Actually, Shannon, if you're referring to healthyinfo6, then she was making a serious point, unlike those who haven't considered the implications of requiring a tinsy winsy teaspoon of the fat of a whale. These whalers were quite prepared to kill stranded Sea Shepherd officers and volunteers whose mission it was to stop them from killing whales: they deliberately rammed them and then ignored the distress calls of those spilled into the water as a result, simply waiting for them to die. In case you still can't get it, healthyinfo6's point is that such people will do anything for a quick buck; in other words, one with no principles preventing her from using the slaughter of a whale to personal advantage will have no trouble getting her supply of fresh corpse from people of like mind with the blood still on their trousers.
Being unprepared to take responsibility for the implications of your requests and suggestions doesn't mean that the blood won't be on your hands as well; it just means you haven't yet grown up.
John
Hello: I wonder if there is anyone who could send me some whale blubber, I am looking to make the remedy and do a proving. But am unable to locate a very small quantity. If you could assist in any way please let me know. I need about 1 tsp.
Thank you
Soula Kallinis in Toronto, Canada
looking for some whale blubber
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: looking for some whale blubber
Good lord, that has NOTHING to do with the request that was made! Sheesh, I'm out of this discussion...
Hello: I wonder if there is anyone who could send me some whale blubber, I am looking to make the remedy and do a proving. But am unable to locate a very small quantity. If you could assist in any way please let me know. I need about 1 tsp.
Thank you
Soula Kallinis in Toronto, Canada
Hello: I wonder if there is anyone who could send me some whale blubber, I am looking to make the remedy and do a proving. But am unable to locate a very small quantity. If you could assist in any way please let me know. I need about 1 tsp.
Thank you
Soula Kallinis in Toronto, Canada
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John Harvey
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Re: looking for some whale blubber
Nothing?
Japanese whalers slaughter whales and attempt the murder of humans, and you can imagine that that preparedness has nothing to do with the market forces that will pay for the slaughter of whales? You imagine that they do it for fun, not profit, and that asking them to supply just a little of the corpse for your own fun has no moral dimension? Or did you take seriously the suggestion of liposuction of a captive whale, and imagine that that's okay?
Your choices have implications.
John
Hello: I wonder if there is anyone who could send me some whale blubber, I am looking to make the remedy and do a proving. But am unable to locate a very small quantity. If you could assist in any way please let me know. I need about 1 tsp.
Thank you
Soula Kallinis in Toronto, Canada
Japanese whalers slaughter whales and attempt the murder of humans, and you can imagine that that preparedness has nothing to do with the market forces that will pay for the slaughter of whales? You imagine that they do it for fun, not profit, and that asking them to supply just a little of the corpse for your own fun has no moral dimension? Or did you take seriously the suggestion of liposuction of a captive whale, and imagine that that's okay?
Your choices have implications.
John
Hello: I wonder if there is anyone who could send me some whale blubber, I am looking to make the remedy and do a proving. But am unable to locate a very small quantity. If you could assist in any way please let me know. I need about 1 tsp.
Thank you
Soula Kallinis in Toronto, Canada
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Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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Re: looking for some whale blubber
I must agree with John here.
We people of the South Pacific are very sensitive to the whole whaling issue; it is not just hunting of another species, it has to do with a specific relation with an intelligent animal.
Even the traditional Japanese hunting was conducted with respect and deference. The traditional Maori whaling too. When a beached whale, or dolphin, cannot be rescued and dies, it is studied to try to understand why the beaching occurred then buried with full Maori ceremonial, as a member of our extended family.
What is happening today has nothing to do with feeding populations; the expense of a whaling expedition is not even covered by the proceeds of selling the meat; we really do not understand what the purpose of sending expensive boats with modern equipment on the other side of the world, basically invading our maritime territory, is at all.
Proponents of whaling claim there is no difference between harvesting whales and cows or sheep. Yet there is. How many of us would accept to eat elephant, chimpanzee, gorilla or orang-utang meat? Like whales and dolphins, those are intelligent species that should be left alone.
Requesting a little piece of blubber from an animal that is anyway already killed appears to be innocent, and I do believe there was no cruelty or insensitivity involved in the request. Nevertheless it gives some little acceptance to the perpetuation of what we consider as a crime. We can live without it OR we can ask the people who study whales in their environment to get a little skin scraping from one of their study subjects, or a few drops of blood when it is taken for real scientific purpose (I do not think it would be easy to milk a whale.....), the same way it has been done for proving of birds and other non-mammalian animals.
It might appear to many that we are overreacting, but understand that this is an emotional issue for us.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit my new website www.naturamedica.webs.com
We people of the South Pacific are very sensitive to the whole whaling issue; it is not just hunting of another species, it has to do with a specific relation with an intelligent animal.
Even the traditional Japanese hunting was conducted with respect and deference. The traditional Maori whaling too. When a beached whale, or dolphin, cannot be rescued and dies, it is studied to try to understand why the beaching occurred then buried with full Maori ceremonial, as a member of our extended family.
What is happening today has nothing to do with feeding populations; the expense of a whaling expedition is not even covered by the proceeds of selling the meat; we really do not understand what the purpose of sending expensive boats with modern equipment on the other side of the world, basically invading our maritime territory, is at all.
Proponents of whaling claim there is no difference between harvesting whales and cows or sheep. Yet there is. How many of us would accept to eat elephant, chimpanzee, gorilla or orang-utang meat? Like whales and dolphins, those are intelligent species that should be left alone.
Requesting a little piece of blubber from an animal that is anyway already killed appears to be innocent, and I do believe there was no cruelty or insensitivity involved in the request. Nevertheless it gives some little acceptance to the perpetuation of what we consider as a crime. We can live without it OR we can ask the people who study whales in their environment to get a little skin scraping from one of their study subjects, or a few drops of blood when it is taken for real scientific purpose (I do not think it would be easy to milk a whale.....), the same way it has been done for proving of birds and other non-mammalian animals.
It might appear to many that we are overreacting, but understand that this is an emotional issue for us.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit my new website www.naturamedica.webs.com
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Liz Brynin
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Re: looking for some whale blubber
I have to say that I agree with John here.
1) There are already so many remedies - if I could use just the polychrests accurately I would be a great homeopath!
2) I think it behoves us as homeopaths to think very carefully before we accept the idea of another species suffering for our own comfort. Taking an eagle's feather is not necessarily intrusive, but removing blubber - even from a dead whale - is.
3) Those who argue that a whale may already be dead have forgotten that, if homeopaths acquire the blubber from a source which has deliberately killed a whale for their own ends, they are simply colluding with the whole whale slaughtering industry.
Not something to be done lightly - for these several reasons.
Liz
Hello: I wonder if there is anyone who could send me some whale blubber, I am looking to make the remedy and do a proving. But am unable to locate a very small quantity. If you could assist in any way please let me know. I need about 1 tsp.
Thank you
Soula Kallinis in Toronto, Canada
1) There are already so many remedies - if I could use just the polychrests accurately I would be a great homeopath!
2) I think it behoves us as homeopaths to think very carefully before we accept the idea of another species suffering for our own comfort. Taking an eagle's feather is not necessarily intrusive, but removing blubber - even from a dead whale - is.
3) Those who argue that a whale may already be dead have forgotten that, if homeopaths acquire the blubber from a source which has deliberately killed a whale for their own ends, they are simply colluding with the whole whale slaughtering industry.
Not something to be done lightly - for these several reasons.
Liz
Hello: I wonder if there is anyone who could send me some whale blubber, I am looking to make the remedy and do a proving. But am unable to locate a very small quantity. If you could assist in any way please let me know. I need about 1 tsp.
Thank you
Soula Kallinis in Toronto, Canada
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Tanya Marquette
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Re: looking for some whale blubber
That was my point much more simply put when I suggested contacting the Native group in Washington State.
I think we all need to think about what we do in life. We, as a society, have become so removed from nature that
we often don't perceive our self-centeredness. It is good to have these discussions where issues of life get put
on the table and scrutinized. It helps remind us of our connections to a world that is not just about 'us.'
tanya
I must agree with John here.
We people of the South Pacific are very sensitive to the whole whaling issue; it is not just hunting of another species, it has to do with a specific relation with an intelligent animal.
Even the traditional Japanese hunting was conducted with respect and deference. The traditional Maori whaling too. When a beached whale, or dolphin, cannot be rescued and dies, it is studied to try to understand why the beaching occurred then buried with full Maori ceremonial, as a member of our extended family.
What is happening today has nothing to do with feeding populations; the expense of a whaling expedition is not even covered by the proceeds of selling the meat; we really do not understand what the purpose of sending expensive boats with modern equipment on the other side of the world, basically invading our maritime territory, is at all.
Proponents of whaling claim there is no difference between harvesting whales and cows or sheep. Yet there is. How many of us would accept to eat elephant, chimpanzee, gorilla or orang-utang meat? Like whales and dolphins, those are intelligent species that should be left alone.
Requesting a little piece of blubber from an animal that is anyway already killed appears to be innocent, and I do believe there was no cruelty or insensitivity involved in the request. Nevertheless it gives some little acceptance to the perpetuation of what we consider as a crime. We can live without it OR we can ask the people who study whales in their environment to get a little skin scraping from one of their study subjects, or a few drops of blood when it is taken for real scientific purpose (I do not think it would be easy to milk a whale.....), the same way it has been done for proving of birds and other non-mammalian animals.
It might appear to many that we are overreacting, but understand that this is an emotional issue for us.
??? ???
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit my new website www.naturamedica.webs.com
I think we all need to think about what we do in life. We, as a society, have become so removed from nature that
we often don't perceive our self-centeredness. It is good to have these discussions where issues of life get put
on the table and scrutinized. It helps remind us of our connections to a world that is not just about 'us.'
tanya
I must agree with John here.
We people of the South Pacific are very sensitive to the whole whaling issue; it is not just hunting of another species, it has to do with a specific relation with an intelligent animal.
Even the traditional Japanese hunting was conducted with respect and deference. The traditional Maori whaling too. When a beached whale, or dolphin, cannot be rescued and dies, it is studied to try to understand why the beaching occurred then buried with full Maori ceremonial, as a member of our extended family.
What is happening today has nothing to do with feeding populations; the expense of a whaling expedition is not even covered by the proceeds of selling the meat; we really do not understand what the purpose of sending expensive boats with modern equipment on the other side of the world, basically invading our maritime territory, is at all.
Proponents of whaling claim there is no difference between harvesting whales and cows or sheep. Yet there is. How many of us would accept to eat elephant, chimpanzee, gorilla or orang-utang meat? Like whales and dolphins, those are intelligent species that should be left alone.
Requesting a little piece of blubber from an animal that is anyway already killed appears to be innocent, and I do believe there was no cruelty or insensitivity involved in the request. Nevertheless it gives some little acceptance to the perpetuation of what we consider as a crime. We can live without it OR we can ask the people who study whales in their environment to get a little skin scraping from one of their study subjects, or a few drops of blood when it is taken for real scientific purpose (I do not think it would be easy to milk a whale.....), the same way it has been done for proving of birds and other non-mammalian animals.
It might appear to many that we are overreacting, but understand that this is an emotional issue for us.
??? ???
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit my new website www.naturamedica.webs.com
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: looking for some whale blubber
She didn't say, Hey, can someone kill a whale for me, so I can get a tsp of blubber. Come on. I am declining to discuss the methods or practices of Japanese whalers, speaking of off-topic. When animal bits have been obtained for other animal provings, they did not involve paying a bounty hunter to go out and kill one. (Although some of the insect provings have involved methods that the target insect was doubtless not happy about.) Blubber would not need to be from a living or a freshly killed whale.
John, sometimes I think you just like to pick fights!
:-/
Hello: I wonder if there is anyone who could send me some whale blubber, I am looking to make the remedy and do a proving. But am unable to locate a very small quantity. If you could assist in any way please let me know. I need about 1 tsp.
Thank you
Soula Kallinis in Toronto, Canada
John, sometimes I think you just like to pick fights!
:-/
Hello: I wonder if there is anyone who could send me some whale blubber, I am looking to make the remedy and do a proving. But am unable to locate a very small quantity. If you could assist in any way please let me know. I need about 1 tsp.
Thank you
Soula Kallinis in Toronto, Canada
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: looking for some whale blubber
If I'd thought the request was for someone to go kill a whale, I would have reacted the same. Never mind, I've said all I had to. Cheers.
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Tanya Marquette
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Re: looking for some whale blubber
Shannon
I learned that when and how a sample is harvested is an important part of any proving. For
example, getting lion's milk from a captive cat is different from that from a wild cat. I would think
that a sample that has been on storage from an animal killed brutally would make for a different
proving than from an animal harvested differently.
tanya
Hello: I wonder if there is anyone who could send me some whale blubber, I am looking to make the remedy and do a proving. But am unable to locate a very small quantity. If you could assist in any way please let me know. I need about 1 tsp.
Thank you
Soula Kallinis in Toronto, Canada
I learned that when and how a sample is harvested is an important part of any proving. For
example, getting lion's milk from a captive cat is different from that from a wild cat. I would think
that a sample that has been on storage from an animal killed brutally would make for a different
proving than from an animal harvested differently.
tanya
Hello: I wonder if there is anyone who could send me some whale blubber, I am looking to make the remedy and do a proving. But am unable to locate a very small quantity. If you could assist in any way please let me know. I need about 1 tsp.
Thank you
Soula Kallinis in Toronto, Canada
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: looking for some whale blubber
Then perhaps someone should have simply brought that issue up and asked what sort of source she was looking for and whether she'd considered the issues, rather than casting the asker and any "defenders" as heartless, soulless, mindless supporters of the destruction of wildlife. Again I say, "sheesh"...
Hello: I wonder if there is anyone who could send me some whale blubber, I am looking to make the remedy and do a proving. But am unable to locate a very small quantity. If you could assist in any way please let me know. I need about 1 tsp.
Thank you
Soula Kallinis in Toronto, Canada
Hello: I wonder if there is anyone who could send me some whale blubber, I am looking to make the remedy and do a proving. But am unable to locate a very small quantity. If you could assist in any way please let me know. I need about 1 tsp.
Thank you
Soula Kallinis in Toronto, Canada