Phos-Apis?

Vera Resnick · Post by **Vera Resnick** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:08 pm

Thought I'd post this one - I found it interesting.

Px has been having problems with coughing - dry choking cough, coming on without warning and ceasing suddenly. Energy levels down. I tried previous "constitutional", which didn't help. She then found blood in her urine, slight burning sensation, no other clear symptoms except stronger dip in vitality. I gave Pulsatilla at that time based on previous use and some m/e symptoms, which helped a little but not much and didn't hold, vitality up a little but not strikingly so. She then reported another appearance of blood in the urine. Urine tests showed the presence of an infection. I've been treating her for years and her remedies have always been around Nat-M, Ars, Nit-Ac, Sepia type. Puls has helped her more recently. What's interesting to me is that this px has been going through great changes in m/e over the last few years but especially over the last 6 months, due to a change in spiritual orientation.

She reported that at the onset she had a strong desire for salty food, and also that she was extremely thirsty. I re-took and gave Phos - a remedy that has never been part of her picture in the time I've been treating her. Within several hours vitality was greatly improved, thirst was down. Over the next few days improvement has continued. Today she reported that a couple of days ago she noticed an itching patch on her leg - she assumed it was a mosquito bite and because she was scratching so much, put some lavender oil on it to prevent infection. The next day the area was hot, red and extremely itchy. All the other symptoms greatly improved or disappeared. This patch sounded like Apis, which could have been relevant for the UTI but the symptom picture was absent. I then saw Apis and Phos are inimical. I told her not to put anything on the itching area and wait 24 hours - it seems to me that the Phos has externalized inner symptoms, and that this should pass as part of the healing process.

How do others see what is going on? And if the patch doesn't start clearing within 24 hours - do you think it would be relevant to treat or wait further? Does anyone have anything to add about connection or inimical relationship between Phos and Apis? it's not something I've come across before.

Vera

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muthu kumar · Post by **muthu kumar** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:39 pm

I think what you did is right, leave the patch alone- blood in urine is much more important symptom and your Phos is handling that- the itch should pass by itself if the patient is good as a whole.

I have not given Apis after Phos -so cannot comment on it- but may be at this point it is not indicated... When the previous medicine is still acting and if the amelioration is still seen, do not change the medicine if the new symptoms that have come up are not very important...But in the past I have followed a prescription with other inimical medicines when they were indicated - I have not had problems with that...but do not give a follow-up remedy if not clearly indicated...

Once I gave Staph for a case of schizophrenia with excellent results... the patient came back after a few weeks just to say he is fine when I was not there- my partner gave him Causticum as a complement and this brought back the symptoms, which once again abated with Staph-

Just ask her if she had applied something like this Lavender oil for past mosquito bites or some such thing- there might be a history of external applications...

I have seen cases like this - where people have applied some oil ( turmeric in sesame oil is a common finding in India) for insect bites - and even that suppresses in some people and the condition reappears...

Vera Resnick · Post by **Vera Resnick** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:02 pm

she has used lavender oil for bites - something from my history as before treating her as a homeopath, in a previous (and thoroughly shameful, I admit) life I was an aromatherapist (and other things too foul to mention...!). Lavender essential oil is very useful for external treatment of cuts, burns, bites etc. and I used to prescribe it often. The idea that the patch, use of oil and worsening of redness and itch may be playing out a reversal of lavender oil suppression is interesting.

I feel that we often track clues to reach understanding of what is actually happening - but will we ever know?!

thanks for input,
Vera

muthu kumar · Post by **muthu kumar** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:30 am

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Vera Resnick wrote:
Good to know that this has been done - so if this itch is similar to an old bite, better keep hands off
Even though you mention this in a lighter vein, none of what you have done or been previously is foul or waste but has contributed to what you are today...so cherish those times that have formed who you are now

Lavender essential oil is very useful for external treatment

It is interesting and this is one more demonstration how spot on Hahnemann had been in so many of his writings / suggestions
Nope - there is no end to learning,

Brings to mind a case ( probably already described in this forum) a case of chicken pox /zoster in a boy- he first had complained of pain in rt.shoulder and upper arm (with fever ? cannot remember)and the parents applied some pain cream and in a day or so he developed eruptions- the eruptions were smaller in other areas whereas big bullae wherever the cream had been applied. He was holding his arm up with pain - Rhus tox given by another doctor failed, based on modalities I gave Mezereum ( pain , < hanging hands or some thing from Kent). The next day most of the eruptions disappeared, there was a diarrhea. Visited the patient ( they were staying in a motel enroute to a temple and by the time boy had gotten sick) and he was playing cricket inside the motel ( despite the diarrhea). So no pain in the limb. The other doctor wanted to give Croton tig for the diarrhea but I suggested staying off ( since the boy was in such great shape in general) The boy made a complete recovery the next day. Was a great inspiring case since when the original doctor went to see the case after Rhus tox failed, 3 other homeopaths ( including me ) went with him to see the patient. Demonstrated to all of us who attended the case that how quickly and cleanly homeopathy would act curatively and how healing discharges happen and patient improves in general and how to keep our hands off to let nature hold sway when she is acting curatively.

Joy Lucas · Post by **Joy Lucas** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:47 am

I actually cannot find any reference to Phos and Apis being inimical - can you say what the source is.

Joy

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Vera Resnick · Post by **Vera Resnick** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:22 pm

I hadn't heard of it before either. I found it in Blasig and Vint's book on remedy relationships. They take it from Clarke's Clinical Repertory.

Vera

Joy Lucas · Post by **Joy Lucas** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:54 pm

Thanks Vera, doesn't seem well recorded then. I don't have that book anymore gave it away. With such a lack of references (might be just one case) I wouldn't worry about but I second H2002 posts anyway and stay with what is working.

Joy

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Kathy · Post by **Kathy** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:26 pm

Vera you find aromatherapy shameful? Why is that. Essential oils are very useful for many things. Kathy
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she has used lavender oil for bites - something from my history as before treating her as a homeopath, in a previous (and thoroughly shameful, I admit) life I was an aromatherapist (and other things too foul to mention...!). Lavender essential oil is very useful for external treatment of cuts, burns, bites etc. and I used to prescribe it often. The idea that the patch, use of oil and worsening of redness and itch may be playing out a reversal of lavender oil suppression is interesting.

I feel that we often track clues to reach understanding of what is actually happening - but will we ever know?!

thanks for input,
Vera
I think what you did is right, leave the patch alone- blood in urine is much more important symptom and your Phos is handling that- the itch should pass by itself if the patient is good as a whole.

I have not given Apis after Phos -so cannot comment on it- but may be at this point it is not indicated... When the previous medicine is still acting and if the amelioration is still seen, do not change the medicine if the new symptoms that have come up are not very important...But in the past I have followed a prescription with other inimical medicines when they were indicated - I have not had problems with that...but do not give a follow-up remedy if not clearly indicated...

Once I gave Staph for a case of schizophrenia with excellent results... the patient came back after a few weeks just to say he is fine when I was not there- my partner gave him Causticum as a complement and this brought back the symptoms, which once again abated with Staph-

Just ask her if she had applied something like this Lavender oil for past mosquito bites or some such thing- there might be a history of external applications...

I have seen cases like this - where people have applied some oil ( turmeric in sesame oil is a common finding in India) for insect bites - and even that suppresses in some people and the condition reappears...

Vera Resnick · Post by **Vera Resnick** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:46 pm

just teasing! British humour - never easy to deal with.

Vera

Kathy · Post by **Kathy** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:46 am

Thanks Vera, yes I am American and thought I missed something. Have a good week. Kathy
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vera Resnick
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just teasing! British humour - never easy to deal with.

Vera
Vera you find aromatherapy shameful? Why is that. Essential oils are very useful for many things. Kathy
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Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:02 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Phos-Apis?
she has used lavender oil for bites - something from my history as before treating her as a homeopath, in a previous (and thoroughly shameful, I admit) life I was an aromatherapist (and other things too foul to mention...!). Lavender essential oil is very useful for external treatment of cuts, burns, bites etc. and I used to prescribe it often. The idea that the patch, use of oil and worsening of redness and itch may be playing out a reversal of lavender oil suppression is interesting.

I feel that we often track clues to reach understanding of what is actually happening - but will we ever know?!

thanks for input,
Vera
I think what you did is right, leave the patch alone- blood in urine is much more important symptom and your Phos is handling that- the itch should pass by itself if the patient is good as a whole.

I have not given Apis after Phos -so cannot comment on it- but may be at this point it is not indicated... When the previous medicine is still acting and if the amelioration is still seen, do not change the medicine if the new symptoms that have come up are not very important...But in the past I have followed a prescription with other inimical medicines when they were indicated - I have not had problems with that...but do not give a follow-up remedy if not clearly indicated...

Once I gave Staph for a case of schizophrenia with excellent results... the patient came back after a few weeks just to say he is fine when I was not there- my partner gave him Causticum as a complement and this brought back the symptoms, which once again abated with Staph-

Just ask her if she had applied something like this Lavender oil for past mosquito bites or some such thing- there might be a history of external applications...

I have seen cases like this - where people have applied some oil ( turmeric in sesame oil is a common finding in India) for insect bites - and even that suppresses in some people and the condition reappears...
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Vera Resnick RCHom
Classical Homeopath
e-mail: vera.homeopath@gmail.com