Mixing C acute with LM constitutional

[healthinfo6]

Anyone know if taking a C30 or C200 for an acute while taking LM daily, here LM7 is conflicting? Don't take LM same day as C?
Looking to take Ferrum Metallicum for possible rotator cuff tear or similar pain which worked well a few years ago on other shoulder.
Thanks to Marco Franzreb for that recommendation back then on 10/20/08
Arnica gel not working.
Susan

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear Susan
Of course of an acute needs to be treated homeopathically during the course of 'constitutional' treatment, the constitutional treatment MUST stop.
However, the constitutional LM should have stopped at the first signs of symptoms coming out!
David Little has written extensively on the use of LMs and dos and don'ts. Suggest you read up.
Rgds

Soroush
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Subject: [Minutus] Mixing C acute with LM constitutional
Anyone know if taking a C30 or C200 for an acute while taking LM daily, here LM7 is conflicting? Don't take LM same day as C?
Looking to take Ferrum Metallicum for possible rotator cuff tear or similar pain which worked well a few years ago on other shoulder.
Thanks to Marco Franzreb for that recommendation back then on 10/20/08
Arnica gel not working.
Susan

[healthinfo6]

Thanks Soroush, I just took a 2nd water dose of 200C Ferrum Metallicum which is working great to reduce sharp referred pain and gain back range of motion. Another couple of doses should do it.
This isn[t an acute due to constitutional treatment but from lifiting and throwing around some heavy boxes.
Susan

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

In my view, you should stop the LM while on Fer-m.
LM's should not be taken routinely, but only as and when needed.
Read up David Little's work. It is on the net.

Soroush
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Mixing C acute with LM constitutional
Thanks Soroush, I just took a 2nd water dose of 200C Ferrum Metallicum which is working great to reduce sharp referred pain and gain back range of motion. Another couple of doses should do it.
This isn[t an acute due to constitutional treatment but from lifiting and throwing around some heavy boxes.
Susan

[healthinfo6]

Soroush,
This 2nd dose of Ferrum Metallicum is working faster. I now feel some twitching in the muscle, vibration in the shoulder, upper arm area and pain lessening. Maybe I'll only need one more dose of 200C.
I appreciate your concern on the LM dosage. I can assure you, my LM Dr. Luc trained homeopath says daily it is until noticing aggravation approaching then back off, and it is working very well.
Haven't you noticed?
Susan

[healthinfo6]

Soroush,
Why read David Little when you can read Hahnemann?
If you do, you'll see taking LM daily in long term chronic diseases IS encouraged.
§ 248 Sixth Edition
For this purpose, we potentize anew the medicinal solution1 (with perhaps 8, 10, 12 succussions) from which we give the patient one or (increasingly) several teaspoonful doses, in long lasting diseases daily or every second day, in acute diseases every two to six hours and in very urgent cases every hour or oftener. Thus in chronic diseases, every correctly chosen homœopathic medicine, even those whose action is of long duration, may be repeated daily for months with ever increasing success
Having a wonderful amelioration after a remedy induced acute, so haven't been taking any LM for a week.
Starting LM8 shortly.
It's not too hard once you follow directions and don't improvise!
Regards,
Susan

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear Susan
What Hn states is absolutely correct. However, Hn has also shown us that we must OBSERVE the symptoms generated by the Vital Force.
If I may use an analogy from a car.
Let us assume that the engine of an old car is faulty.

We have done some repairs on it and now needs fine tuning.
We turn the starter, the engine fires, but we note immediately that this running is not smooth.
There are only two options:

1- Turn the engine off (Antidote) And re-check the engine's settings (i.e. retake the case)

2- Start re-tuning the engine - for example with the engine's timing or its air/fuel mixture.
What we do not do, is turn the starter whilst the engine is running.
In a similar situation with a patient, if there is improvement in the patient, there is no need to further stimulate the VF. It will ask for it when it needs it. This observation by the homeopath and the patient, teaches the patient to be mindful of their own symptoms and recognise when their state of health is on the ebb.
I cannot recall the foot note, but in one of the footnotes he does mention words to the effect of 'as and when needed'.
Be sure of one thing - David Little has done a tremendous amount of work on Hn's writings and his Paris notes.

Do not forget that Hn could not get Organon 6 published in his own life time, but carried on making his notes.
Rgds

Soroush
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Mixing C acute with LM constitutional
Soroush,
Why read David Little when you can read Hahnemann?
If you do, you'll see taking LM daily in long term chronic diseases IS encouraged.

§ 248 Sixth Edition

For this purpose, we potentize anew the medicinal solution1 (with perhaps 8, 10, 12 succussions) from which we give the patient one or (increasingly) several teaspoonful doses, in long lasting diseases daily or every second day, in acute diseases every two to six hours and in very urgent cases every hour or oftener. Thus in chronic diseases, every correctly chosen homœopathic medicine, even those whose action is of long duration, may be repeated daily for months with ever increasing success
Having a wonderful amelioration after a remedy induced acute, so haven't been taking any LM for a week.

Starting LM8 shortly.
It's not too hard once you follow directions and don't improvise!
Regards,
Susan

[Dale Moss]

Nicely put, Soroush!
Peace,
Dale

[healthinfo6]

My dear Soroush,
What you are saying shows that you are using LM's of the 6th ed. Organon in a 4th edition method, which is incorrect!
C potencies are WAIT and SEE
LM potencies are KEEP GOING, usually DAILY, even during an aggravation.
There is NO way I can be cured of both my inherited chronic miasmatic diseases using 4th edition methods, and I haven't been for 16 years, and why I'm already having some cure-like effects using 6th in 16 weeks.
Regards,
Susan
Do you know who wrote the following?
I think we would be met with blank stares if the above post I mentioned is any indication, so maybe you should tell us what the difference is between the 4th, 5th and 6th ed. of The Organon.
Keep in mind that 90% of the world still practices according to the 4th edition dry dose method.
1. The 4th edition prescriber WANTS a similar aggravation, an aggravation of the patient’s symptoms, since it tells him he has the right remedy (which does not mean OUR wanted simillimum, which is the right remedy, right dose and right potency).
The 5th and 6th edition prescriber wants to minimize and even totally avoid this similar aggravation! You can only imagine what that does to the patient. Let’s say you have an eczema case responding to Mezereum: the picture of such eczema is an extreme violent itching at night, “as if thousands of ants crawling under the skin.” The child is usually in a restraint so as not to scratch himself but usually the patient presents with a face that is one bloody mess, infecting easily…Imagine you aggravate such a child (4th edition): imagine the agony of this child and the parents alike! Does the homeopath think he can keep this patient after the first aggravating dose? Too many patients have been lost forever to homeopathy. Imagine, as I also had, the violent ADHD child that wants to kill his father and sister so he can marry his mother. You aggravate him and he will kill them!
2. The 4th edition prescriber MUST wait after his first dry dose till he is sure that no more improvement of the remedy can be expected, as is dictated in the 4th edition Organon.
The 5th and 6th edition prescriber can redose the patient WHILE having improvement (Aphorism 246), speeding therefore the cure to half or less of the time.
This dosing is more in line with allopathy except for one difference: we always will do a TEST dose (first dose) and check with the patient one day later to determine the interval in which the remedy will be given. As You can see, this is very different from individual to individual which is a must! Some practitioners boast that they use the watery methods but let the patient take a dose every day till the bottle is empty without checking on their patient! This mechanical repetition has NO place in a good homeopathic practice.
So the 4th edition loses much time trying to achieve a cure leading again to a loss of patients which he could have kept had he followed Hahnemann’s last methods.
3. The 4th edition prescriber is deadly afraid of many events/substances cancelling his one time given remedy (first dose) while waiting till the effect has ceased. Therefore he puts many restrictions on his patient regarding diet and allopathic medications, even other modalities like TCM (Acupuncture). Even in the case of cancellation of the remedy during the treatment, the 5th and 6th practitioner repeats the remedy at determined intervals therefore suffers little from these cancellations as each next dose will pick up the action on the Vital Force again..
4. In case of similar aggravation, the advanced prescriber easily adjusts the second dose which can already be given on the third day, not three weeks later as the 4th edition prescriber does. He has many possibilities adjusting the dose (the amount, succussions or potency, 2nd cup, giving drops from the bottle and cup while the only remedy the 4th edition prescriber has is either cancelling the remedy or trying to give a lower potency to slow down the aggravation. Either way is losing time again which is a concern for the patient and the possibility of losing him.
5. The management of homeopathy which is difficult is made much more difficult for the 4th edition prescriber since he has less options available for correction.
6. The watery methods are more sufficient for longtime suppressed cases (through allopathic meds and even homeopathy) and for cases on the border of curability.
No matter what the name of the disease, the 5th and 6th edition prescriber is much more equiped to give the patient what Hahnemann promised in Aphorism 2: A speedy, permanent and gentle cure.
Maybe some of the other homeopaths can tell me why then they still practice according to the 4th edition? Who is stubborn and dogmatic here? There is not one reason except that there is less work for the homeopath but that is a rather selfish reason.

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear Susan
I am pushed for time to give you a full answer.
But please see footnote to Aph 246:

1 What I said in the fifth edition of the Organon, in a long note to this paragraph in order to prevent these undesirable reactions of the vital energy, was all the experience I then had justified. But during the last four or five years, however, all these difficulties are wholly solved by my new altered but perfected method. The same carefully selected medicine may now be given daily and for months, if necessary in this way, namely, after the lower degree of potency has been used for one or two weeks in the treatment of chronic disease, advance is made in the same way to higher degrees, (beginning according to the new dynamization method, taught herewith with the use of the lowest degrees).

Please note that Hn writes that his new potency MAY now be given daily. He does not say MUST!!
Indeed if necessary it may be given more than once a day. Or even more than once an hour in acute cases.
One of the other key points of Hn's development of homeopathy was the concept of MINIMUM dose. That is to say the smallest amount necessary to stimulate the VF. This is an area that needs attention which means we do not blindly push the remedy in the patient. Only as and when needed.
Rgds

Soroush
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Mixing C acute with LM constitutional
My dear Soroush,
What you are saying shows that you are using LM's of the 6th ed. Organon in a 4th edition method, which is incorrect!
C potencies are WAIT and SEE

LM potencies are KEEP GOING, usually DAILY, even during an aggravation.
There is NO way I can be cured of both my inherited chronic miasmatic diseases using 4th edition methods, and I haven't been for 16 years, and why I'm already having some cure-like effects using 6th in 16 weeks.
Regards,
Susan
Do you know who wrote the following?
I think we would be met with blank stares if the above post I mentioned is any indication, so maybe you should tell us what the difference is between the 4th, 5th and 6th ed. of The Organon.
Keep in mind that 90% of the world still practices according to the 4th edition dry dose method.
1. The 4th edition prescriber WANTS a similar aggravation, an aggravation of the patient’s symptoms, since it tells him he has the right remedy (which does not mean OUR wanted simillimum, which is the right remedy, right dose and right potency).
The 5th and 6th edition prescriber wants to minimize and even totally avoid this similar aggravation! You can only imagine what that does to the patient. Let’s say you have an eczema case responding to Mezereum: the picture of such eczema is an extreme violent itching at night, “as if thousands of ants crawling under the skin.” The child is usually in a restraint so as not to scratch himself but usually the patient presents with a face that is one bloody mess, infecting easily…Imagine you aggravate such a child (4th edition): imagine the agony of this child and the parents alike! Does the homeopath think he can keep this patient after the first aggravating dose? Too many patients have been lost forever to homeopathy. Imagine, as I also had, the violent ADHD child that wants to kill his father and sister so he can marry his mother. You aggravate him and he will kill them!
2. The 4th edition prescriber MUST wait after his first dry dose till he is sure that no more improvement of the remedy can be expected, as is dictated in the 4th edition Organon.
The 5th and 6th edition prescriber can redose the patient WHILE having improvement (Aphorism 246), speeding therefore the cure to half or less of the time.
This dosing is more in line with allopathy except for one difference: we always will do a TEST dose (first dose) and check with the patient one day later to determine the interval in which the remedy will be given. As You can see, this is very different from individual to individual which is a must! Some practitioners boast that they use the watery methods but let the patient take a dose every day till the bottle is empty without checking on their patient! This mechanical repetition has NO place in a good homeopathic practice.
So the 4th edition loses much time trying to achieve a cure leading again to a loss of patients which he could have kept had he followed Hahnemann’s last methods.
3. The 4th edition prescriber is deadly afraid of many events/substances cancelling his one time given remedy (first dose) while waiting till the effect has ceased. Therefore he puts many restrictions on his patient regarding diet and allopathic medications, even other modalities like TCM (Acupuncture). Even in the case of cancellation of the remedy during the treatment, the 5th and 6th practitioner repeats the remedy at determined intervals therefore suffers little from these cancellations as each next dose will pick up the action on the Vital Force again..
4. In case of similar aggravation, the advanced prescriber easily adjusts the second dose which can already be given on the third day, not three weeks later as the 4th edition prescriber does. He has many possibilities adjusting the dose (the amount, succussions or potency, 2nd cup, giving drops from the bottle and cup while the only remedy the 4th edition prescriber has is either cancelling the remedy or trying to give a lower potency to slow down the aggravation. Either way is losing time again which is a concern for the patient and the possibility of losing him.
5. The management of homeopathy which is difficult is made much more difficult for the 4th edition prescriber since he has less options available for correction.
6. The watery methods are more sufficient for longtime suppressed cases (through allopathic meds and even homeopathy) and for cases on the border of curability.
No matter what the name of the disease, the 5th and 6th edition prescriber is much more equiped to give the patient what Hahnemann promised in Aphorism 2: A speedy, permanent and gentle cure.
Maybe some of the other homeopaths can tell me why then they still practice according to the 4th edition? Who is stubborn and dogmatic here? There is not one reason except that there is less work for the homeopath but that is a rather selfish reason.