Hello All,
Now, the Swine influenza is lashing India, which is not at all prepared this onslaught.
So far six deaths have been reported all from the upwardly mobile socities. A panic is on.
Though I am collecting symptoms, a clear symptom picture is yet to emerge. The initial symptoms seem to be sore throat with cough and sneezing. The 4 year old boy child who died y'day in Chennai had his lungs and kidneys paralysed when admitted.
Has anyone from Pune or Mumbai compiled a symptom list or found a genus ?
Venkat
Have anyone found a genus of the Indian variety of Swine Flu ?
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Tanya Marquette
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Re: Have anyone found a genus of the Indian variety of Swine Flu ?
My understanding is that during the 1918 flu it was the people receiving
antibiotics and aspirin and vaccinations that were taken down. Since
you report the upper/monied class of people being hit, are these deaths
also associated with allopathic drugs? If so, then won't you have to
factor in the poisoning from these drugs?
tanya
antibiotics and aspirin and vaccinations that were taken down. Since
you report the upper/monied class of people being hit, are these deaths
also associated with allopathic drugs? If so, then won't you have to
factor in the poisoning from these drugs?
tanya
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Re: Have anyone found a genus of the Indian variety of Swine Flu ?
It is very rare to find a person who has not taken allopathic drug in India. Self medication is rampant and you can pretty much get any prescription-only drug without any prescription in India. So you do not have to factor in any of that- it is a given that practically ALL patients with fever and flu symptoms would have taken allopathic drugs - at least paracetamol - before seeking homeopathic help
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Re: Have anyone found a genus of the Indian variety of Swine Flu ?
I thought it was only aspirin in 1918 flu by allopaths....was there really vax and ab/s also?
Liz
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Re: Have anyone found a genus of the Indian variety of Swine Flu ?
Sheri posted this elsewhere some time ago - I hope she doesn't mind me posting it here. Joy
THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC WAS A VACCINE-CAUSED DISEASE
E. McBean (Vaccination The Silent Killer p28)
Very few people realize that the worst epidemic ever to hit America, the
Spanish Influenza of 1918 was the after effect of the massive nation-wide
vaccine campaign. The doctors told the people that the disease was caused
by germs. Viruses were not known at that time or they would have been
blamed. Germs. bacteria and viruses, along with bacilli and a few other
invisible organisms are the scapegoats which the doctors like to blame for
the things they do not understand. If the doctor makes a wrong diagnosis
and treatment, and kills the patient, he can always blame it on the germs,
and say the patient didnt get an early diagnosis and come to him in time.
If we check back in history to that 1918 flu period, we will see that it
suddenly struck just after the end of World War I when our soldiers were
returning home from overseas. That was the first war in which all the known
vaccines were forced on all the servicemen. This mish-mash of poison drugs
and putrid protein of which the vaccines were composed, caused such
widespread disease and death among the soldiers that it was the common talk
of the day, that more of our men were being killed by medical shots than by
enemy shots from guns. Thousands were invalided home or to military
hospitals, as hopeless wrecks, before they ever saw a day of battle. The
death and disease rate among the vaccinated soldiers was four times higher
than among the unvaccinated civilians. But this did not stop the vaccine
promoters. Vaccine has always been big business, and so it was continued
doggedly.
It was a shorter war than the vaccine-makers had planned on, only about a
year for us, so the vaccine promoters had a lot of unused, spoiling
vaccines left over which they wanted to sell at a good profit. So they did
what they usually do, they called a meeting behind closed doors, and
plotted the whole sordid program, a nationwide (worldwide) vaccination
drive using all their vaccines, and telling the people that the soldiers
were coming home with many dread diseases contracted in foreign countries
and that it was the patriotic duty of every man, woman and child to get
"protected" by rushing down to the vaccination centers and having all the
shots.
Most people believe their doctors and government officials, and do what
they say. The result was, that almost the entire population submitted to
the shots without question, and it was only a matter of hours until people
began dropping dead in agony, while many others collapsed with a disease of
such virulence that no one had ever seen anything like it before. They had
all the characteristics of the diseases they had been vaccinated against,
the high fever, chills, pain, cramps, diarrhea, etc. of typhoid, and the
pneumonia like lung and throat congestion of diphtheria and the vomiting,
headache, weakness and misery of hepatitis from the jungle fever shots, and
the outbreak of sores on the skin from the smallpox shots, along with
paralysis from all the shots, etc.
The doctors were baffled, and claimed they didnt know what caused the
strange and deadly disease, and they certainly had no cure. They should
have known the underlying cause was the vaccinations, because the same
thing happened to the soldiers after they had their shots at camp. The
typhoid fever shots caused a worse form of the disease which they called
para-typhoid. Then they tried to suppress the symptoms of that one with a
stronger vaccine which caused a still more serious disease which killed and
disabled a great many men. The combination of all the poison vaccines
fermenting together in the body, caused such violent reactions that they
could not cope with the situation. Disaster ran rampant in the camps. Some
of the military hospitals were filled with nothing but paralyzed soldiers,
and they were called war casualties, even before they left American soil. I
talked to some of the survivors of that vaccine onslaught when they
returned home after the war, and they told of the horrors, not of the war
itself, and battles, but of the sickness at camp.
The doctors didnt want this massive vaccine disease to reflect on them, so
they, agreed among themselves to call it Spanish Influenza. Spain was a far
away place and some of the soldiers had been there, so the idea of calling
it Spanish Influenza seemed to be a good way to lay the blame on someone
else. The Spanish resented having us name the world scourge on them. They
knew the flu didnt originate in their country.
20,000,000 died of that flu epidemic, worldwide, and it seemed to be almost
universal or as far away as the vaccinations reached. Greece and a few
other countries which did not accept the vaccines were the only ones which
were not hit by the flu. Doesnt that prove something?
At home (in the U.S.) the situation was the same; the only ones who escaped
the influenza were those who had refused the vaccinations. My family and 1
were among the few who persisted in refusing the high pressure sales
propaganda ,and none of us had the flu not even a sniffle, in spite of
the fact that it was all around us, and in the bitter cold of winter.
Everyone seemed to have it. The whole town was down sick and dying. The
hospitals were closed because the doctors and nurses were down with the
flu. Everything was closed, schools, businesses, post office everything.
No one was on the streets. It was like a ghost town. There were no doctors
to care for the sick, so my parents went from house to house doing what
they could to help the stricken in any way they could. They spent all day
and part of the night for weeks, in the sick rooms, and came home only to
eat and sleep. If germs or viruses, bacteria, or any other little organisms
were the cause of that disease, they had plenty of opportunity to latch
onto my parents and "lay them low" with the disease which had prostrated
the world. But germs were not the cause of that or any other disease, so
they didnt "catch" it. I have talked to a few other people since that
time, who said they escaped the 1918 flu, so I asked if they had the shots,
and in every case, they said they had never believed in shots and had never
had any of them. Common sense tells us that all those toxic vaccines all
mixed up together in people, could not help but cause extreme
body-poisoning and poisoning of some kind or another is usually the
cause of disease.
Whenever a person coughs or sneezes, most people cringe, thinking that the
germs are being spread around in the au and will attack people. There is no
need to fear those germs any more, because that is not the way colds are
developed. Germs cant live apart from the cells (host) and cant do harm
anyway, even if they wanted to. They have no teeth to bite anyone, no
poison pouches like snakes, mosquitoes or bees, and do not multiply, except
in decomposed substances, so they are helpless to harm. As stated before,
their purpose is useful, not destructive.
The 1918 flu was the most devastating disease we ever had, and it brought
forth all the medical bag of tricks to quell it, but those added drugs, all
of which are poisons, only intensified the over-poisoned condition of the
people, so the treatments actually killed more than the vaccines did.
THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC WAS A VACCINE-CAUSED DISEASE
E. McBean (Vaccination The Silent Killer p28)
Very few people realize that the worst epidemic ever to hit America, the
Spanish Influenza of 1918 was the after effect of the massive nation-wide
vaccine campaign. The doctors told the people that the disease was caused
by germs. Viruses were not known at that time or they would have been
blamed. Germs. bacteria and viruses, along with bacilli and a few other
invisible organisms are the scapegoats which the doctors like to blame for
the things they do not understand. If the doctor makes a wrong diagnosis
and treatment, and kills the patient, he can always blame it on the germs,
and say the patient didnt get an early diagnosis and come to him in time.
If we check back in history to that 1918 flu period, we will see that it
suddenly struck just after the end of World War I when our soldiers were
returning home from overseas. That was the first war in which all the known
vaccines were forced on all the servicemen. This mish-mash of poison drugs
and putrid protein of which the vaccines were composed, caused such
widespread disease and death among the soldiers that it was the common talk
of the day, that more of our men were being killed by medical shots than by
enemy shots from guns. Thousands were invalided home or to military
hospitals, as hopeless wrecks, before they ever saw a day of battle. The
death and disease rate among the vaccinated soldiers was four times higher
than among the unvaccinated civilians. But this did not stop the vaccine
promoters. Vaccine has always been big business, and so it was continued
doggedly.
It was a shorter war than the vaccine-makers had planned on, only about a
year for us, so the vaccine promoters had a lot of unused, spoiling
vaccines left over which they wanted to sell at a good profit. So they did
what they usually do, they called a meeting behind closed doors, and
plotted the whole sordid program, a nationwide (worldwide) vaccination
drive using all their vaccines, and telling the people that the soldiers
were coming home with many dread diseases contracted in foreign countries
and that it was the patriotic duty of every man, woman and child to get
"protected" by rushing down to the vaccination centers and having all the
shots.
Most people believe their doctors and government officials, and do what
they say. The result was, that almost the entire population submitted to
the shots without question, and it was only a matter of hours until people
began dropping dead in agony, while many others collapsed with a disease of
such virulence that no one had ever seen anything like it before. They had
all the characteristics of the diseases they had been vaccinated against,
the high fever, chills, pain, cramps, diarrhea, etc. of typhoid, and the
pneumonia like lung and throat congestion of diphtheria and the vomiting,
headache, weakness and misery of hepatitis from the jungle fever shots, and
the outbreak of sores on the skin from the smallpox shots, along with
paralysis from all the shots, etc.
The doctors were baffled, and claimed they didnt know what caused the
strange and deadly disease, and they certainly had no cure. They should
have known the underlying cause was the vaccinations, because the same
thing happened to the soldiers after they had their shots at camp. The
typhoid fever shots caused a worse form of the disease which they called
para-typhoid. Then they tried to suppress the symptoms of that one with a
stronger vaccine which caused a still more serious disease which killed and
disabled a great many men. The combination of all the poison vaccines
fermenting together in the body, caused such violent reactions that they
could not cope with the situation. Disaster ran rampant in the camps. Some
of the military hospitals were filled with nothing but paralyzed soldiers,
and they were called war casualties, even before they left American soil. I
talked to some of the survivors of that vaccine onslaught when they
returned home after the war, and they told of the horrors, not of the war
itself, and battles, but of the sickness at camp.
The doctors didnt want this massive vaccine disease to reflect on them, so
they, agreed among themselves to call it Spanish Influenza. Spain was a far
away place and some of the soldiers had been there, so the idea of calling
it Spanish Influenza seemed to be a good way to lay the blame on someone
else. The Spanish resented having us name the world scourge on them. They
knew the flu didnt originate in their country.
20,000,000 died of that flu epidemic, worldwide, and it seemed to be almost
universal or as far away as the vaccinations reached. Greece and a few
other countries which did not accept the vaccines were the only ones which
were not hit by the flu. Doesnt that prove something?
At home (in the U.S.) the situation was the same; the only ones who escaped
the influenza were those who had refused the vaccinations. My family and 1
were among the few who persisted in refusing the high pressure sales
propaganda ,and none of us had the flu not even a sniffle, in spite of
the fact that it was all around us, and in the bitter cold of winter.
Everyone seemed to have it. The whole town was down sick and dying. The
hospitals were closed because the doctors and nurses were down with the
flu. Everything was closed, schools, businesses, post office everything.
No one was on the streets. It was like a ghost town. There were no doctors
to care for the sick, so my parents went from house to house doing what
they could to help the stricken in any way they could. They spent all day
and part of the night for weeks, in the sick rooms, and came home only to
eat and sleep. If germs or viruses, bacteria, or any other little organisms
were the cause of that disease, they had plenty of opportunity to latch
onto my parents and "lay them low" with the disease which had prostrated
the world. But germs were not the cause of that or any other disease, so
they didnt "catch" it. I have talked to a few other people since that
time, who said they escaped the 1918 flu, so I asked if they had the shots,
and in every case, they said they had never believed in shots and had never
had any of them. Common sense tells us that all those toxic vaccines all
mixed up together in people, could not help but cause extreme
body-poisoning and poisoning of some kind or another is usually the
cause of disease.
Whenever a person coughs or sneezes, most people cringe, thinking that the
germs are being spread around in the au and will attack people. There is no
need to fear those germs any more, because that is not the way colds are
developed. Germs cant live apart from the cells (host) and cant do harm
anyway, even if they wanted to. They have no teeth to bite anyone, no
poison pouches like snakes, mosquitoes or bees, and do not multiply, except
in decomposed substances, so they are helpless to harm. As stated before,
their purpose is useful, not destructive.
The 1918 flu was the most devastating disease we ever had, and it brought
forth all the medical bag of tricks to quell it, but those added drugs, all
of which are poisons, only intensified the over-poisoned condition of the
people, so the treatments actually killed more than the vaccines did.
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Re: Have anyone found a genus of the Indian variety of Swine Flu ?
maybe i was wrong, but that is what i remembered reading. you are the 2nd person
who has commented on this.
tanya
who has commented on this.
tanya
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Elizabeth Brandegee
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Re: Have anyone found a genus of the Indian variety of Swine Flu ?
Thanks Joy/Sheri, I recall the soldiers, vaccinations + further toxins causing it and believe there's a lot of truth in that. Got tripped up in context of using vaccinations and antibiotics for treatment of "it"....only heard they used aspirin.
Liz
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Re: Have anyone found a genus of the Indian variety of Swine Flu ?
But this part:
"Germs cant live apart from the cells (host) and cant do harm
anyway, even if they wanted to. They have no teeth to bite anyone, no
poison pouches like snakes, mosquitoes or bees, and do not multiply, except
in decomposed substances, so they are helpless to harm. As stated before,
their purpose is useful, not destructive."
Hm, what to say...
Well, Sheri, how big does something have to be to "cause harm", hm?
Are parasites beneficial too?
How about rats and wolves?
Is it only the small things that (according to the theory you are sharing) can never be harmful, or are mid-sized parasites and small to large predators also never harmful? There's a whole lot of missing logic in this argument...
So when antibiotics "cure" a life-threatening infection (and yes I realize that "cure" is being used rather loosely here), what has happened? Why did reducing the numbers of these "beneficial" microorganisms have the effect of returning the person to a functional state? How do you explain that?
Just curious,
Shannon
"Germs cant live apart from the cells (host) and cant do harm
anyway, even if they wanted to. They have no teeth to bite anyone, no
poison pouches like snakes, mosquitoes or bees, and do not multiply, except
in decomposed substances, so they are helpless to harm. As stated before,
their purpose is useful, not destructive."
Hm, what to say...
Well, Sheri, how big does something have to be to "cause harm", hm?
Are parasites beneficial too?
How about rats and wolves?
Is it only the small things that (according to the theory you are sharing) can never be harmful, or are mid-sized parasites and small to large predators also never harmful? There's a whole lot of missing logic in this argument...
So when antibiotics "cure" a life-threatening infection (and yes I realize that "cure" is being used rather loosely here), what has happened? Why did reducing the numbers of these "beneficial" microorganisms have the effect of returning the person to a functional state? How do you explain that?
Just curious,
Shannon
Re: Have anyone found a genus of the Indian variety of Swine Flu ?
Antibiotics happened a lot later than this - it was Fleming and
Penicillan - developed in the late 30's and being the miraculous wonder
drug for the second world war.
Gail
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2nd person
of Swine Flu ?
really vax and ab/s also?
receiving
deaths
of Swine Flu ?
prepared this onslaught.
socities. A panic is on.
emerge. The initial symptoms seem to be sore throat with cough and
sneezing. The 4 year old boy child who died y'day in Chennai had his
lungs and kidneys paralysed when admitted.
genus ?
Penicillan - developed in the late 30's and being the miraculous wonder
drug for the second world war.
Gail
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2nd person
of Swine Flu ?
really vax and ab/s also?
receiving
deaths
of Swine Flu ?
prepared this onslaught.
socities. A panic is on.
emerge. The initial symptoms seem to be sore throat with cough and
sneezing. The 4 year old boy child who died y'day in Chennai had his
lungs and kidneys paralysed when admitted.
genus ?
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Theresa Partington
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Re: Have anyone found a genus of the Indian variety of Swine Flu ?
Sounds as if general post war vaccinosis was being blamed for what became known as Spanish flu - not a flu vaccine.Maybe someone got their wires crossed. That aspirin increased fatalities is from another source.
Theresa
I thought it was only aspirin in 1918 flu by allopaths....was there really vax and ab/s also?
Liz
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Theresa
I thought it was only aspirin in 1918 flu by allopaths....was there really vax and ab/s also?
Liz
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