Med Proving - was - In defense of secrecy -was HIV AIDS treatments.. .etc

[Joy Lucas]

I actually read this somewhere (not here) when I was researching this but I've read so much stuff I can't remember where it was now but it was a reliable source otherwise I think I would have not mentioned it.

Yes you can have compounds - thulium has chloride and oxide.

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/

[Rochelle]

Dear Joy,
All it says is that it is suitable for both TB and Aids because "Stage 15 has wasting and burning away of the flesh" He also says it has been used with success in South Africa. "Many patients can stand up and leave hospital after 5 days of dosing." That's it!!
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

[Rochelle]

Dear Theresa,
Yes you do get compounds of the Lanthanides the same as any other mineral. I have prescribed Cerium Carb, Praeso Fl and Lanth Oxyd for example
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

[Joy Lucas]

probably not a lot of difference, in fact a lot in common - totally speculative, unreliable, and NOT what homeopathy needs

Joy
In essence, what would be the difference between Radionic remedies and PC remedies?
Has any one done a traditional proving of a Radionic remedy?
Best wishes
Soroush

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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joy Lucas
Sent: 01 September 2009 20:57
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus]Med Proving - was - In defense of "secrecy" -was HIV AIDS treatments.. .etc
Precisely, thanks Chris. If meditative provings are designated second rate (correctly so imo) from the outset then why bother. We have been given more that apt instruction from Hahnemann on how to conduct provings - let it suffice.
I actually think that 'completing' the periodic table could be a great service to homeopathy, so let's do it properly.
Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/

[Shannon Nelson]

Hm... Is an ardvaark the same as an orange, since neither of them is a spaceship?
I don't think we know enough about how Peter's remedies are made to give basis for *any* comparison with radionics--and for that matter, how exactly would you define "a radionics remedy"? I know one type of "radionics remedy maker" that uses little cards with target-like patterns; another type that uses numbers on a dial. Are these making the same thing, and if so, what is it? :-/

Also, I did not read anything that said meditative provings are "second-rate", only that they are *different* from traditional provings, and controversial. If someone said they are second-rate, who and where was that?

Shannon
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[tg.partington]

The main radionic machines used here in the UK to actually 'make' remedies work on the basis of each known/named remedy having a numerical value that has been dowsed. There are anomalies I believe, such as Silica having a different number from Silicea but that is the basis. Peter Chapell, as I understand it, has taken descriptive symptoms of a disease and converted them into a mathematical form which he then uses to build up his picture of the genus of the disease and thereafter make the remedy according to outcome of this 'sum'. If Scholten has made remedies from a radionics machine of the common type then someone must have dowsed a numerical value for those elements or compounds.
So both are giving something a numerical value that is not an intrinsic part of its make-up. One by dowsing and the other by....?
Therefore they do have something in common and would have a lot in common if it turned out that Peter's symptoms got their numerical value through dowsing. Once he got his mathematical description of the disease and worked it backwards to get the remedy, that would have to be made into a tincture or tablet by a radionics machine of some sort, too, wouldn't it? I know that they are not all materialised in that way but the principle is there.

Theresa
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Shannon & Bob Nelson wrote:

[Shannon Nelson]

Lost me in the first sentence (what does it *mean* for a remedy to have a "numerical value"? Number of *what*--flies? left turns? electron orbitals? :-O ), and then again in the third (how on Earth do you convert symptoms into a "mathematical form"?? Even in e.g. mathematical description of something intangible like gravity, the numbers refer to *something*, however abstract...). I'm not saying I dismiss the ideas, only that these are instances where the "explanation" explains NOTHING! To my poor mind, anyway. Argh, oh well...

Do you know whether there's a direct(ish) relationship between those "numerical values" and the bullseye patterns--I mean, could you take one, and necessarily then be able to deduce the other, or does each one begin from the substance itself? (Or something?)

Shannon

[Tanya Marquette]

my understanding is that it is the energy frequency of an object that
is being programmed which is what we use in our homeopathic remedies.
and since all natural objects or phenomenon have energy, there can be
a programmed reference for that object. if you put our little sugar pills
onto the machine, they can be embedded with the frequency of the
substance for the remedy
tanya

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Yes, but how????
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit www.drjoesnaturalmedicine.blogspot.com for articles and information.

[Chris_Gillen]

Meditation takes training, practice and discipline to understand and decipher intuitive feelings that are so highly subjective. What filters are put in place in these so-called "proving" sessions so that you actually know the participants are channelling symptoms produced by the drug substance?
Hahnemann's proving method requires training and practice too, but at least there are checks and balances in place to reduce extraneous subjective sensations that have nothing to do with the drug substance and thereby keep the information which will be published in our materia medicas relevant. Hahnemann's method ain't broke, so why try to fix it?
Chris.