Fell off a bridge

[Shannon Nelson]

Welllll........ If they are presenting the *picture* of MMR vaccine
(which I'm not familiar with, but I'll bet is readily available to),
then you would indeed. Same as we'd give Lyssin without seeing rabies,
or Sepia without overexposure to squid ink.

Shannon

[Liz Brynin]

Yes. I have heard of this kind of thing being done, although never met anyone who does it. And I'm not sure what the picture of MMR is like! But I was arguing about a theoretical NBWS vaccination case. In this case of course I would consider giving back the MMr in potency if nothing else homeopathic had worked. It works - it works really well. There is a clear protocol to follow - look at Tinus Smits work on this. He got fabulous results, bless him.
Liz

[RichardS]

I guess my point is that what we are doing is developing an entire way of approaching cases of say autism based on a very small number of anecdotal cases. This is "not" a "method" yet. But it is being taught and utilized as if it is a no brainer. It is not. It is in it's infancy at best. This is the stage where we gather information from reproduced and reproducible clinical experiments. This is not the point where we take for granted the earliest experiments as a method or the last word that finalizes it into a "finding" of fact. This is precisely what is happening.
As for your question pertaining to any common thread between any of these cases, we could find none, but some of us "theorized" that this may be the result of vaccines in the parents.
Best regards, rik
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Nelson wrote:

[RichardS]

Why would we not give it? If it (MMR) causes autism, then why not give it? There seems to be some very slippery rules here regarding when to apply this idea of isopathy.
And I beg to differ. How does the cat scan or antibiotic analogy not measure up as a true analogy?
Unless it is disrupting your cognitive dissonance and perceptions with regards to what you think you know about Homeoapthy.

Rik

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Liz Brynin" wrote:

[RichardS]

Even on a good day you are nothing more than a lemming. I could sell you sand in the desert. You have so terribly misconstrued any real evidence repeatedly on this list to support your own pursuit of whatever passes for your idea in the moment of whatever brand psuedopathy you practice.
On the one hand you say your don't what the picture of mmr is, but you would still give it! And in the morning still call yourself a Homeopath. We should all be so lucky.
Rik
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[Liz Brynin]

I give up!
Cognitive dissonance - please! Learn first to think logically and understand what someone says before you bandy around big words that are the flavour of the moment.
Liz

[Tanya Marquette]

Rik,
You mention the LIGA event where non-vaccinated autistic children are presenting.
What was the concensus, if any, on that scenario? What were the tx results with these children?
Were these children born autistic or did they show a regressive development as with vaccine damage?
As a neurological/brain problem, there are many neurotoxins in the environment these days that can
affect the fetus of very young child it seems. Anything from household cleaners, to air pollution from
industrial sites in the region, to water poisoning by municipalities themselves--not to mention corporate
waste being dumped and not identified. Were cellular analysis done to check the body burden of
toxicity?
tanya

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Yes Rik, I do tell the patients that the potentised vaccine is Isotherapy and not Homeopathy, and yes I do explain the difference.
Yes, there are other causes for autism, in unvaccinated children (again, Tinus has a few examples in his book) and yes the isotherapic of those "material" causes does clear the way for further treatment (antibiotics, drugs the mother took while pregnant, etc,.....) when the picture becomes clear of what the terrain, the susceptibility, the constitution, the miasms are.
No it is not new, it has been used for ages with good results and some failures as with all therapies.
No, you should not potentise the bridge or the soil because it is not a causal factor in your fall (nice try though).
 
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit my new website www.naturamedica.webs.com

[RichardS]

There were no presentations of non autistic children cases only discussions that were happening at LIGA between various practitioners, doctors, researchers etc.
Some were born autistic some not. There was no consensus except that there was a growing number of cases in which we could not point to vaccines with regards to etiology. Treatment results were generally above average with a plethora of approaches from diet to remedies and many combinations of therapies.
The only case in which a child had been tested for various toxicity's turned up nothing.
Although I still think that a relevant topic of interest is that all parents were vaccinated.
Rik
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[RichardS]

You are the first Homeopath who has said that they are upfront about the therapy. For that I applaud you.
But for being new I would have to disagree. Isodes in the sense in which we are talking are quite new. The use of isodes in the more traditional sense is a different matter all together. I can find no reference with any validity from any journal with any long term strategies or follow ups with regards to giving potentised vaccines prior to 1994. Do you have other references?
As for the soil, "it" is responsible for the damage to my physical body. So therefore causal for broken bones, concussion etc. And no I am not not brining this up as a trivial point.

Best regards, Rik
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD." wrote: