Come sit a Vipassana meditation course (www.dhamma.org) and you can experience within yourself where desires dwell and learn how observing them eradicates them.
Roger
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Varun Gupta wrote:
Where desires dwell
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Varun Gupta
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Re: Where desires dwell
Soroush, to tell you more, even Maya is technically part of God only… So now keep thinking how many parts God has and how incomplete He is with your logics, whims and fancies…
Also to tell you Soroush, I’m not bound to answer your questions, as I’m free to choose to not answer them… So you keep up with your habit to ask me questions and I’ll keep up with mine to not answer you…
And yes, you are free to think, dwell, and tell group that as I’ve not answered your questions, so I in actual am incapable for that and more so my knowledge is not worthy enough…
To give some more circles in your head Soroush, when creation ends both Maya and Spirits rest in God till next creation, as separate entities, retaining their identities, despite they technically being a part of Him only… Now you have got all food to keep on thinking for all your life, so happy thinking to you with your logics, whims and fancies…
Well, if you could notice, above paragraph also tells very clearly, that creation of this universe ends also with a rest period and then creation happens again, answering another quandary whether universe will keep on expanding or it will collapse again to a single point… This quandary is still a quandary for scientists but Indian scriptures tell about real insight from always with proper length of time till creation remains and then time for which things rest in Him before next cycle of creation…
Varun
http://eyevarun.blogspot.com
Also to tell you Soroush, I’m not bound to answer your questions, as I’m free to choose to not answer them… So you keep up with your habit to ask me questions and I’ll keep up with mine to not answer you…
And yes, you are free to think, dwell, and tell group that as I’ve not answered your questions, so I in actual am incapable for that and more so my knowledge is not worthy enough…
To give some more circles in your head Soroush, when creation ends both Maya and Spirits rest in God till next creation, as separate entities, retaining their identities, despite they technically being a part of Him only… Now you have got all food to keep on thinking for all your life, so happy thinking to you with your logics, whims and fancies…
Well, if you could notice, above paragraph also tells very clearly, that creation of this universe ends also with a rest period and then creation happens again, answering another quandary whether universe will keep on expanding or it will collapse again to a single point… This quandary is still a quandary for scientists but Indian scriptures tell about real insight from always with proper length of time till creation remains and then time for which things rest in Him before next cycle of creation…
Varun
http://eyevarun.blogspot.com
Re: Where desires dwell
Varun, Soroush,
I think the thread got carried onto another trajectory- that of God.
Well, the concept of God, or rather of a creator God is always a problem
in philosophy. Buddha , for instance, never accepted God, but
nevertheless, did not also deny God.
Ramana of Thiruvannamalai , South India (Paul Brunton's Guru) said " to
say God is there is foolishness. To say He is not there is another
foolishness. ""
So, God is a topic of convenience only. That is the reason why in the
oldest parts of the Vedas, God is merely an inferred theme and God's
name is conspicuos by its absence. Only the attributes of the supreme is
discussed. Only in the very late Vedic period, Patanjali gave the famous
sentence " Om is His name". Till then only man and liberation from birth
and death were the subject of philosophers.
For us Homeopaths, God topic is needless and is a Hindrance. That will
lead to "my God, your God" discussion since no two has a uniform
understanding of God. So let us move ahead (or backwards) to the level
of desires which are the top most treatable layer of man.
Also, we have the remaining task of defining Vital Force further in
scientifically understandable terminology.
Venkat
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Varun Gupta
wrote:
only…
with
as I'm
to ask me
I've not
so my
both **
entities,
Him
life, so
that
creation
on
quandary is
and
creation…*
I think the thread got carried onto another trajectory- that of God.
Well, the concept of God, or rather of a creator God is always a problem
in philosophy. Buddha , for instance, never accepted God, but
nevertheless, did not also deny God.
Ramana of Thiruvannamalai , South India (Paul Brunton's Guru) said " to
say God is there is foolishness. To say He is not there is another
foolishness. ""
So, God is a topic of convenience only. That is the reason why in the
oldest parts of the Vedas, God is merely an inferred theme and God's
name is conspicuos by its absence. Only the attributes of the supreme is
discussed. Only in the very late Vedic period, Patanjali gave the famous
sentence " Om is His name". Till then only man and liberation from birth
and death were the subject of philosophers.
For us Homeopaths, God topic is needless and is a Hindrance. That will
lead to "my God, your God" discussion since no two has a uniform
understanding of God. So let us move ahead (or backwards) to the level
of desires which are the top most treatable layer of man.
Also, we have the remaining task of defining Vital Force further in
scientifically understandable terminology.
Venkat
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Varun Gupta
wrote:
only…
with
as I'm
to ask me
I've not
so my
both **
entities,
Him
life, so
that
creation
on
quandary is
and
creation…*
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Re: Where desires dwell
Dear Varun
You made very bold claims that the master of homeopathy had made mistakes. I would like to challenge you to give evidence to support your claim.
Please give us your understanding of the following and contrast them with Hn's definitions of these terms:-
- Vital Principle,
- Vital Force and
- Vital Energy.
Good luck
Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Varun Gupta
Sent: 19 July 2011 23:46
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Where desires dwell
Incredible Explanations Venkat…
Atma or Spirit is part of God himself but in clutches of Maya and senses, intellect, will, desire, body etc of all originates from one entity called Maya or Material Energies…
One of the main reasons we and other commentaries mix up Vital Principle, Vital Force and Vital Energy is because Hahnemann himself explained these things erroneously… He has talked of derangement of Vital Force in many of his aphorisms and we all treat this as one of pillars of homeopathy and use same words in our daily homeopathy routine as well as commentaries, but in reality Force can only be less or more and in its derangement or deterioration of Vital Energies… This may not seem so big a mistake at face value, but this very technical fault in his understanding of things and thus telling same to us too gives roots to various problems and makes us oblivious of many real things…
Hahnemann got close in unravelling mysteries but fell short to crack real code, apart from making many errors in his work…
Varun
http://eyevarun.blogspot.com
Ellen, All,
Let me dwell for a moment on a preparatory note for the ultimate science
in as simple words as possible.
Imagine you are visiting your friend whose father has passed away. You
see the friend sitting sadly in front of her father's corpse. On seeing
you the friend cries " may dad has left me ".
What will you reply ? If you say " Hey, why do you cry ? Your father is
still here. See he is lying here " what will be her reaction ? She will
say , "No, this is may father's body. He has left !"
Is it not the moment when the truth strikes us that one is not one's
body ?
You walk home with this truth. And you keep asking " the who is the real
Ellen ?"
If I am not the body, I may be something higher. Am I my senses ? Even
while saying this you negate the question since you said they are ' my
senses'. In the same way, you said ' my mind' and ' my intellect'.
Now as they are all possessions of Ellen, the real Ellen is someone
higher and different from these but yet connected to them. Ellen is the
'Vital Principle' that Hahnemann speaks of (Or the Atma in Sanskrit) .
The inanimate one, capable of no sensation, but yet the owner of
everything.
Ellen's attribute by which she animates the body- senses- mind-
intellect is her "Vital Force" or Prana in Sanskrit. This comes and goes
with the Vital Principle. The former cannot be without the latter. The
Vital Force gives to the quartet the Vital Energy with which the
Totality of Ellen functions.
(In Organon , Hahnemann clearly talks of Vital Principle- Vital Force-
Vital Energy. These three are clearly different. But most commentators
mix them up for one meaning).
Here is a question. How does one know that the body is indeed lower than
the senses and so on ?
Ellen's body cannot recognize its boss, the senses, but the senses can
know feelings in all the five senses viz Eye, Ear, Nose, Mouth, and
skin. So senses are the real higher power.
The mind knows and processes the output of senses but the senses know of
no mind.
In the same way , the intellect controls the mind but the mind does not
even know of the intellect.
Intellect is either the slave or master of desire. If the will power is
great we overcome base instincts. If weak we succumb to them.
Venkat
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com , Ellen Madono wrote:
because
website.
third
a
Acharya of
here )
is
the mind
superior
to the
regarding
his
mental
though
in
take
we treat
. But
the whole
have
You made very bold claims that the master of homeopathy had made mistakes. I would like to challenge you to give evidence to support your claim.
Please give us your understanding of the following and contrast them with Hn's definitions of these terms:-
- Vital Principle,
- Vital Force and
- Vital Energy.
Good luck
Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Varun Gupta
Sent: 19 July 2011 23:46
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Where desires dwell
Incredible Explanations Venkat…
Atma or Spirit is part of God himself but in clutches of Maya and senses, intellect, will, desire, body etc of all originates from one entity called Maya or Material Energies…
One of the main reasons we and other commentaries mix up Vital Principle, Vital Force and Vital Energy is because Hahnemann himself explained these things erroneously… He has talked of derangement of Vital Force in many of his aphorisms and we all treat this as one of pillars of homeopathy and use same words in our daily homeopathy routine as well as commentaries, but in reality Force can only be less or more and in its derangement or deterioration of Vital Energies… This may not seem so big a mistake at face value, but this very technical fault in his understanding of things and thus telling same to us too gives roots to various problems and makes us oblivious of many real things…
Hahnemann got close in unravelling mysteries but fell short to crack real code, apart from making many errors in his work…
Varun
http://eyevarun.blogspot.com
Ellen, All,
Let me dwell for a moment on a preparatory note for the ultimate science
in as simple words as possible.
Imagine you are visiting your friend whose father has passed away. You
see the friend sitting sadly in front of her father's corpse. On seeing
you the friend cries " may dad has left me ".
What will you reply ? If you say " Hey, why do you cry ? Your father is
still here. See he is lying here " what will be her reaction ? She will
say , "No, this is may father's body. He has left !"
Is it not the moment when the truth strikes us that one is not one's
body ?
You walk home with this truth. And you keep asking " the who is the real
Ellen ?"
If I am not the body, I may be something higher. Am I my senses ? Even
while saying this you negate the question since you said they are ' my
senses'. In the same way, you said ' my mind' and ' my intellect'.
Now as they are all possessions of Ellen, the real Ellen is someone
higher and different from these but yet connected to them. Ellen is the
'Vital Principle' that Hahnemann speaks of (Or the Atma in Sanskrit) .
The inanimate one, capable of no sensation, but yet the owner of
everything.
Ellen's attribute by which she animates the body- senses- mind-
intellect is her "Vital Force" or Prana in Sanskrit. This comes and goes
with the Vital Principle. The former cannot be without the latter. The
Vital Force gives to the quartet the Vital Energy with which the
Totality of Ellen functions.
(In Organon , Hahnemann clearly talks of Vital Principle- Vital Force-
Vital Energy. These three are clearly different. But most commentators
mix them up for one meaning).
Here is a question. How does one know that the body is indeed lower than
the senses and so on ?
Ellen's body cannot recognize its boss, the senses, but the senses can
know feelings in all the five senses viz Eye, Ear, Nose, Mouth, and
skin. So senses are the real higher power.
The mind knows and processes the output of senses but the senses know of
no mind.
In the same way , the intellect controls the mind but the mind does not
even know of the intellect.
Intellect is either the slave or master of desire. If the will power is
great we overcome base instincts. If weak we succumb to them.
Venkat
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com , Ellen Madono wrote:
because
website.
third
a
Acharya of
here )
is
the mind
superior
to the
regarding
his
mental
though
in
take
we treat
. But
the whole
have