fear of deep water, or ?

[Joy Lucas]

I know when we use this rubric sometimes we are stretching its true meaning (which is exactly - magnetized) and other uses can be that of wanting to be stimulated in some way and as this person seems to be wanting to confront an issue that actually terrifies her and the result is a calming sensation then this seems to fit well enough.

Joy

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[Tanya Marquette]

Okay. the

[Tanya Marquette]

Okay. The key here seems to be the calming result after going into the fear. I see you are
using the desire to be magnetized in the sense that the person is being overstimulated to the point
of creating the opposite effect. Is that correct?
tanya

[Theresa Partington]

I am not sure how it relates to this case, but .....
Magnetism was the basis of mesmerism. Originally the patients were thrown into 'hysteria', or a place where action was involuntary, by application of magnets and then Mesmer decided he could achieve the same without ie animal magnetism. His goal seemed to be to push people into a state of unawareness (?) and he believed he was then in control. Hahnemann was impressed by Mesmer and magnetism, both animal and mineral and seemed to think they were comparable in action. (#286-9). He saw animal magnestism as the imposition of the physician's energy on the patients, supplementing gaps and draining off excess where they existed.. He did say that although he thought it was homeopathic, not enough was really known about it - but 'magnetism' in rubrics surely has all these implications. H was not in favour of the kind of clairvoyant trances that became associated with mesmerism later, but maybe they found their way into the reps as 'magnetism' later on, too.
We would really need to go back to original provings, in original language, of those remedies that have magnestism modalities.
Medicinal uses of magnetism seem to have been 'hysterical' complaints and epilepsy and depression, in the main.
I am using 'hysterical'now in its modern usage (sort of 'psychosomatic' state).
As i say, this may or may not be relevant to this case but I think it could be - if a desire to escape one's own autonomy and plumb the abyss is a factor.
Theresa
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[Tanya Marquette]

This reminds me of Sankaran's description of homeopsychology or homeopathic use of music with which he
did some experimenting. Other examples that come to mind are how people will 'crave' heavy musci when
they are feeling a sense of heavy depression, or gravitating toward more phrenetic music when feeling hyper
and/or anxious. The end result is a calming down, becoming more centered. That is how I understand his
concept and it seems that it fits this discussion here, too.
tanya

[Joy Lucas]

Yes but as I said I admit to this as taking a bit of the liberty with the rubric and one would need to study the rx there to be sure it was of any use in the way I mean.

Joy

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[Tanya Marquette]

That is always the case--reading the remedies for a good fit. I just wanted to understand what you were thinking.
This is not an issue.
tanya

[Gail A]

It makes me think about the fascination that there can be with horror movies - it scares you silly but the attraction is compelling. It's like a point of being stuck, unable to break free and move on. It can happen for example following a childhood trauma where afterwards the child will compulsively play through only one scenario, until it is resolved.
So in this sense magnetised maybe - feeling compelled, fascination, intense attraction.
But I guess another part of 'desire to be magnetised' is almost like you give something or someone else power over you, you are not responsible for what happens when you are under the spell. And maybe the flip side should be considered in there too - 'desire to magnetise' - to have compelling power over another or in a certain situation.
So 'magnetised' fits in the sense that she is driven to prove that the fear has no power over her - she won't be compelled or controlled by the fear - she will be the one in control.

Gail
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[Joy Lucas]

Repping is a fine art and there is a pre-requisite to understanding many rubrics that are not straightforward, this being one of them - it suits but you can only study corresponding rx. Some reps will have the rubric 'danger' in them which might also be applicable and in CD there is 'mind, danger, desires to be exposed to, to be unprotected, when at risk he feels relieved'. There is only a few rx and should be more imo.

Other pointers would be 'fearlessness' and I would argue that this could be used even though there is apparent fear/terror in the case.

There is also 'heedless' - not sure that is quite the same thing but worth thinking about +

'carefree'

'daring'

and also wonder about some of the 'euphoria' type rubrics as she might be going through a process of heightened excitement to get to being peaceful.

What you really want is to find themes throughout the case that also encompass similar experiences and then one rubric can be used instead of several.

Joy

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[Shannon Nelson]

Just FWIW (and not to take away from the interesting and useful discussion), I did not get the sense that she swims in the dark *because* it frightens her, but rather in spite of, and only occasionally--she usually swims by day...