HIV AIDS treatments - Was : can homeopathy deal with engineered

Theresa Partington · Post by **Theresa Partington** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:57 pm

Yes, this is one of my concerns. The idea of 'trialling' new medicines on needy, desperate people in developing countries goes against the grain - we are rightly appalled when conventional pharmaceuticals are used this way. In the time since PC remedies were invented there has been ample opportunity to 'trial' them in the developed 'western' countries and *then* take them to Africa if the results are seen to be good and the evidence base is there. Why has that not happened?
There are plenty of people in Africa able and prepared to employ homeopathic treatments/protocols that have stood the test of time and which, importantly, can be presented to the health authorities as an established therapy. This is surely the way forward for maximum impact and benefit for the people of these countries. Personally, I would rather lend my support to them.
Theresa
Joy wrote:
There are sick people everywhere so I don't understand why he has
chosen Africa as his outpost (although I could think of a few) - it
shouldn't make any difference just as helios being in Kent or London
doesn't matter.

Post by **Soroush Ebrahimi** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:01 pm

But is there not a VAST difference between an Allopathic trial and PCs.
There are almost always major consequences with allopathic drugs - but no danger with OC remedies.
At worst they will not work.
No harm done!
Soroush

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Subject: [Minutus] Re: HIV AIDS treatments - Was : can homeopathy deal with engineered
Yes, this is one of my concerns. The idea of 'trialling' new medicines on needy, desperate people in developing countries goes against the grain - we are rightly appalled when conventional pharmaceuticals are used this way. In the time since PC remedies were invented there has been ample opportunity to 'trial' them in the developed 'western' countries and *then* take them to Africa if the results are seen to be good and the evidence base is there. Why has that not happened?
There are plenty of people in Africa able and prepared to employ homeopathic treatments/protocols that have stood the test of time and which, importantly, can be presented to the health authorities as an established therapy. This is surely the way forward for maximum impact and benefit for the people of these countries. Personally, I would rather lend my support to them.
Theresa
Joy wrote:
There are sick people everywhere so I don't understand why he has
chosen Africa as his outpost (although I could think of a few) - it
shouldn't make any difference just as helios being in Kent or London
doesn't matter.

Tanya Marquette · Post by **Tanya Marquette** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:12 am

correct me if i am wrong, but i was given the impression that peter chose
an african population as one that did not have big history of allopathic drugs
that would complicate the cases. further, i was given to believe that much
of his success, over that of western industrialized populations that had long
hx of drug taking, was due to the vital force uncompromised by drug taking.
tanya
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tg.partington · Post by **tg.partington** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:19 pm

Hi Liz -my comments within asterisks.
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Liz Brynin" wrote:
* so you are saying homeopathic treatment of AIDS doesn't work? I have no direct experience of this and you may be right - I am not sure everyone would agree, though*

* probably the same argument used by the pharmaceutical companies - and there is some validity in that, I suppose. The idea that the African population might be somehow 'healthier' due to lack of allopathic meds and that that would outweigh poor nutrition, parasites and long history of other diseases is more debatable, especially as many allopathics that would be prescription only here are available OTC in developing countries. Exactly who takes how much of what I wouldn't know. It's a big continent!*
*I am not criticising him for having an enquiring mind - I just think it would have been better if he had tested the remedies (not just AIDS, after all) in full view of his peers before going for the high profile stuff in Africa*

And as for presenting homeopathy - any kind of homeopathy! - to the authorities as an established therapy, well, dream on!

* I am not sure about that. I was under the impression that homeopaths had a measure of government support in Tanzania and Botswana at least and I know that in Ghana the Ghana Project are in talks with govt departments. Quite positive stuff, really.*

They won't listen to any alternative, however long it has been used, however we present it. Good old polychrests or new-fangled PC remedies - it's all mumbo-jumbo to them.

*a bit sweeping, imo, and maybe even a bit patronising*

* Yes, this is always a dilemma with homeopathy. As practitioners we owe it to our patients to know what we are prescribing but people and pharmacies who devote much time to new remedies and research don't necessarily get the remuneration that might allow them to do more. The only solution I have come up with is that we buy remedies from pharmacies and maybe we should encourage our patients to buy direct from pharmacies, too, rather than using med pots. That is another issue,though. I don't think prescribing blind is the answer!
Theresa

Shannon Nelson · Post by **Shannon Nelson** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:32 am

And he has said that some of the remedies, specifically including PC1 for AIDS, have been showing greater effectiveness in the African population, presumably (his speculation) because of what you say, less compromise by drugs. (I have heard favorable reports from here also, tho; I have no details.)
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Rochelle · Post by **Rochelle** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:37 am

I was under the impression that they only work in the 3rd world countries according to the seminars I have been to when he has spoken at length about this.
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

Shannon Nelson · Post by **Shannon Nelson** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:51 am

I'm not at all well informed about the situation, but in years past I did know two homeopaths who had each treated a small number of patients *in part* with PC1, and spoke positively about it. I don't think either of them was saying that PC1 had carried the entire case, tho; only that it was useful as part of the treatment. But I don't know how t hose cases worked out in the end.
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tg.partington · Post by **tg.partington** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:50 am

Hi Liz
As regards how homeopathy in Africa is getting on with AIDS, it is hard to tell.The Maun project in Botswana is treating AIDs patients almost exclusively as far as I can make out and Jeremy Sherr is doing a lot in Tanzania - they are just the people with web sites. They do emphasis the need for nutrition and it is hard to separate out the homeopathy in the results (as with Didi,s project, I believe) and, as you say, broadcasting cures for AIDS is likely to backfire even if they thought they were doing it! If they are in there, in one place, for the duration (which is what is needed), they presumably have to be careful.
As for access to drugs, you have to remember that many of these projects are based in the slums of the cities with outreach clinics to the rural areas. On my (brief) trip to Ghana, what you said about drugs and pharmacies was probably true in the rural clinic but not in the urban ones. Antimalarias and antibiotics cost very little and are available OTC with pharmacies in every street. The chemist's is more available than the doctor. We are talking about a variety of scenarios in a huge continent!
I wouldn't know about pharmaceutical pressure on government v. homeopathy. I haven't heard of it as a factor and try to stick to facts as known. Ghana has a department of traditional medicine and that seems to be surviving. The Mbeki thing I haven't heard of.
By prescribing blind I mean prescribing something that is being sold in a blank box without the kind of 'trials' that I would expect of a homeopathic remedy, or supplement or medicine, for that matter. Different 'trials' for different things, of course.
Theresa
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Liz Brynin" wrote:

Tanya Marquette · Post by **Tanya Marquette** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:07 pm

a couple of years ago i was reading posts from a healer in s.africa.
there was, and probably still is, a great argument ongoing between the
woman head of the health dept and the rest of the government. mbeki
has clearly aligned with the corporations of the world to promote allopathic
drugs and gmo agriculture--this despite the opposition and evidence to
the contrary.
tanya

Tanya Marquette · Post by **Tanya Marquette** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:49 am

i did not mean to be simplistic--most social/political battles never are in
the details of the fight. but the concepts are simple. 2 sides here: one
holisitic and traditional, the other corporate and drug pushing. big pharma
is better organized, has more money and becomes embedded in the
political arena. thus, they have a hard front to combat.
what does get complicated, to my thinking, is reaching the understanding
of how the marriage of an unfettered free market economy (the current jargon)
with genocidal and racist goals supports some of the worst anti-humanist
behavior. this is what most people have the greatest difficulty in comprehending
and taking in. and without knowing the true but hidden face of the 'enemy' it
becomes impossible to wage an adequate struggle against it.
tanya