What's going on??

[Ellen Madono]

Please see my note on Dr. Shahrdar's course mission statement preparation.
Ellen Madono

[Ananda Ruchira]

>What's going on guys/gals? Is this homeopathy?

Dear Gregory

I had thought with the opening "my oh my..." line the reader would have been alerted some lighter remarks were on their way. Nevertheless I shall defend my statements.
The person who asked the original question mentioned that the patient was on a load of allopathics and the patient said s/he only wanted help for 1 problem. I was responding to that.

IN MY OPINION - I do get such patients - they are loaded down with allopathic meds that they can't be easily removed from, and they have only one symptom or one problem they want dealing with. Now what? I will try - much as respected writer seems to be doing - to find a simillium and a detox that can deal with what's happening as best as possible, but often, a full recovery is not going to be successful in the face of a lifetime's worth of iatrogenic disease. Hahnemann himself said it's very difficult to cure iatrogenic diseases. So yes, sometimes all the help you can offer is some clinical remedies that will mitigate some of the problems.

IMO - We have a duty and a right to help the patient to whatever degree possible, even if it's not the perfect cure that we'd hope for as healers.

IMO- As for the value of "clinical remedies" - our Masters of old didn't see any problem with treating clinically and no doubt there are many successful homeopaths (no, I don't mean "quasi"-homeopaths, I mean: homeopaths) treat clinically with great success. The vast body & works of homeopathy has room for many approaches to reach a simillium of the disease.
IMO - This was in response to the writer's own comments that the patient is taking opiates and the side-effects are probably from those drugs. In which case, opium 30 (or morphine30) could very well be an ideal to remove the side-effects. More ideal would be the tautopathic remedy since it would also contain all the OTHER STUFF compounded in that drug. The "haze" referred to here, was referring to writer's own comments about the amount of side-effects she's experiencing (and punfully later revealed as opium-caused)

IMO - So even though I was trying to write in a light-hearted way, i was still sticking to what I believe is, indeed, "good" homeopathy.

If I have offended anyone by such light-heartedness, I ask for forgiveness.....
Sincerely,
Didi Ananda Ruchira
Director
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[Shannon Nelson]

In "the old days" we had these wonderful, educational, informative (and fun) discussions -- *and* on the parts of many of these, also a patient and respectful attitude toward those with different experiences and using different approaches.

Many of us left the lists, and/or gave up following most of the discussions, when the respectful explorations and discussions about "differences" became outgunned by mudslinging and insults toward any deemed not "pure" (classical etc.) enough. IMO that bears major blame for killing off much of the wonderful discussion.

Joy is wonderful and I miss her many wonderful positive inputs! She was also a large part of the reason that I was finally able to "break my addiction" here, and I know that others left (obviously I haven't left) for similar reason.

David Little, JW, Will Taylor--three examples of "great minds" who also brought their great hearts to the discussions. They were willing to engage in the "tough" questions with depth --and always respectful even of those they were in disagreement with.

But also I guess we are into a "have it your way", "build your own" internet and social structure now; easier for people to flock together with "birds of a feather"--terrific in some ways, but sad in others. Personally I LOVED the exposure to different ways of approaching homeopathy (and other topics), and learned some important and really useful things during those years. (E.g. about low potencies, water potencies, Fibonacci potencies [okay, that's recentish], various authors...)

I loved being able to explore "fringe" territories under the gently restraining hands of those wiser and more experienced. But when too many of those remaining "hands" started trying to choke and slap -- not everyone's cup of tea!

Just my opinion...

Shannon

[Shannon Nelson]

And its name now is Homeolist, but has continuity with, and still under the same "management", as Lyghtforce was. It could be re-activated and re-purposed at any time! (I tried a few times...)

E.g. it could be a place where broader discussion is specifically permitted, leaving Minutus the "pure-as-the-driven-snow" list. The difficulty was that Jon has been unwilling to moderate under any but the direst of circumstances. At this point he would probably be willing to let it be moderated if needed, tho, so as not to have it killed off again.

[Fran Sheffield]

I think the biggest problem is that it is now a public list, isn't it?

From what I understand, threads and comments come up on google searches and anyone can see anything.

This list requires membership and cannot be googled.
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Kind regards,

Fran Sheffield
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Homeopathy for Autism (Guidelines for Treatment - Search for Practitioners)
http://www.homeopathy4autism.com

[Shannon Nelson]

Ah thanks--I didn't know that. But why would that have led to it dying off like it has? My perception had been that conversation simply moved here because for a long time they were essentially identical in membership and content (including the same barroom brawls spilling from one to the other), and people got tired of making each post twice, started to choose one *or* the other, and Minutus gained a slight edge and then eventually just sucked the activity into itself.

I wished at the time, and continue to wish, that the two lists had simply been *differentiated*, to serve the differing purposes of differing sub-sets of members.

Shannon

[Tanya Marquette]

What I recall is that conversation got to be too confrontational and unpleasant, something that minutus has also sufferred.
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[Rochelle Marsden]

Which was the reason Tam and Suriya started the list called Homeopathy Open which is still going but is not as active as this list.
Rochelle
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Nelson
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I loved being able to explore "fringe" territories under the gently restraining hands of those wiser and more experienced. But when too many of those remaining "hands" started trying to choke and slap -- not everyone's cup of tea!
Just my opinion...
Shannon
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com , kerry > wrote:

Hi Kerry,

********** and JW!!!!

Leilanae

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[Gregory Pais, ND, DHANP]

Dear Didi,

Thank you so much for your considerate reply. I'm glad you chose to create a dialog related to my question.

I did miss the 'my oh my' indication of lighter remarks. Sorry about that.

My question and reference to specific comments directly stems from reading the Organon again and being immersed in the idea that we need to start with the characteristic symptoms--'altered feeling and function' not an a priori idea that because there is a specific kind of situation we need to go to something different.

My concern in only treating 1 problem, especially when there are a lot of drugs being used, is that you end up addressing effects caused by those drugs. It's easy under those circumstances to mistake the secondary effects of the drugs for the characteristic symptoms. I've done this even when patients aren't on too many drugs and it's been difficult to extract a good case from the mess I end up making.

I find that if I retake the case, focusing on what's different and characteristic from the healthy state, I get a better result than only looking at the skin rash or the shoulder pain. I don't find I need to do a detox remedy and a main remedy in these circumstances. I'll help support organ function through foods and water. That's the 'detox' that works well for my patients.

I do have a problem with the 'this is going on so I'll do that' approach. Perhaps if it was prefaced with, "I've tried everything else so now I will step outside of homeopathy to try this" I would have reacted less. Giving opium in potency because the patient is on morphine is isopathy, not homeopathy.

I am not offended by what you wrote. I was not trying to offend you. I wanted to create a dialog about these issues.

Peace,
Gregory

Gregory Pais, ND, DHANP
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[Ananda Ruchira]

Dear Gregory
thanks. I'm glad too you're opening a dialog and not simply an "attack" on someone else's approach to treatment.

After long exchanges with other "regulars" on this mailing list (and yes!! I'm one who likes Minutus very much!) I already know their styles - and most of them, including Rochelle (as far as I can tell) is "classical". And she knows me thru Minutus. So I don't fear "misguiding" her. she will know if she likes my advice or not.

The point is - because our styles are different we are learning from it. I get such feedback from others and I've learned a tremendous amount from reading and exhanging on Minutus. I don't think this is a bad thing that we have different approaches.
re: "isopathy" & "tautopathy"
I have, over and over again found this approach to be effective & quick for drug side-effects. I remember one lady on antibiotics going all woozy. A homemade quick-made tautopathic (=isopathic) cleared the sideeffects even before she reached her car to leave my place. I have numerous cases of quinine poisoning (malaria treatments) being cleared with China Sulph. (and this tip I learned thru reading the classic masters)

Just recently one of my students treated a 7 year old girl, who, apparently was paralyzed and retarded after MMR vaccination (at age 1) with a few doses of MMR 30c. Within a few doses, the girl is now starting to walk and tryng to speak. Now she will start to be treated with the constitutional as it presents (I think it's BUFO in this case)

We can't deny what's in front of our very eyes.

And I can't believe that our Hahnemann would have denied it either
Sincerely,
Didi Ananda Ruchira
Director
Tels: (+254) 0733-895466 / 0723-869133
www.abhalight.org
Skype: anandarucira