry about my naivity. I thought you where going to cross
the rubrics and pull the remedy out from it... just like that. Obviously
that is not what you are doing as you are well aware of the limitations
of such proceedure.
I am new here... so sorry again.
-geo-
I agree that this manner of crossing rubrics can bring interesting
candidates. I use this method also, but
I can't help thinking that the resulting remedy will not nescessarily be
even close to the similimum. The
reason, IMO, is that a Particular rubric of the proper remedy could not have
been repertorized yet - so it will not show up.
Or a Particular "small" rubric that indicates a candidate does not
nescessarily belong to the real similimum.
-geo-

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Subject: RE: [Minutus] case - rubric please

Dear Rochelle

The fight/flight feeling is a state of high agitation - I think the nearest
we have to it is EXCITMENT which has a large rubric, but Excitement Morning
has 19 remedies.

If you cross these with 'Sensations as if' of Fishbone in the throat, you
end up with LACH only!

Good luck

Soroush

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rochelle Marsden
Sent: 26 April 2012 10:44
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Subject: [Minutus] case - rubric please

Hi I have a difficult case and wondered anyone could help me with some
rubrics.

Background Woman 66 came to me last month after coming out of hospital with
chest infection and diagnosis of COPD. She had lots of physicals , lots of
post nasal drip which she thinks is causing the hoarse voice, indigestion,
heart burn , all day nausea. First remedy I gave was Ignatia (grief ) - not
much progress if any. Kali Bich helped the mucus a bit. Last time I saw her
she went on about burning- burning with sciatica, eyes, heartburn. Throat
feels like fishbone in it. I gave Arsenicum, mainly because of the anxiety
and burning on 18th April. The nausea went away for 5 days and is back today
but despondency has not improved. Mucus is now not sticky more like catarrh.
Am going to send her water potency of Ars to take daily (5 succussions 5
drops). I am worried about the constant nausea and heartburn Sx and have
told her to get the all clear from her GP.
She wakes in the morning feeling despondent that lasts all day ("like when I
lost my husband 3 years ago") . On pushing her she says it’s like a fight or
flight feeling and it is this I would like any ideas of rubrics for.
Thanks

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