that the same potency shouldn't be given twice in a row

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Chris_Gillen
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Re: that the same potency shouldn't be given twice in a row

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Re: wooden toothpicks, contamination... Hahnemann suggested we could use charcoal instead of alcohol to preserve the contents of a remedy bottle, and that little piece of carbon doesn't leave a nasty contaminated footprint on the remedy. Maybe on the tastebuds...I don't know, I've never tried it.
Chris


Joy Lucas
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I have done this just to 'sweeten' drinking water as I have an old victorian water container where the inside filtering system requires charcoal. Too fiddly to use on a large scale and then you have to question the quality of the charcoal? Don't modern water filters have charcoal in them? There is always distilled water as an option.

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Vera Resnick
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thanks!
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Kerry
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Re: that the same potency shouldn't be given twice in a row

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Just suggested this for someone who can't use alcohol to preserve the remedy - has anyone out there tried it? From the instructions it looks like it's not supposed to get into the remedy, H says "if charcoal is used it is suspended by means of a thread in the vial and is taken out when the vial is succussed" (fn 184 to aph 248). Looks like it requires engineering skills.

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Liz Brynin
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Re: that the same potency shouldn't be given twice in a row

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John
You bore me. Please read my posts accurately without putting ideas and words into my mouth that I never said!
"Yes, of course after six weeks this patient would be coming to terms with the matter that had so afflicted her social relations, and even more so after another two months. To ignore the medicinal aggravations your repeated dry dosing evidently caused her (unnecessarily -- see §§ 248, 249); to guess that her mental state had no connection with the march of time and every connection with all the remedies you prescribed; and to forget to take note of the rest of her symptoms and what they indicated for the prescription and as a response to it, are three oversights that merely complicate the basic matter. And that is the matter of having forgotten to check whether the remedy's action was curative in the first place, arising partly because of the routinism that led you to prescribe an unchanged remedy weekly (and then twice daily!) without thinking to check her response to the previous dose and without heeding Hahnemann's very clear warnings concerning one's inability, in doing so, to limit the damage one may cause."

I have already said that she came back to see me - she phoned me - she felt better, and the dose was accordingly adjusted to take into account the improvement on the mental level and the corresponding < on the physical level. i.e. we dropped down to a more 'physical' level.
Her mental level was unbelievably changed when I saw her again, as I said.
At every step of her prescriptions her state was checked and things adjusted accordingly.
And she continued to improve, and the dermatitis worked its way down and out - there were no aggravations! Where do you get that from?! Things got < physically, and the dermatitis had spread, but the hair had stopped falling out so much and the whole problem bothered her much less. So the disease was coming out on the skin as the mental/emotional level improved.
And it continued to follow the laws of cure.
(by the way, it's not t.d. twice a day!!)
Liz


John Harvey
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Re: that the same potency shouldn't be given twice in a row

Post by John Harvey »

Er... Liz... Do you recall Hahnemann's suggesting anywhere that as long as the creams applied externally have relocated skin symptoms from the head and the patient's anguish has diminished, this means that repetition was the correct prescription but the potency needed reduction and the repetition -- in unchanging potency -- needed increase?
Any of these things, in any of his writings?
Can you tell us where Hahnemann wrote that between repetitions there is no need for checking on the results of the last dose?
Do you recall his expressing anywhere the least support for repeated unchanged doses?
Do you recall his suggestion anywhere that as the complaint of interest to the practitioner appears to become "more physical", the practitioner should reduce the potency? And increase the frequency?
Please: enlighten us. Perhaps we've all missed these pearls. Or, just possibly, your utter certainties are without foundation.
Cheers --
John
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Chris_Gillen
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Re: that the same potency shouldn't be given twice in a row

Post by Chris_Gillen »

Hi John,
Where would I purchase activated charcoal? Is it readily available in a supermarket - where the water filter thingys are kept?
Erm, is it going to fit through the neck of a 100ml medicine bottle :))? I wonder how much you need to use?
Thanks,
Chris.


Joy Lucas
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Re: that the same potency shouldn't be given twice in a row

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there's actually loads of places you can purchase it, even fish shops, aquarium fish not fish and chips shops :-)) sell it, depends whether it is produced with unnecessary additions, how pure it is, but it can come in pieces, granules or powder - here's one place

http://www.buyactivatedcharcoal.com/

hope useful, Joy
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Hi John,
Where would I purchase activated charcoal? Is it readily available in a supermarket - where the water filter thingys are kept?
Erm, is it going to fit through the neck of a 100ml medicine bottle :))? I wonder how much you need to use?
Thanks,
Chris.


John Harvey
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Re: that the same potency shouldn't be given twice in a row

Post by John Harvey »

No? I thought not.

Liz, your undentable certainty in having blown Hahnemann out of the water by using Nat. mur. in repeated dry doses without harm that you can comprehend, to result in a loss of dandruff and family, and in this result's being the best you could accomplish, is something that I hope one day you'll look back on and recognise as an exercise in attention deficiency rather than in considered art. And perhaps from that day you'll be able to do more for your patients than to defend your compounding errors.
Yours regretfully,

John
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: that the same potency shouldn't be given twice in a row

Post by Shannon Nelson »

Hi John,

I curious what you feel would have been the best and expected outcome of proper treatment in this case?

Shannon


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