my homeopath told me to make a lemon juice and sea salt drink to help 'norish' my liver so I don't flare up so easily. The amount of salt i need t add to the drink is 1/4 teaspoon...she said no need to worry because it's 'good salt'...I wish to know if good salt can be taken excessively given a high blood pressure condition?
Hypertension is a symptom, and nothing but a symptom, with the additional problem that it can be undetected for many years and cause all the problems you mention.
Once the BP has been measured and it is realised that there is a symptom (although without a complaint), then the full homeopathic work can start.
Do I make any sense here??
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
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Salt consumption
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Tanya Marquette
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Re: Salt consumption
anything can be taken excessively!
tanya
Hypertension is a symptom, and nothing but a symptom, with the additional problem that it can be undetected for many years and cause all the problems you mention.?
?
Once the BP has been measured and it is realised that there is a symptom (although without a complaint), then the full homeopathic work can start.
?
?
Do I make any sense here???
?
??? ???
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit my new website? www.naturamedica.webs.com ?
?
tanya
Hypertension is a symptom, and nothing but a symptom, with the additional problem that it can be undetected for many years and cause all the problems you mention.?
?
Once the BP has been measured and it is realised that there is a symptom (although without a complaint), then the full homeopathic work can start.
?
?
Do I make any sense here???
?
??? ???
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit my new website? www.naturamedica.webs.com ?
?
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John Harvey
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Re: Salt consumption
The post that Shannon replied to (included below) answers this question. Yes, "good" salt is sodium chloride still and causes high blood pressure. Yes, it is readily taken in excess. Most westerners suffer from excessive consumption of it. The blood pressure of most westerners increases throughout life for exactly that reason. Read any thorough modern book on nutrition, and you'll find plenty of reference to this. Short-term medicinal use for a particular purpose probably won't induce long-term hypertension, but it doesn't take long to induce.
You'll be far clearer about some of these matters when you understand the basics of homoeopathy, which never ever seeks to use the primary effects of a substance (its abilities to derange health), as your "homeopath" did in recommending the mixture of lemon juice and salt to "nourish" your liver. Though sodium is a nutrient and lemon is a food, anybody seeking to "nourish" a particular organ is seeking to use not nutrition but medicine.
Cheers --
John
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You'll be far clearer about some of these matters when you understand the basics of homoeopathy, which never ever seeks to use the primary effects of a substance (its abilities to derange health), as your "homeopath" did in recommending the mixture of lemon juice and salt to "nourish" your liver. Though sodium is a nutrient and lemon is a food, anybody seeking to "nourish" a particular organ is seeking to use not nutrition but medicine.
Cheers --
John
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"Truth would quickly cease to be stranger than fiction, once we got as used to it."
-- H.L. Mencken, A Little Book in C Major.
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Theresa Partington
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Re: Salt consumption
An elderly patient of mine was found to have a salt deficiency and improved greatly by reintroducing small amounts of salt into her cooking. Apparently it is not uncommon for elderly women to completely eliminate salt from an already sparse diet because their husbands have high blood pressure - and then to start exhibiting deficiency symptoms themselves.
Theresa
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Theresa
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: Salt consumption
I dunno, John, lemon juice is just good food... It's good for the liver too, so call it medicine if you like, but I'm perplexed why anyone would consider lemon juice bad? Adding salt is sometimes done for electrolyte replenishment, and again, I don't see why this is bad. As I noted, salt is a *food*, one of the only five tastes we are given, has been used and sought by both humans and other animals, ever since there have *been* humans and other animals. Some people really, truly, do need salt sometimes.... Personally I'd be more inclined to do them *separately*, and see how much of which my body seems to want, need and benefit from, tho.
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John Harvey
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Re: Salt consumption
Hi, Shannon --
Yes, I agree with all that. My take on it is that an evolutionary perspective of food doesn't suggest that we're adapted particularly to consuming salty food (e.g. ocean fish) and lemon together rather than separately. For that reason, though I'm unaware of the combination of the two producing anything new, IF it's true that giving them together can affect one particular organ, then that's an effect that is likely to be medicinal and to oppose homoeopathic treatment by imposing its own primary effects.
In addition, the quantities of salt being recommended seem enough to induce high blood pressure by themselves in anyone who is not consuming reasonable quantities of fresh fruit.
That said, a quarter of a U.S. teaspoonful of salt masses 1.5 grams, which contains 0.59 grams of sodium, or 25.7 millimoles of sodium. Lemon juice contains 38 mg of potassium per ounce. A medium-sized lemon might yield two ounces of juice, 76 mg of potassium, close enough to 78 mg, or 2 millimoles of potassium. This does go some way to counteracting the sodium. But it would require another dozen lemon juices a day, or a great deal more fresh fruit, to completely undo the medicinal effects of the sodium contained in the daily 1/4-teaspoonful of salt suggested. So anybody who has been consuming 1/4 teaspoonful of salt in two ounces of lemon juice daily is likely to have been increasing her blood pressure in that period.
That's my reasoning. Perhaps someone would like to check the maths for me.
Cheers!
John
Yes, I agree with all that. My take on it is that an evolutionary perspective of food doesn't suggest that we're adapted particularly to consuming salty food (e.g. ocean fish) and lemon together rather than separately. For that reason, though I'm unaware of the combination of the two producing anything new, IF it's true that giving them together can affect one particular organ, then that's an effect that is likely to be medicinal and to oppose homoeopathic treatment by imposing its own primary effects.
In addition, the quantities of salt being recommended seem enough to induce high blood pressure by themselves in anyone who is not consuming reasonable quantities of fresh fruit.
That said, a quarter of a U.S. teaspoonful of salt masses 1.5 grams, which contains 0.59 grams of sodium, or 25.7 millimoles of sodium. Lemon juice contains 38 mg of potassium per ounce. A medium-sized lemon might yield two ounces of juice, 76 mg of potassium, close enough to 78 mg, or 2 millimoles of potassium. This does go some way to counteracting the sodium. But it would require another dozen lemon juices a day, or a great deal more fresh fruit, to completely undo the medicinal effects of the sodium contained in the daily 1/4-teaspoonful of salt suggested. So anybody who has been consuming 1/4 teaspoonful of salt in two ounces of lemon juice daily is likely to have been increasing her blood pressure in that period.
That's my reasoning. Perhaps someone would like to check the maths for me.
Cheers!
John
Re: Salt consumption
Hi Shannon,
Do you remember if it was iodized salt?
I wonder how much of your fatigue might have been thyroid weakness
due to iodine deficiency. Were you supplementing with iodine
over that year?
Roger
Do you remember if it was iodized salt?
I wonder how much of your fatigue might have been thyroid weakness
due to iodine deficiency. Were you supplementing with iodine
over that year?
Roger
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Roger Van Zandvoort
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Re: Salt consumption
Urgent advice please:
I am in thailand and cannot reach any more regular source for information:
My son has been bitten by a prariedog (kind of rodent) and two light bites on his finger. Nothing of anything worse than a regular wound can be seen, however the zoo-emergency advices tetanus injection. My son never has had vaccination for tetanus and therefore would require a special serum with antibodies within 48 hours.
Can anybody advice on this:
Can be seen from the wound if infection has taken place?
Is it otherwise save enough to threat in case tetanus would come up and ignore the advice?
reactions welcome,
Roger
I am in thailand and cannot reach any more regular source for information:
My son has been bitten by a prariedog (kind of rodent) and two light bites on his finger. Nothing of anything worse than a regular wound can be seen, however the zoo-emergency advices tetanus injection. My son never has had vaccination for tetanus and therefore would require a special serum with antibodies within 48 hours.
Can anybody advice on this:
Can be seen from the wound if infection has taken place?
Is it otherwise save enough to threat in case tetanus would come up and ignore the advice?
reactions welcome,
Roger
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: Salt consumption
Hi Roger,
Sympathy for your situation!!!
When we had a similar situation here in years past, I chose not to, based on information given (I'll attach some here), but that is with reference to the US, so you'd also need to consider conditions where you are. (That said, could tetanus *ever* be transferred by "two light bites"?? I'm taught that the tetanus "bug" is extremely fragile, and can't survive any reasonable exposure to air and/or soap; puncture wounds would be more the risk.)
See if this helps (I especially found Will Taylor's info useful!!):
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:04:10 -0400
To: "homeopathy@lyghtforce.com " >
From: will taylor >
Worldwide, there are an estimated 300,000 - 500,000 cases of tetanus per year. The tetanus bacillus survives best in soil rich with organic matter in hot, damp climates, and is more prevalent in densely populated regions. It is rare in polar regions and relatively uncommon in the northern temperate zones.
There are less than 100 documented cases of tetanus in the U.S. annually. The majority of U.S. cases are in persons over 50, and only 5% of U.S. cases are in persons under 20 years old (i.e., there are less than 5 cases per year in children and adolescents in the U.S.). The highest incidence in the U.S. is among the poor in the southern states. Necrotic skin ulcers, burns, surgical wounds and IV drug use may create anaerobic lesions that invite a disproportionate number of tetanus cases; but it may also complicate simple lacerations and puncture wounds, dental infection, otitis media, miscarriage and abortion, and infection of the umbilical stump of newborns.
In the years just prior to widespread vaccination, there were approx. 500 tetanus cases in the U.S. per year. Some of the subsequent decrease can be attributed to vaccination, and some to reduced exposure and continued improvements in wound care. About 87% of U.S. children have received a primary series of tetanus vaccination, and temporary immunity is confered transplacentally to newborns from vaccine-immune mothers. Adults often do not receive the CDC (U.S. Centers for Disease Control) recommended tetanus booster vaccinations, and 1/3 to 2/3 of adults 60 or older lack circulating tetanus antitoxin antibody.
The case-fatality rate of tetanus world-wide is 45%, and in the U.S. is about 30% for persons over 50, and less than 5% in persons under 50. When symptoms occur within 2-3 days of injury, the mortality rate nears 100%. In 20% of morbid cases, death is attributable to the the direct effects of tetanus toxin, through cardiovascular and pulmonary events. Pneumonia related to aspiration and atelectasis is a common late complication, and is the major immediate cause of mortality following tetanus. Most survivors recover completely within 4 weeks. Natural infection typically does not confer immunity.
Conventional medical management of tetanus will reflect the severity of the case, but involves both conservative/supportive measures that even Hahnemann or Ernest Farrington would not frown at, including intensive-care-unit nursing and observation, debridement & drainage of the originating wound, IV fluid & electrolyte management, avoidance of respiratory secretion aspiration, tracheostomy in more severe cases and bedside preparation for this in milder cases. I think it's important to realize that conventional medical care in most parts of the world monopolizes access to this level of supportive care, with the allopathy as a side-dish. In addition to these supportive measures, allopathic pharmacologic management involves administration of human or equine tetanus immune globulin, mild sedation and pharmacologic management of muscle spasm. These measures do reduce the case-fatality ratio.
Those less-than-100 cases per year (happily) don't give many of us experience with this illness. I've seen only one case, in a burn-unit patient, way back in my residency days. Even back when there were 500 cases/year in the U.S., and in regions where this is a more prevalent disease, it is unlikely that any individual will accumulate any real experience in treating it.
Read the Materia Medica on Ledum and on Hypericum in J.T. Kent, M.L. Tyler, and J.H. Clarke. I don't find in the literature a plethora of cured tetanus cases, but there is mention of a few. An anamnesis of the collective pathological symptoms of tetanus certainly does bring up Ledum and Hypericum as front-runners in the treatment of individual cases of this disease. I would be hesitant to tackle it without recourse to the supportive measures of hospital managment.
Will Taylor, MD Homoeopathy Website at:
on old browsers
Luise wrote...
Will wrote..
Absolutely! Heck, there are only something like 5 cases of tetanus per
year in the entire U.S., and the major risk factors are IV drug use, major
burns, and stasis ulcers in the elderly. I only saw 2 cases in my very
intensive medical training, both major (>50% whole body) burns. Most docs
have never seen it. & I live in the far north, where tetanus spore does
not survive well in the soil.
I don't think the Ledum I gave Ben [his son] did diddly-squat, unless it helped to
lessen the pain of the wound. I wasn't trying to credit it for preventing
tetanus in his case (tho I can see how one might have read that into my
posting).
What I was trying to say, was that the decision to skip immunization can
sometimes be severely tested at the 11th hour - you know, like Louise said,
air-raids seem a whole lot more real when the bombs start falling. & That
happened for me - at least I could imagine the sound of approaching
airplane engines - I lay awake on his bedroom floor a good while, feeling
very tried for my decision to not immunize. Too late to reverse it then -
without the initial series of 3, a tetanus immunization that night would
not have been effective.
But then I came to the realization that I trusted homoeopathy more than the
immunization anyway. I had my Ledum, & my Hypericum, & my whole warehouse
of remedies, & my repertories & MMs & old books that smelled like kerosene
with pressed lentils between the pages ;^) . & I realized that God &
Hahnemann would not forsake me (that's for the folks who are concerned
about religious zealotry ;^) ). So I fell asleep & slept peacefully. &
The point is not that Ben was OK - of course Ben was OK - the point is that
his father was OK.
Well hey, I don't understand this either! ;^) I think what I said was
that I've had a number of parents of unvaccinated kids call me with 11th
hour concerns like mine, above. & We both suddenly discover that their
decision to not immunize was based on a naive disregard of the realities of
potential disease. Now (to borrow Louise's air-raid metaphor), the bombs
are falling & they freak, & they question the wisdom of their decision to
not immunize.
[...]
Will Taylor, MD
Homoeopathy Website at:
>
Sympathy for your situation!!!
When we had a similar situation here in years past, I chose not to, based on information given (I'll attach some here), but that is with reference to the US, so you'd also need to consider conditions where you are. (That said, could tetanus *ever* be transferred by "two light bites"?? I'm taught that the tetanus "bug" is extremely fragile, and can't survive any reasonable exposure to air and/or soap; puncture wounds would be more the risk.)
See if this helps (I especially found Will Taylor's info useful!!):
---------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:04:10 -0400
To: "homeopathy@lyghtforce.com " >
From: will taylor >
Worldwide, there are an estimated 300,000 - 500,000 cases of tetanus per year. The tetanus bacillus survives best in soil rich with organic matter in hot, damp climates, and is more prevalent in densely populated regions. It is rare in polar regions and relatively uncommon in the northern temperate zones.
There are less than 100 documented cases of tetanus in the U.S. annually. The majority of U.S. cases are in persons over 50, and only 5% of U.S. cases are in persons under 20 years old (i.e., there are less than 5 cases per year in children and adolescents in the U.S.). The highest incidence in the U.S. is among the poor in the southern states. Necrotic skin ulcers, burns, surgical wounds and IV drug use may create anaerobic lesions that invite a disproportionate number of tetanus cases; but it may also complicate simple lacerations and puncture wounds, dental infection, otitis media, miscarriage and abortion, and infection of the umbilical stump of newborns.
In the years just prior to widespread vaccination, there were approx. 500 tetanus cases in the U.S. per year. Some of the subsequent decrease can be attributed to vaccination, and some to reduced exposure and continued improvements in wound care. About 87% of U.S. children have received a primary series of tetanus vaccination, and temporary immunity is confered transplacentally to newborns from vaccine-immune mothers. Adults often do not receive the CDC (U.S. Centers for Disease Control) recommended tetanus booster vaccinations, and 1/3 to 2/3 of adults 60 or older lack circulating tetanus antitoxin antibody.
The case-fatality rate of tetanus world-wide is 45%, and in the U.S. is about 30% for persons over 50, and less than 5% in persons under 50. When symptoms occur within 2-3 days of injury, the mortality rate nears 100%. In 20% of morbid cases, death is attributable to the the direct effects of tetanus toxin, through cardiovascular and pulmonary events. Pneumonia related to aspiration and atelectasis is a common late complication, and is the major immediate cause of mortality following tetanus. Most survivors recover completely within 4 weeks. Natural infection typically does not confer immunity.
Conventional medical management of tetanus will reflect the severity of the case, but involves both conservative/supportive measures that even Hahnemann or Ernest Farrington would not frown at, including intensive-care-unit nursing and observation, debridement & drainage of the originating wound, IV fluid & electrolyte management, avoidance of respiratory secretion aspiration, tracheostomy in more severe cases and bedside preparation for this in milder cases. I think it's important to realize that conventional medical care in most parts of the world monopolizes access to this level of supportive care, with the allopathy as a side-dish. In addition to these supportive measures, allopathic pharmacologic management involves administration of human or equine tetanus immune globulin, mild sedation and pharmacologic management of muscle spasm. These measures do reduce the case-fatality ratio.
Those less-than-100 cases per year (happily) don't give many of us experience with this illness. I've seen only one case, in a burn-unit patient, way back in my residency days. Even back when there were 500 cases/year in the U.S., and in regions where this is a more prevalent disease, it is unlikely that any individual will accumulate any real experience in treating it.
Read the Materia Medica on Ledum and on Hypericum in J.T. Kent, M.L. Tyler, and J.H. Clarke. I don't find in the literature a plethora of cured tetanus cases, but there is mention of a few. An anamnesis of the collective pathological symptoms of tetanus certainly does bring up Ledum and Hypericum as front-runners in the treatment of individual cases of this disease. I would be hesitant to tackle it without recourse to the supportive measures of hospital managment.
Will Taylor, MD Homoeopathy Website at:
on old browsers
Luise wrote...
Will wrote..
Absolutely! Heck, there are only something like 5 cases of tetanus per
year in the entire U.S., and the major risk factors are IV drug use, major
burns, and stasis ulcers in the elderly. I only saw 2 cases in my very
intensive medical training, both major (>50% whole body) burns. Most docs
have never seen it. & I live in the far north, where tetanus spore does
not survive well in the soil.
I don't think the Ledum I gave Ben [his son] did diddly-squat, unless it helped to
lessen the pain of the wound. I wasn't trying to credit it for preventing
tetanus in his case (tho I can see how one might have read that into my
posting).
What I was trying to say, was that the decision to skip immunization can
sometimes be severely tested at the 11th hour - you know, like Louise said,
air-raids seem a whole lot more real when the bombs start falling. & That
happened for me - at least I could imagine the sound of approaching
airplane engines - I lay awake on his bedroom floor a good while, feeling
very tried for my decision to not immunize. Too late to reverse it then -
without the initial series of 3, a tetanus immunization that night would
not have been effective.
But then I came to the realization that I trusted homoeopathy more than the
immunization anyway. I had my Ledum, & my Hypericum, & my whole warehouse
of remedies, & my repertories & MMs & old books that smelled like kerosene
with pressed lentils between the pages ;^) . & I realized that God &
Hahnemann would not forsake me (that's for the folks who are concerned
about religious zealotry ;^) ). So I fell asleep & slept peacefully. &
The point is not that Ben was OK - of course Ben was OK - the point is that
his father was OK.
Well hey, I don't understand this either! ;^) I think what I said was
that I've had a number of parents of unvaccinated kids call me with 11th
hour concerns like mine, above. & We both suddenly discover that their
decision to not immunize was based on a naive disregard of the realities of
potential disease. Now (to borrow Louise's air-raid metaphor), the bombs
are falling & they freak, & they question the wisdom of their decision to
not immunize.
[...]
Will Taylor, MD
Homoeopathy Website at:
>
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Ellen Madono
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Re: Salt consumption
Hi Roger,
Sorry to hear about your son.
In a report by Subrata Kumar Banergea, who has a large clinic in India, unlike other preventative remedies that had much higher success rates. Ledum had only a 50 percent success rate. I wish I could find the reference. I think I would get the vaccination.
This is what I tell my patients. I have no personal experience. The consequences of Tetanus are horrific as I am sure you know.
You cannot look at the wound and know if the prairy dog has tetanus. Extremely small amounts of the toxin are deadly. Puncturing the skin is enough. This is what I heard in lectures given to medical students.
In this lecture he describes a teenager who was bitten by a bat. Several weeks later she started to show indistinct symptoms. She was remarkable because she survived. She was put into a comma, put on a respirator and kept alive as she went through the spasms that the toxins create.
Blessings,
Ellen Madono
Sorry to hear about your son.
In a report by Subrata Kumar Banergea, who has a large clinic in India, unlike other preventative remedies that had much higher success rates. Ledum had only a 50 percent success rate. I wish I could find the reference. I think I would get the vaccination.
This is what I tell my patients. I have no personal experience. The consequences of Tetanus are horrific as I am sure you know.
You cannot look at the wound and know if the prairy dog has tetanus. Extremely small amounts of the toxin are deadly. Puncturing the skin is enough. This is what I heard in lectures given to medical students.
In this lecture he describes a teenager who was bitten by a bat. Several weeks later she started to show indistinct symptoms. She was remarkable because she survived. She was put into a comma, put on a respirator and kept alive as she went through the spasms that the toxins create.
Blessings,
Ellen Madono