cervical cancer vaccine

[Mary Ann Gilmore]

And what about all of the other questionable known and unknown substances added to vaccines for whatever agenda or explanation is given (thermerosol comes to mind as one)?

Mary Ann Gilmore

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From: "healthyinfo6@aol.com"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] cervical cancer vaccine
When I was vaccinated, there was no chicken pox vaccine. I had chicken pox.
There was no MMR, measles, mumps, rubella vaccine. I had the mumps.
If these were immune strengthening experiences, hasn't prevented miasmatic chronic diseases from developing.
On this list of USA 2011 vaccination schedule, which diseases listed won't cause permanent damage or death, if vaccination is skipped when there is no homeopathic treatment available?
Smallpox? Rubella?
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedu ... ule-pr.pdf
Saying it's benefically immune strengthening to allow all these diseases to happen in childhood and no possible harm may come from that is playing Russian Roulette and risky.
Vaccinations pose a danger, non-vaccination poses a danger, one needs to do their own risk analysis. Again, this is where no quick homeopathic treatment is available, like most of the USA.
Susan

[Victoria Mashevsky]

You are the blind fanatic, Susan. So sad you don't see that. No pun intended. He-he.
V

[healthinfo6]

According to this, thimersol has been taken out of vaccines, many never had any to begin with.
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccin ... /UCM096228
One needs to do research on what actually is true versus constantly restating what may be false hoping it becomes true.
Personally, I'm more concerned with daily exposure to artificial food additives, preservatives, BPA in plastics, toxic air, water, and other stuff that stress the vital force.
Recently, an outbreak of listeria in cantaloupes from Colorado killed 29 people. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/0 ... 72730.html
Does that mean we should stop eating fresh fruits and vegetables because there is a possibility we could die from them?
Does the benefit of fruits and vegetables outweigh the risks?
Susan

[healthinfo6]

V.
Sheri's Google Group needs more posters like you, it's kinda dead, like Michelle Bachmann's presidential campaign.
Susan

[Tanya Marquette]

Susan
You can hold whatever views, but when you reduce the discussion to this level of attack your comments are
absolutely not welcome. We have been thru several rounds of such insanity: it always ruins the group.
If that is your intent, my first impression of you is that you are a shill for the quackbusters and big pharma.
And like all quackbusters your arguments have no coherence and never respond to others information
other than to attack the person. A real key, for me, of a losing argument.
Personally, I will not read your posts on this and recommend others do the same. It is clear you have nothing
to say about how homeopathy has been successful in treating this disease or any other. And you have
nothing to say about the disease picture that furthers understanding.
tanya

[Tanya Marquette]

Mary Ann--have you been following any of the CDC and FDA bruhaha over this issue? CDC has actually admitted
that vaccines cause autism. A major head of the FDA has been charged with child abuse (pedophilia?) recently--this
is a woman who has the say over what drugs you can force on a child. And I believe there is revelation from the CDC that
vaccines are not working. We know this because of the huge number of people who get the very disease they were
vaccinated for. When a child there were very few vaccines, DPT being one that was given. At age 9? I had whooping
cough, undiagnosed for almost a year. I guess I was part of the 25% overt vaccine failure rate. I like to think my body
completely rejected the vaccine. But what about polio vaccine where they lined the kids up in school to get that vaccine?
tanya
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[Mary Ann Gilmore]

Tanya,

I have been following it very closely. It is indirectly related to this group but important to know about because when people, like myself who made sure my 4 children avoided vaccines after I found out what they do, come to us. (My oldest is 44 and youngest is 29). I stopped after my oldest son's reaction to the smallpox vaccination. Not much info then, but I needed none to know that this was a ridiculous situation. I needed a viable alternative then and this started my path to getting into natural solutions and then homeopathy. The indirect relationship to this group is that people have to know and have confidence in a viable alternative and we have to be ready to provide that. My tutor, at BIH, in fact, wanted me to specialize in autism since she felt this issue was so important. I have experienced the school issues, switching to home schooling when it was unheard of and all of that very early on to avoid this and other issues (plus giving my children a real education).

As far as the competence and reputation of the major head you are talking about. This is a very very serious thing since I read these reports and some were legally charged with worse. So what value would a child's life have? I have been keeping up with the reports since it is important to know when responding with something homeopathically and being able to give the reasons why.

There are also very serious questions of vaccines being used as carriers for other things and other agendas which is not really a part of this discussion but awareness of this needs to be there when addressing the ingredients actually in some of these vaccines so we can accurately deal with the problem.

Mary Ann
Mary Ann Gilmore

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From: "tamarque@earthlink.net"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] cervical cancer vaccine
Mary Ann--have you been following any of the CDC and FDA bruhaha over this issue? CDC has actually admitted
that vaccines cause autism. A major head of the FDA has been charged with child abuse (pedophilia?) recently--this
is a woman who has the say over what drugs you can force on a child. And I believe there is revelation from the CDC that
vaccines are not working. We know this because of the huge number of people who get the very disease they were
vaccinated for. When a child there were very few vaccines, DPT being one that was given. At age 9? I had whooping
cough, undiagnosed for almost a year. I guess I was part of the 25% overt vaccine failure rate. I like to think my body
completely rejected the vaccine. But what about polio vaccine where they lined the kids up in school to get that vaccine?
tanya
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[Mary Ann Gilmore]

This may be a government report but is not your conclusion an assertion denigrating out of hand what another claim is? Would it not have been better to ask me to support my claim since you offer a questionable source of proof? Who put it out and who wrote it? Can we really say with 100% certainty that the people who are allowing artificial food additives, preservatives, BPA in plastic, toxic air, water and other things are going to be truthful in this area. There is too much information out there to allow such a conclusion. Why was listeria allowed in food then? Why are there such questions here if the government agency with the most money, resources, etc. in the history of mankind allows such pollution etc? What kind of credibility is that without even looking at specific proof? Does not this bring up questions about their motive and direction? And what about other countries? And finally, should I drink a glass of water I know or even suspect to be poisoned just because I need water?
I do not see the logic in that. Would I not look for another good water source?

Mary Ann Gilmore

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From: "healthyinfo6@aol.com"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] cervical cancer vaccine
According to this, thimersol has been taken out of vaccines, many never had any to begin with.
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccin ... /UCM096228
One needs to do research on what actually is true versus constantly restating what may be false hoping it becomes true.
Personally, I'm more concerned with daily exposure to artificial food additives, preservatives, BPA in plastics, toxic air, water, and other stuff that stress the vital force.
Recently, an outbreak of listeria in cantaloupes from Colorado killed 29 people. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/0 ... 72730.html
Does that mean we should stop eating fresh fruits and vegetables because there is a possibility we could die from them?
Does the benefit of fruits and vegetables outweigh the risks?
Susan

[Tanya Marquette]

I think we are on the same page Mary Ann. It is not just knowledge of facts, but also
the philosophy and politico/economic understanding of how things happen in our cultures
that lead us to make judgements.

Unfortunately, people can be so timid having been totally intimidated against trusting what
they see before their own eyes, that even when you give facts and figures they balk. Only
yesterday I ran into a woman in a market and asked her if she wanted to split a box of
organic butter which was very expensive. She proudly and with surprise told me how she
eats only soy and margerine spreads. So I rolled my eyes and said something like :"Oh I
wouldnt ever eat those things at all." She asked me some questions, but in true quackbuster
fashion cut off every attempt I made to answer her. Then she asked me how do you know
who to believe--a very common question and often genuinely asked, but not in this case because
again she cut me off and didn't want to know. The success of this conversation was with a
younger man who worked in the market who said his cholesterol was very high so what was he
to do. When asked he told me his cholesterol level and I said it was not high. I was able to
tell him how big pharma saturated the market with harmful drugs, created a big scare about
cholesterol and then argued to lower the accepted levels in order to create a new market
layer. He was very interested in this information, thanked me and I am sure he will research
it further.

As for vaccines, unfortunately my kids did get vax'd along with the rest of those in my collective.
Fortunately, none went autistic, but we had other behavior issues and learning problems with
almost all of them--about 10. Strangely, we did have 1 child who was somewhat autistic and
no one back then would listen to me. He did not get vax'd as far as I know.

The situation is so complicated today. The vaccine schedule in the USA is massive, the rate
of autism is up at 1:100 and greater in some areas. ADD/ADHD is 1:25 kids. Nutrition just
plain sucks with all the GMO foods that people are eating as well as the high level of chemicals
from food and packaging. Blood tests are showing that even newborns have well over 100
toxic chemicals in their blood at birth. Many of those chemicals are neurotoxins and endocrine
disrupters. What chance do these children have to grow up free from chronic disease and
dysfunction.

Even the whistleblowers from industry or gov't agencies like the FDA or CDC are cautious about
what they say. Stomping on dissent is not just reserved for the OWS movement currently, but
there is a long, horrid and dramatic history of people being blatantly assassinated for daring to
stand up to power. Martin Luther King, MalcomX, Fred Hampton, and even JFK brutally slain.
Mumia still in jail despite all the public controversy about that trial in the early 1980's where
witnesses lied under threat from the prosecution if they didn't. The list goes on. The medical
industry is not less lethal (pun intended). And parents are threatened with loss of custody of
their children and jail time for themselves when they stand up in defense of their children demanding
the right to make independent choices for their child's health.

And despite all this information, people are ignorant of what is really going on: worse they defend
the very system that is designed to impoverish them financially as well as health wise. But so glad
that we have places to gather, even online, to lend mutual support and share experiences and
information.

tanya
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[Mary Ann Gilmore]

I agree with you and knowledge of these things helps us to know who and how we can help, such as in your conversations. One must be alert to the responses and see the real opportunities, which you did with the young man. As you rightly point out, there are real dangers and whistleblowers are sometimes targeted. Truly helping others involves being aware and using discernment because as you observed quackbuster types already are shut down. No use using up your energy and time if someone does not want to learn. This group however, one wants to assume does want to learn and, perhaps, good manners being applied would go a long way to not only have a better exchange, with the outcome of supporting each other while learning, but assuming those here want those things too. If one has not learned good manners which is another way of saying communicating positively, just reading the posts and seeing the outcomes and responses would help them to teach themselves. Also too much time and energy are used up in negative discussion which usually end up with the emotional response being remembered over the vital information we want to share and learn from. I want reality here with a positive human involvement and that reality is what classical homeopathy is, does, and what our environment is that impacts what we are learning and doing.

Mary Ann Gilmore

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From: tanya
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] cervical cancer vaccine
I think we are on the same page Mary Ann. It is not just knowledge of facts, but also
the philosophy and politico/economic understanding of how things happen in our cultures
that lead us to make judgements.

Unfortunately, people can be so timid having been totally intimidated against trusting what
they see before their own eyes, that even when you give facts and figures they balk. Only
yesterday I ran into a woman in a market and asked her if she wanted to split a box of
organic butter which was very expensive. She proudly and with surprise told me how she
eats only soy and margerine spreads. So I rolled my eyes and said something like :"Oh I
wouldnt ever eat those things at all." She asked me some questions, but in true quackbuster
fashion cut off every attempt I made to answer her. Then she asked me how do you know
who to believe--a very common question and often genuinely asked, but not in this case because
again she cut me off and didn't want to know. The success of this conversation was with a
younger man who worked in the market who said his cholesterol was very high so what was he
to do. When asked he told me his cholesterol level and I said it was not high. I was able to
tell him how big pharma saturated the market with harmful drugs, created a big scare about
cholesterol and then argued to lower the accepted levels in order to create a new market
layer. He was very interested in this information, thanked me and I am sure he will research
it further.

As for vaccines, unfortunately my kids did get vax'd along with the rest of those in my collective.
Fortunately, none went autistic, but we had other behavior issues and learning problems with
almost all of them--about 10. Strangely, we did have 1 child who was somewhat autistic and
no one back then would listen to me. He did not get vax'd as far as I know.

The situation is so complicated today. The vaccine schedule in the USA is massive, the rate
of autism is up at 1:100 and greater in some areas. ADD/ADHD is 1:25 kids. Nutrition just
plain sucks with all the GMO foods that people are eating as well as the high level of chemicals
from food and packaging. Blood tests are showing that even newborns have well over 100
toxic chemicals in their blood at birth. Many of those chemicals are neurotoxins and endocrine
disrupters. What chance do these children have to grow up free from chronic disease and
dysfunction.

Even the whistleblowers from industry or gov't agencies like the FDA or CDC are cautious about
what they say. Stomping on dissent is not just reserved for the OWS movement currently, but
there is a long, horrid and dramatic history of people being blatantly assassinated for daring to
stand up to power. Martin Luther King, MalcomX, Fred Hampton, and even JFK brutally slain.
Mumia still in jail despite all the public controversy about that trial in the early 1980's where
witnesses lied under threat from the prosecution if they didn't. The list goes on. The medical
industry is not less lethal (pun intended). And parents are threatened with loss of custody of
their children and jail time for themselves when they stand up in defense of their children demanding
the right to make independent choices for their child's health.

And despite all this information, people are ignorant of what is really going on: worse they defend
the very system that is designed to impoverish them financially as well as health wise. But so glad
that we have places to gather, even online, to lend mutual support and share experiences and
information.

tanya
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