OT: Vitamin D - Remarkable Paper in BritishMedicalJournal

[Kerry]

Donna said:
I respectfully ask you to consider that:

(My questions/answers between)

1. the soils are greatly depleted of their original nutritional content
- and that even 'organic local' is not necessarily as full of nutrients
as it was even a few years ago.

...........A good reason to source food from as many places as possible:
what is missing in one soil might be readily available in another. But
you also have to sadly doubt as to whether organic is truly organic.
Living in a farming community I am only too aware of the tricks that can
go on: farmers getting neighbouring farmers to purchase non organic
fertilisers for them - they then pay the farmer in cash and get to label
their food as organic despite the fact that non organic fertilisers have
been used. Free range eggs being battery eggs disguised as free range
- sadly this is going on regularly.
2. the plants we grow are modified (by selective breeding and now by
genetic modification) for size, texture, flavor and shelf life - not
nutrition

..............I remember reading about an analysis of oranges purchased
in a supermarket. Many contained no vitamin c whatsoever.
3. the 'farm diet' requires farm 'life' as well - exposures, stresses,
working from dawn to dusk, and sleeping from dusk to dawn, etc. The
modern 'lifestyle' depletes nutrients at a far greater rate than the
original design called for

.................. What research have you seen that backs this up? I
would be interested to read it. Living the farm lifestyle I find that
my need for nutrients in greater than when I lived the modern lifestyle.
4. modern pharmaceuticals deplete the body beyond what is replenished by
food supplies (even good ones)

................A good reason to use homeopathy.

5. modern stresses deplete the nutrient stores of the body beyond what
is replenished by food supplies (even good ones)

...............Again I would be interested to read the research on this.
6. some modern humans have a set of inherited illnesses and 'dis-eases'
that is unlike our forefathers had to deal with - and the farm diet is
not sufficient to supply the special needs of those individuals.

.............Which diseases?
Kerry
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who
are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

[JULIE GRIFFITHS]

And the soils are plentiful in all sorts of toxins that when ingested
are antagonistic to resident trace minerals and vitamins...

I'm off now to investigate how to grow my own:-)) I'm so fed up of
having the wool literally pulled over my eyes:-((
Julie

kerry schrieb:

[Rona]

Hello Kerry,

Most of the biochemical research I am using concerning vitamin depletion and nutrient sources is found in the 23 pages of references in my book “Stress Repertory: Signs and Symptoms of Stress Induced Nutrient Depletion”. Anything specific I would be happy to discuss offlist – but since nutrition is OT to this list – I’ll refrain from any further comments on list.

Donna
D C Rona, PhD, ND, DHM
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Donna said:

I respectfully ask you to consider that:

(My questions/answers between)

1. the soils are greatly depleted of their original nutritional content
- and that even 'organic local' is not necessarily as full of nutrients
as it was even a few years ago.

...........A good reason to source food from as many places as possible:
what is missing in one soil might be readily available in another. But
you also have to sadly doubt as to whether organic is truly organic.
Living in a farming community I am only too aware of the tricks that can
go on: farmers getting neighbouring farmers to purchase non organic
fertilisers for them - they then pay the farmer in cash and get to label
their food as organic despite the fact that non organic fertilisers have
been used. Free range eggs being battery eggs disguised as free range
- sadly this is going on regularly.

2. the plants we grow are modified (by selective breeding and now by
genetic modification) for size, texture, flavor and shelf life - not
nutrition

..............I remember reading about an analysis of oranges purchased
in a supermarket. Many contained no vitamin c whatsoever.

3. the 'farm diet' requires farm 'life' as well - exposures, stresses,
working from dawn to dusk, and sleeping from dusk to dawn, etc. The
modern 'lifestyle' depletes nutrients at a far greater rate than the
original design called for

.................. What research have you seen that backs this up? I
would be interested to read it. Living the farm lifestyle I find that
my need for nutrients in greater than when I lived the modern lifestyle.

4. modern pharmaceuticals deplete the body beyond what is replenished by
food supplies (even good ones)

................A good reason to use homeopathy.

5. modern stresses deplete the nutrient stores of the body beyond what
is replenished by food supplies (even good ones)

...............Again I would be interested to read the research on this.

6. some modern humans have a set of inherited illnesses and 'dis-eases'
that is unlike our forefathers had to deal with - and the farm diet is
not sufficient to supply the special needs of those individuals.

.............Which diseases?

Kerry

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who
are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

[Tanya Marquette]

The name of the game today is knowledge--as much as we can get. How else
to make
an informed decision in such a complicated culture as ours in the west.
People spent several
years developing organic standards which big agribiz immediately began to
attack and try to
alter allowing various chemical protocols to be included. i believe using
sludge is acceptable
for organic growing. a bag of milorganite (sludge) markets itself as
organic but no tests are
ever done (as far as i have been able to ascertain) for heavy metals or
toxic chemicals.

Promoting the concept of "eat local" has become part of the answer to how
to know what your
food is about. But if a local grower uses chemicals or gm seed then it is
still toxic in my book and
i don't care if it was picked right before my eyes, it still is grown on
chemicalized soil, sprayed with
pesticides and probably has minimal nutrition compared to 100 yrs ago. I
recall reading that spinach
today has only 1/7 or 1/10 of the iron that it did 100 yrs ago due to soil
depletion.

Eating local and organic is an answer since you can visit the farms and see
what is being used and how
farms are operating. This weekend one of my local advocacy groups is
sponsoring an Eco Tour at one
of the local organic farms which also runs a CSA. Farming techniques,
energy saving practices and
low energy building with straw bale construction will be part of the
discussion. We do know about this
farm and how is grows food.

As for nutritional depletion from stress? There has been oodles of
information over the years on this.
In the 1960's when I was smoking like a chimney in NYC, the information was
a) that every cigarette
smoked = 30 mg Vit C (the FDA minimum daily requirement), and b) that
walking through downtown
Manhattan was like smoking 2 packs of cigarettes a day. I remember
adjusting my Vit C supplements
to accommodate all my smoking and walking, even back then.

Further, there is much information on how the B vitamins are stress
vitamins--they are used very quickly
by the body under stress and that includes emotional stress as well as
physical stress and disease.
Today the amount of Vit D3 needed is being discussed relative to the
stress level of your body. The
list goes on. Doesn't it make sense that the more energy the body exerts,
the more it will use its stores,
so the more it will need?

tanya
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[Kerry]

Tanya said:

"Eating local and organic is an answer since you can visit the farms and
see
what is being used and how
farms are operating. "

Just because you can visit a farm sadly doesn't make it a definite that
they are being honest about what is used or the supply of eggs. You can
visit some of the farms that I have known were selling battery eggs but
you would still have been none the wiser that you weren't eating free
range eggs. Likewise, you could go to a farm that had applied chemical
fertilizer on the sly and you wouldn't know they had done it.

Tanya said:

"As for nutritional depletion from stress? There has been oodles of
information over the years on this."

...........But that is a different issue from saying that a farm life
style requires different nutrients and is less stressful than a town
one.
Tanya said:

"Doesn't it make sense that the more energy the body exerts,
the more it will use its stores,
so the more it will need?"

..........Of course it does, but it doesn't necessarily follow that if
you live in a town and don't live a farm lifestyle then you exert more
energy! You would need to look at each individual and the way they
live: levels of stress, amount of exercise, amount of time spent out of
doors, etc. As with all subjects we are back to individualisation
rather than sweeping statements.

Kerry

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who
are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain