that the same potency shouldn't be given twice in a row

[Carol Orr]

I'm wondering if taking same potency dry twice... if there is a
five-ten-twenty year since last taken ..makes any difference. With other
remedies in between there OR is "in a row" mean only right after one dry
dose?

[Teresa Kramer]

And how does all this rhyme with the fact that at least one well-known American prescriber uses 12c dry, daily over a month or so with (apparently) excellent results? Teresa (lay person, Northern VA)
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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Orr
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 5:26 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] that the same potency shouldn't be given twice in a row
I'm wondering if taking same potency dry twice... if there is a
five-ten-twenty year since last taken ..makes any difference. With other
remedies in between there OR is "in a row" mean only right after one dry
dose?

[Shannon Nelson]

As of when I was in school, approx 12 years ago, there were *many* homeopaths treating that way--Eizayaga's camp I think were part, possibly Vega Rozenberg may have also been teaching that, and I don't know who else--but there were quite a few in my classes who had been trained or treated that way. Some of them I found to be very well able to differentiate cure vs. suppression vs. palliation.
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[lightspirals]

Vera, nice way you shared this here. Do you think the bad reactions could have been the remedy selection? This can happen with dry, water, C, LM, etc. when the wrong remedy is given enough.
Liz

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Vera Resnick wrote:

[lightspirals]

The issues listed 2 messages below can happen with any method. I believe Teresa's question was, assuming those major practice principles *were* in order, how that relates to Carol's question. Carol, I think if there are remedies in-between and/or a certain stretch of time has lapsed, that H would not deem it a problem...I think he meant in reasonably close proximity. I also feel he would not condemn the use of same potency forever, no matter the circumstances. My own cure was one of them, and countless others by homeopaths for over 200 years. This must be given credit, whether a newer method is better or not. It's the prescriber at the helm that matters most, following their intuition as much with dosing as with selection. I've experienced dosing and profound healing without the remedy even given directly (no, not by one of those machines)...which of course was properly selected. That 'dosing' is not in any edition I'm aware of. Hahnemann ran out of time to do everything that homeopathy within his principles could reach, or to perhaps come back around to integrate the best of all his work. I don't mean combos and all that, but along his principles still. Point is, we must be careful not to create dogma.

It would be nice to see more positive productivity and less negative assumptions, bordering sarcasm. At least it really comes across that way. It's wonderful to offer guidance, share wisdom and experiences, others will learn. Create new schools if there is a need for more education, share informational pieces. It is not productive or helpful teaching to attack or discredit others when one is not truly in the position to judge.

There is certainly validity in the fact there is poor prescribing out there, well-known, but what goes on here is often aimed at those not deserving, at least not to that degree, or general blanket statements are made about other homeopaths. There are some good points, but others go too far. Take that energy/focus and put it toward progress for us all. We don't need homeopath police on the list, but sharing & teaching with love, respect & kindness. So much more welcome.

I'll probably get it myself for saying all this- but can't help it, I'm on a remedy that's about healing fundamental separation, which includes my homeopathic community. Bashing only drives it apart. For 10 years I've worked at building community, educating and changing legal issues to practice. We're already too separate, therefore weak, and don't need *anything* to feed it. Let's work toward oneness in ourselves and how homeopathy can become whole.

Thank you Jennifer for the nice poem.
Liz
In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Shannon & Bob Nelson shannonnelson@...wrote:

As of when I was in school, approx 12 years ago, there were *many*
homeopaths treating that way--Eizayaga's camp I think were part,
possibly Vega Rozenberg may have also been teaching that, and I don't know who else--but there were quite a few in my classes who had been trained or treated that way. Some of them I found to be very well able to differentiate cure vs. suppression vs. palliation.
At 07:07 AM 12/5/2009, you wrote:

Teresa's question:
And how does all this rhyme with the fact that at least one well-known American prescriber uses 12c dry, daily over a month or so with (apparently) excellent results? Teresa (lay person, Northern VA)
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Orr
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 5:26 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] that the same potency shouldn't be given twice in a row

I'm wondering if taking same potency dry twice... if there is a

[Kerry]

But can't you only work towards 'oneness', by promoting good practices
and highlighting all of the poor and sloppy prescribing by homeopaths
that are really not that bothered about the welfare of their patients?
Or do you feel that 'oneness' should be all the poorly trained
homeopaths being welcomed by the well trained ones? If yes to the
latter, won't that just drag the practice of homeopathy down even lower
than it has already fallen?

Kerry

[Rachel]

just for the sake of conversation, i'm going to add my own experience here. i graduated from school of homeopathy new york in '04. this is the US branch of misha norland's UK school of homeopathy. i had 2 children right after graduation, still have my full time job, so i haven't practiced a whole lot since '04, altho i do study still and i have a patient here or there. so that's my hand in.
in our school we theoretically went thru the entire organon, but in reality i think we skipped large sections. we talked about it here or there, but it wasn't really emphasized as our foundation. we mostly talked about C potencies. some of the instructors used LMs but LM was something novel, and honestly i still have not fully mastered them. i've been prescribed LMs a few times but have always responded better to Cs. i've used LMs and water potencies sometimes but i dont feel that comfortable like i do with Cs. this interaction online has been illuminating to me and i'm going to think more about LMs and water potencies in the future.
the other problem is financial and practical - i own about 1000 remedies, all in C potencies. LMs cost a fortune, far more than Cs. it makes me sigh deeply, thinking about abandoning my Cs.
hope that was interesting. i know it didn't really add that much to the discussion. just another perspective.
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From: lightspirals
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, December 6, 2009 3:13:31 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Minutus] that the same potency shouldn't be given twice in a row
Vera, nice way you shared this here. Do you think the bad reactions could have been the remedy selection? This can happen with dry, water, C, LM, etc. when the wrong remedy is given enough.
Liz

--- In minutus@yahoogroups .com , Vera Resnick wrote:

[Kerry]

Hi Rachel

I don't think it is a case of abandoning C's but more a case of
expanding the options for treatment with everything having its place. I
purchased a set of LM's from India that contained 100 remedies of LM
0/1, 0/2 and 0/3. They are made to Hahnemann's standards and are far
cheaper than buying in the US. I can't for the life of me think of the
company, but Sheri will probably know as she has posted about them in
the past - hopefully she will chip in here. I also bought a set of 6c
with 300 remedies, a set of 12c with 300 remedies and many single
remedies in 30c, 200c, 1m and 10m. It was the best move I have made as
I have the remedies to hand when I need them, whereas before I always
had to either compromise on potency if I needed them in an emergency, or
I had to buy them and wait for at least a couple of days, and frequently
longer, to get them.
You have probably already come across these articles of David Little's,
but others on the list might not have, so I thought it would be good to
provide the links again:

http://www.simillimum.com/education/lit ... f-great-ho
moeopaths/ham/article01.php

http://www.simillimum.com/education/lit ... ment/acclp
/article.php

http://www.simillimum.com/education/lit ... ment/asd/a
rticle.php

http://www.simillimum.com/education/lit ... ment/sls/a
rticle.php

Kerry

[Rachel]

hi Kerry. do you mean you had it shipped?
i studied in india in '03 for just a month and i bought about 500 rxs for pennies! this is where a good portion of my stash comes from. that's funny. but i dont know about buying them and having them shipped. i'd definitely be very into the idea if you have a source.
of course what i really want to do is go back, stay a year, and buy all the rxs i still don't have....but that's still in the works!
thanks for your input.
Rachel
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From: Kerry
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, December 6, 2009 9:12:03 AM
Subject: RE: Fw: [Minutus] that the same potency shouldn't be given twice in a row
Hi Rachel

I don't think it is a case of abandoning C's but more a case of
expanding the options for treatment with everything having its place. I
purchased a set of LM's from India that contained 100 remedies of LM
0/1, 0/2 and 0/3. They are made to Hahnemann's standards and are far
cheaper than buying in the US. I can't for the life of me think of the
company, but Sheri will probably know as she has posted about them in
the past - hopefully she will chip in here. I also bought a set of 6c
with 300 remedies, a set of 12c with 300 remedies and many single
remedies in 30c, 200c, 1m and 10m. It was the best move I have made as
I have the remedies to hand when I need them, whereas before I always
had to either compromise on potency if I needed them in an emergency, or
I had to buy them and wait for at least a couple of days, and frequently
longer, to get them.

You have probably already come across these articles of David Little's,
but others on the list might not have, so I thought it would be good to
provide the links again:

http://www.simillimum.com/education/lit ... f-great-ho
moeopaths/ham/ article01. php

http://www.simillimum.com/education/lit ... ment/acclp
/article.php

http://www.simillimum.com/education/lit ... ment/asd/a
rticle.php

http://www.simillimum.com/education/lit ... ment/sls/a
rticle.php

Kerry

[Kerry]

Hi Rachel

Yes I had them shipped and they still only worked out at about 60p
(including shipping) a bottle as compared to over £4 + shipping a bottle
in the UK. There is a homeopath in the US that does regular orders from
the company but it is just as cheap to order direct from them. I will
keep racking my brains for the name - I have just remembered:
http://www.homoeopathy-course.com/m1.htm

Kerry