Miasmatic influence

[Joy Lucas]

If you were faced with the following disease time line within a family what would you consider to be the miasmatic influence

smallpox - malaria (or malaria type fever) - migraines - wounds refusing to heal (exceptionally painful) - skin ulcers - gangrene - excessive fastidiousness - depression - gradual impairment of nature, i.e. development of anger, rage (could be the pain) and paranoia - rapid and vast weight gain (or swelling of the body) - strokes - death

offspring (from various mothers) suffered infertility, cancer, wasting, nails falling out (but all were intelligent people)

Just curious

Joy
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[Liz Brynin]

I would say syphilitic.
Liz

[Shannon Nelson]

Me too, tho I never asssume anything any more about miasms since hearing the bits-and-pieces about other, non-Hahnemannian miasms, which apparently can help to specify better choices? But I too would begin with syphilitic.

Eager to hear your thought, Joy!
Shannon

[gail.allen]

Why just one - there is a hotch potch of stuff in here that can be in
any miasm, so if we just need to choose one I would say it started with
Psora, treating whatever is on the surface will lead you back to Psora.

The small pox infection would begin a Sycotic trail. Not sure where
Malaria fits in in terms of traditional miasms, it adds in an element of
intermittant fevers, recurrances, relapses, China the most typical
remedy is listed as one of the Tubercular Miasm remedies. The mix of
Psora and Sycosis will take you through the list of symptoms to the
rapid weight gain, add in the Tubercular to go through to the wasting
diseases, with infertility and cancer added looking like the Cancer
miasm. So the Cancer miasm is the culmination of the blend of Psora,
Sycosis and Tubercular.

Gail
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[Sheri Nakken]

Sounds like it might be helpful if people would be able to understand
what a miasm is

I'll share some info I have that I use in my classes.............

It helped when I was in school to make a chart with 3 columns across
the top - one for each of the main miasms - psora, sycosis and syphilis
Then list under each heading different types of symptoms that would
be associated with that miasm

Like.......... Psora Sycosis Syphilis
Underfunction Overfunction Destruction

under those write symptoms that fit into each category

Here is more info.................

http://homeoint.org/books/hahorgan/organ060.htm#P72
Acute & Chronic Diseases
Aphorisms 72-81

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Dr. Luc answers question on Miasms

Questions to Dr.Luc:

3 main miasms had been discovered by Hahnemann, how many were
discovered later? How many official miasms are now? From my point of
view 3 main ones cover pretty much every disease which is out there,
is there a real practical need in more? Does it really help to treat people?
if there are 2 or 3 miasms involved what is the correct "route" of
treating them? As Hahnemann pointed out it should be
Psora->Sycosis->Syphilis (starting healing process with Psora).
Dr. Luc: this is an excellent question at a time where I see
homeopaths multiplying miasmatic states like there is no end to it. I
have dedicated a whole new chapter in my upcoming book (Miasms
Revisited) . It is good to go to the source (Hahnemann): there are
only three chronic miasms (Psora-sycosis-syphilis) and one half acute
miasm (rabies) according to Hahnemann. The rest (TB, Cancer) are
mixed miasms...There are only three defense reactions possible from a
cell: irritation (psora), induration (sycosis overbuild) or prolaps
(sycosis underbuilt) and destruction (syphilis-also self
destruction). Read very carefully A78 and you will see this all
expressed. My book will bring great insight in this. This will bring
clarity in the nonsense I read from "modern" gurus who make the
practice of homeopathy very difficult, foggy and make the
practitioner only confused
Warm regards
dr luc

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There is a controversy about how many miasms or classes of miasms there are

I use Psora, Sycosis & Syphilitic predominantly and sometimes a class
that is kind of between which is call Tubercular (a cross between
Psoric & Syphilitic).
With chronic treatment the symptom picture will point to what miasm is active
Then each remedy fits somewhat into 1 or more of these miasms and so
you also want to be sure the remedy you choose based on the symptom
picture also fits the maism.

One quick guide is
Psora - underproduction (fatigue, lack of energy, dryness, lack of
confidence, hyposensitivity, any symptom that shows underproduction)
Sycosis - overproduction (excess mucus, warts, growths,
hyperactivity, hypersensitivity, allergies, tumors, any symptoms that
is an over-reaction or over production)
Syphilitic - destructive (mental and emotional destructive behaviors,
birth defects, cancers, autism, tissue destruction, gangrene, ulcers
Tubercular - a little harder to classify

Gina Tyler has a good article here
http://www.hpathy.com/philosophy/tyler- ... mptoms.asp

and some info here
http://www.njhonline.com/2002/may_jun_n ... asm2.shtml

There are many other characteristics of symptoms of each of these miasms

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Shahrdar, Ardavan Dr. Hahnemannian Approach to Miasms - article on his
website
http://www.minutus.org/library/article_read.asp?id=72
http://homeopathy-homeopathics-remedies ... Miasms.htm

Hahnemann and Miasms

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http://homeopathy-homeopathics-remedies ... -Today.htm

Miasmatic Philosophy Today

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Here are some good resources for miasm theory - won't use with acute
or first aid treatment but for your own information
Choudhury, H. Indications of Miasm - whole book
Hahnemann, S. Organon 6th edition
Hahnemann, S. Chronic Diseases - Miasms - online
Kent, J.T. Lectures on Homeopathic Materia Medica - Lectures 18 - 21 - online
Kent, J.T. Lecturers on Homeopathic Philosophy - online
Little, David Variety of Articles at http://www.simillimum.com
Nosodes in Homepathy
Sycosis & Gonorrhea
Questions About the Chronic Miasms
Miasms in Classical Homeoapthy
Ortega, P. Notes on the Miasms - whole book
Roberts. H.A. The Principles & Art of Cure of Homeopathy - online
Chapters 22 - 31
Sankaran, R. The Substance of Homeopathy -
Part II - The Natural Classification of Diseases; Miasmsyphillinum
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[tg.partington]

i think that is pretty syphilitic. Not sure about history of death in family history:) Malaria doesn't really seem to fit. Apparantly H. referred to a 'marsh miasm' in 'chronic diseases' at least according to Banerjea.
Theresa

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[Chris_Gillen]

Hi Joy,
Good grief !! Do you mean all these symptoms appeared in one person after smallpox or malaria? Or a whole family?
All the conditions are treatable with anti-psoric medicines and none of them would exist without the influence of psora in the first place anyway. So, unless Merc or Thuj is indicated symptomatically, I'd keep it simple and go with the antipsorics. Most of the symptoms (except for smallpox and gangrene) appear in Hahnemann's list of secondary active symptoms of psora.
Chris.

[Joy Lucas]

Thanks Chris. I am just having some fun, it is a very old case, more than 500 years old

I would say Psoric with tubercular overtones. NOT entirely syphilitic as there was no evidence of mental faculty deterioration in the man or offspring (which you would probably expect). The tubercular influence would sit nicely in between the Psoric and Syphilitic. There was also treatment using lead! which probably poisoned and could have contributed to a number of sx prevailing.

I think there was evidence of diabetes with the wounds not healing and the massive and rapid weight could have been what we call Cushing's disease now, although thyroid could have been severely damaged. I reckon there could have been pituitary tumours or the like (with the migraines). One of the sons had wasting disease and his nails fell out - much more tubercular like than anything else?

I have a fascination with late medieval times and the family was tudor - King Henry VIII and some of his children )

Joy

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[Theresa Partington]

Hello Joy
An interesting exercise - not least because so many different answers were put forward!
It is true that the 'accepted truths' that Henry died of syphilis and his son of TB aren't universally accepted. Diabetes seems a cert. His descendants weren't mentally impaired but he did lose his marbles somewhat before the end as did others in the family - and who is to know exactly whose child was who?? Ann Boleyn had her head chopped off (pretty syphilitic fate!) for being unfaithful. We assume she wasn't but....perhaps she was.
Thanks
Theresa
I would say Psoric with tubercular overtones. NOT entirely syphilitic
as there was no evidence of mental faculty deterioration in the man
or offspring (which you would probably expect). The tubercular
influence would sit nicely in between the Psoric and Syphilitic.
There was also treatment using lead! which probably poisoned and
could have contributed to a number of sx prevailing.

I think there was evidence of diabetes with the wounds not healing
and the massive and rapid weight could have been what we call
Cushing's disease now, although thyroid could have been severely
damaged. I reckon there could have been pituitary tumours or the like
(with the migraines). One of the sons had wasting disease and his
nails fell out - much more tubercular like than anything else?

I have a fascination with late medieval times and the family was
tudor - King Henry VIII and some of his children )

Joy

[Ellen Madono]

Hi,

Gosh Therea you know those who belongs to that hodgepodge of symptoms.
How funny. You Brits. I wish I knew the crazies of my history so
well.

According to Grant Bentley's facial analysis, I am syphilitic and I
have found a number of my patients who also fit his syphilitic
definition. I would not place myself as very close to crazy nor am I
suffering with huge amounts of deteriorating tissue. The Hahnemannian
pathological miasmatic definitions leave me baffled because anyone
with that much inborn destruction stands a very poor chance of
reproduction. How are those "genes" passed on? Each miasm needs a
functional description. Not pure pathology.

Bentley says a high functioning, high energy persons like myself can
be syphilitic. The difference from the other miasms is the energy is
inward. The syphilitic miasm does not get energy from outside. So, I
had a syphilitic aurum the other day. She is extremely social and
constructive. Hard working of course. So much so that she can't
rest. You might have a hard time seeing the syphilitic aspect except
she is suffering from some kind of nerve problem. (vertigo,
headaches, restless feet and leg tension that are nerve related).

I am very interested in this interpretation of miasms. Anyone else
into Bentley's work?

Best,
Ellen