I would like to write a few comments on the issue of classification.
The changes in taxonomy are not really important to us as we use remedies according to their actions and their activities, not really to their "genealogy".
Witness Mangialavori who has developed his own classification based precisely on remedies action and mixes happily plants and minerals (unfortunately I have not yet had time to immerse myself into his work).
I have explained many times why I could not and would not use Scholten and Sankaran method of finding a remedy, nevertheless when I check their materia medica after determining a few remedies that would fit, I am always amazed at the exactitude of the descriptions. And sometimes they are useful to direct me towards the correct remedy. For example I recently was able to prescribe Rhus Glabra by checking in Sankaran for another plant remedy that appeared strongly in the repertorisation; his short description led me to Tuminello's proving and that one was bull's eye....although I have not yet received any report from the patient so that might be a bit anticipated.
We could in fact create many different classifications and each one of them would have a usefulness; for example the group of remedies containing alkaloids, those acting on the brain or the respiratory system, etc,.....that has been done for modalities, the hot and cold remedies, the wet and dry ones, etc,........
So I would not be too concerned about the botanical, zoological or gemological precision of any classification; those are working tools, not holy sacraments.....
Joe.
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Classification was Erb and/or Erb-c - 2
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Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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Re: Classification was Erb and/or Erb-c - 2
Hello Dr. Joe,
I certainly agree that classification has room for many ways of classifying. I have always, I suppose, naturally classified rx's in the same way that Massimo does. Sticking certain poisons or hydrocarbons together for study for example. And the example I mentioned earlier with regards to botanical classification was just for the sake of getting some relevant feed back on the issue. Sankaran as of yet has no comment in this regard.
Massimos classification (if we could call it his) is a great way to teach and learn rx's, though and I can attest to it's success on both ends of the equation.
A specific example of my own from cases past, comes from breaking the snake family down by venom types, if applicable, perhaps studying all of the hemorrhagic rx's together as they certainly share a lot in common at least on the physical plane.
And for what it's worth, you and I may not consider the classification ideas of Scholten and Sankaran as sacrosanct but I would dare you to utter anything else at one of their seminars...
All the best,
Rik
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I certainly agree that classification has room for many ways of classifying. I have always, I suppose, naturally classified rx's in the same way that Massimo does. Sticking certain poisons or hydrocarbons together for study for example. And the example I mentioned earlier with regards to botanical classification was just for the sake of getting some relevant feed back on the issue. Sankaran as of yet has no comment in this regard.
Massimos classification (if we could call it his) is a great way to teach and learn rx's, though and I can attest to it's success on both ends of the equation.
A specific example of my own from cases past, comes from breaking the snake family down by venom types, if applicable, perhaps studying all of the hemorrhagic rx's together as they certainly share a lot in common at least on the physical plane.
And for what it's worth, you and I may not consider the classification ideas of Scholten and Sankaran as sacrosanct but I would dare you to utter anything else at one of their seminars...
All the best,
Rik
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Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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Re: Classification was Erb and/or Erb-c - 2
Hi Rik,
Do you have the venom breakdown available, I would be very interested at having a look.....
And I did make that comment at some seminars. The reaction was that some practitioners can do it and others cannot. Nobody tried anything drastic with me, I guess they know what they are in for if they try, hahahahaha....
Joe.
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Do you have the venom breakdown available, I would be very interested at having a look.....
And I did make that comment at some seminars. The reaction was that some practitioners can do it and others cannot. Nobody tried anything drastic with me, I guess they know what they are in for if they try, hahahahaha....
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
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Re: Classification was Erb and/or Erb-c - 2
Hi, Joe
Not sure what you want in a "venom breakdown," but Vol. 3 of Massimo's Bologna course notes deals with snake remedies and their similars. So in addition to snakes, it includes Melilotus, Zinc-phos., Zinc-mur., Zinc-val., Tyrannosaurus rex, Heloderma, and Amphisbaena.
I think all the course notes may still be available through his website. They're well worth having, even though the editing is poor. (His more recent books are much better on that score.)
Peace,
Dale
Hi Rik,
Do you have the venom breakdown available, I would be very interested at having a look.....
And I did make that comment at some seminars. The reaction was that some practitioners can do it and others cannot. Nobody tried anything drastic with me, I guess they know what they are in for if they try, hahahahaha....
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit my new website www.naturamedica.webs.com
Not sure what you want in a "venom breakdown," but Vol. 3 of Massimo's Bologna course notes deals with snake remedies and their similars. So in addition to snakes, it includes Melilotus, Zinc-phos., Zinc-mur., Zinc-val., Tyrannosaurus rex, Heloderma, and Amphisbaena.
I think all the course notes may still be available through his website. They're well worth having, even though the editing is poor. (His more recent books are much better on that score.)
Peace,
Dale
Hi Rik,
Do you have the venom breakdown available, I would be very interested at having a look.....
And I did make that comment at some seminars. The reaction was that some practitioners can do it and others cannot. Nobody tried anything drastic with me, I guess they know what they are in for if they try, hahahahaha....
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
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Tanya Marquette
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Re: Classification was Erb and/or Erb-c - 2
Sankaran’s plant classifications use basic botanical families/sub families.
He has looked at the plants/remedies and sees them in an orderly fashion
something akin to the periodic table. Thus, there is a progression thru the
miasms much as Scholten sees a primary miasm for each column on the table.
t
From: Dale Moss
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Classification was Erb and/or Erb-c - 2
Hi, Joe
Not sure what you want in a "venom breakdown," but Vol. 3 of Massimo's Bologna course notes deals with snake remedies and their similars. So in addition to snakes, it includes Melilotus, Zinc-phos., Zinc-mur., Zinc-val., Tyrannosaurus rex, Heloderma, and Amphisbaena.
I think all the course notes may still be available through his website. They're well worth having, even though the editing is poor. (His more recent books are much better on that score.)
Peace,
Dale
Hi Rik,
Do you have the venom breakdown available, I would be very interested at having a look.....
And I did make that comment at some seminars. The reaction was that some practitioners can do it and others cannot. Nobody tried anything drastic with me, I guess they know what they are in for if they try, hahahahaha....
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit my new website www.naturamedica.webs.com
He has looked at the plants/remedies and sees them in an orderly fashion
something akin to the periodic table. Thus, there is a progression thru the
miasms much as Scholten sees a primary miasm for each column on the table.
t
From: Dale Moss
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:45 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Classification was Erb and/or Erb-c - 2
Hi, Joe
Not sure what you want in a "venom breakdown," but Vol. 3 of Massimo's Bologna course notes deals with snake remedies and their similars. So in addition to snakes, it includes Melilotus, Zinc-phos., Zinc-mur., Zinc-val., Tyrannosaurus rex, Heloderma, and Amphisbaena.
I think all the course notes may still be available through his website. They're well worth having, even though the editing is poor. (His more recent books are much better on that score.)
Peace,
Dale
Hi Rik,
Do you have the venom breakdown available, I would be very interested at having a look.....
And I did make that comment at some seminars. The reaction was that some practitioners can do it and others cannot. Nobody tried anything drastic with me, I guess they know what they are in for if they try, hahahahaha....
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit my new website www.naturamedica.webs.com
Re: Classification was Erb and/or Erb-c - 2
Hello Dr. Joe,
Let me look into scanning the image. It is a hand written/drawn image with accompanying notes. It is really a compilation of Thakkars, Frasers and Vermeulens notes or MM on the relevant poisonous snake rx's.
Best regards,
Rik
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD." wrote:
Let me look into scanning the image. It is a hand written/drawn image with accompanying notes. It is really a compilation of Thakkars, Frasers and Vermeulens notes or MM on the relevant poisonous snake rx's.
Best regards,
Rik
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Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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Re: Classification was Erb and/or Erb-c - 2
Thanks I have seen his books on his website, pretty expensive though and no time right now to read them in detail.
Joe.
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Joe.
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Re: Classification was Erb and/or Erb-c - 2
Hi, Joe and Rik --
I'm not sure whether Farrington's efforts here (Clinical Materia Medica, a compilation of published comparisons and lectures that, despite inclusion in the title of the word "clinical", appear to be based on pathogenetic knowledge), preceding Sankaran's and Scholten's by a century, have been largely forgotten. He too grouped drugs for convenience of study, understanding, and memorisation; largely, as it happens, according with their known taxonomic relationships (biological or chemical). His efforts, based entirely in fact rather than in conjecture (and not encouraging any delusion that pathogenetic knowledge can be created through such clustering), are phenomenally detailed and take a differential approach something like Nash's in Leaders.
Cheers --
John
I'm not sure whether Farrington's efforts here (Clinical Materia Medica, a compilation of published comparisons and lectures that, despite inclusion in the title of the word "clinical", appear to be based on pathogenetic knowledge), preceding Sankaran's and Scholten's by a century, have been largely forgotten. He too grouped drugs for convenience of study, understanding, and memorisation; largely, as it happens, according with their known taxonomic relationships (biological or chemical). His efforts, based entirely in fact rather than in conjecture (and not encouraging any delusion that pathogenetic knowledge can be created through such clustering), are phenomenally detailed and take a differential approach something like Nash's in Leaders.
Cheers --
John
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Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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Re: Classification was Erb and/or Erb-c - 2
Actually it has been, with Nash, one of the mandatory basic textbooks we had to read in our third year at the Israeli College.....
My only problem with it is its lack of searchability, but I must have been spoiled by the computer life.............
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
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My only problem with it is its lack of searchability, but I must have been spoiled by the computer life.............
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
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Ellen Madono
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Re: Classification was Erb and/or Erb-c - 2
Hi Joe,
What book of Nash were you required to read. Just looked him up on Minimum.com and it was not obvious.
Best,
Ellen
Actually it has been, with Nash, one of the mandatory basic textbooks we had to read in our third year at the Israeli College.....
My only problem with it is its lack of searchability, but I must have been spoiled by the computer life.............
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit my new website www.naturamedica.webs.com
What book of Nash were you required to read. Just looked him up on Minimum.com and it was not obvious.
Best,
Ellen
Actually it has been, with Nash, one of the mandatory basic textbooks we had to read in our third year at the Israeli College.....
My only problem with it is its lack of searchability, but I must have been spoiled by the computer life.............
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit my new website www.naturamedica.webs.com