materia medica question

[Vera Resnick]

Px is generally very tired, has been diagnosed in the past with chronic fatigue. Today he said:
"If I don't leave the house and don't talk to people, no one will be mean to me and I won't be miserable".

Does this make anyone think of a specific remedy? It feels like it should ring a bell.

Vera

--
------------------------------------
Vera Resnick RCHom
Classical Homeopath
Alternative Medicine
054-4640736
e-mail: vera.homeopath@gmail.com
www.freewebs.com/verahomeopath

[Joy Lucas]

Yes, it does. The rx it says to me is Iridium - great fear of being judged; complete exhaustion (usually following an acute phase) - anaemia follows hence the weakness and tiredness but Lycopodium could also ring some bells.

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/

[sukhjeet kaur]

juzz check about patient's physical generals like...thermal, thirst, nn likes n aversions.....if these corresponds, striking remedy is pulsatilla....n give it in 1M potency n c d wonder.
regards
Sukhjeet Kaur

--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Vera Resnick wrote:
________________________________

[Shannon Nelson]

Joy, thanks for the bits about Iridium! (Another I need to read on...)
I was thinking of rubrics re "delusion, persecuted" or similar. Is
there a particular reason you saw "be mean to me" as referring to
judgment rather than something like persecution?

Shannon

[Ellen Madono]

I found Iridium in Vermeulen Synoptic MM. Does anyone have other
literature? I have a patient on lycopodium but she also looks a lot
like iridium. Organized like a metal and not very plant like.
Iridium has this swelling of the ovaries which is what is bothering
this patient. Lots of lyc problems with intimate relationships yet
desires company. Radar does not include iridium among remedies under
swollen ovaries. Clings to homeopath. Can't stand to sleep with
anyone else because she feels they will criticize her for example
turning in bed. Can't go out for fear of criticism. Vermeulen does
not mention the fear of criticism. She had all the body aching and
coryza of iridium but it went away with Kali-c. I guess I would still
count those as symptoms in favor of iridium.??? For a Japanese, she
is extremely tall and shot up very early in childhood. Detached.
Iridium is left sided, but this patient is right sided.

Currently I am getting reduction in the ovary pain with Lyc. so I
suppose I need to let Lyc fully playout its healing potentials before
I move on to another remedy. I was taught not to switch remedies too
quickly.

[Joy Lucas]

For Ellen as well

There are 2 types of persecution - when one is actually being persecuted by another or others and then you get individual reactions, huge variety, and then there is the perceived persecution that is already part of the diseased state, already inappropriate to health. So, I see it that if the client talks about feeling 'got at', 'picked on', 'bullied', 'people being mean to me' is the same as being judged which has to take place before the persecution. There is always judgement in persecution. Often people don't use that word (it is a strong word but everything is in degrees), making our job a bit harder, but careful questioning usually reveals a theme of what we would call being persecuted - put on trial, judged, then persecuted is the usual journey.

Iridium is part of the silver series (second best to gold and another point of being judged, i.e. judged to be second best) and is in stage 9, from Scholten:-
Stage 9
The body of work has be done, but the last details have to be filled in. Practically the goal is reached. Virtually the work is finished. Minor adaptations can be made after the dress rehearsal. The book can be completed after the corrections of the proofreaders. The contract just has to be approved and signed. But the fear of a blunder, a failure at the examination can make one the call the whole thing off.
You can see the point of withdrawal and it is a situation of avoiding the problem, so staying at home, staying away from the possible cause is meaningful, not least because it doesn't actually cure the problem and is suggesting of a much deeper diseased state developing - this is because the persecution is perceived and possibly not actual. Below Iridium is Meitnerium (not proved) but it is an element that doesn't exist and this too would be part of the withdrawal - if one doesn't exist no-one can be mean to them, you cannot then be judged. We can see this beginning in Iridium with the sensations of numbness and a feeling that the mind is void and there is quite significant physical weakness and some paralysis.
I think the 'staying at home' is possibly as relevant as the feeling of people being mean to them.
I believe it has only had a minor proving but could be wrong on that, so the left sided sx might be expanded on.
Another bell would be Carcinosin.
Joy
http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/

[Shannon Nelson]

Hm, honestly I don't follow you there... I think of "judgment" as
having to do with comparing (this person with that person, me with you,
etc.) and deciding who's better, worse; whereas "being mean" or "being
picked on" or bullying etc., ... Well, I guess it would not be taking
place if the bully (or etc.) didn't believe him/herself to be dealing
with an "inferior"--or at least someone within whom s/he will be able
to get away with it, but I don't think it's generally a conscious
process on the part of the bully (or etc.); more of a "being mean is
its own reward."

Some one could feel "judged" even if everyone is scrupulously polite to
one's face; but to feel *persecuted* would need (as I've understood, I
mean) for there to be actually harmful, or at least offensive, words or
deeds.

I can see, tho, where it could be hard to tease out what exactly is
taking place in the patient's mind--so seems useful to keep the two as
perhaps cross-references, and consider both rubrics? I notice Irid is
under rubric re "judged", but not in the rubric re "persecuted", so if
that's a pattern of Iridium then I do indeed need to refine my
understandings of the terms! Thanks for the heads-up,

Shannon

[Joy Lucas]

If someone feels persecuted it is totally irrelevant if any actual 'harmful' situations were being acted out - the whole point of the diseased state is that the person feels it regardless of it actually happening this is why I described the two different situations.

The reps are not tablets of stone but we have to be careful how we indulge in interpretation.

Joy

[Ellen Madono]

Hi,

Aren't we talking about a continuum? Sensitive to criticism at one
end and persecution at the other. Takes everything in a bad way
somewhere in between. If a person can't leave her house because her
neighbors who are strangers will see her, or she can ride a bike but
can't walk at eye level with others, she's pretty far toward the
persecution end. Just sensitive to criticism, that's most of the
hypersentitive or shy remedies. Lycopodium is concentrating on the
intimate relationships from which he has to distance himself.

I think the Lyc is approaching the less deep pathology. If by her
next period, she is still having this swelling of the ovaries and a
lot of pain, might I try the Iridium as an intercurrent? Could it up
set the case? Lyc is doing good things. They sound like complements
but Iridium is deeper.

She can't get started with work or her marriage. So she is not really
fitting into Scholten's schema. She is doing the Lyc thing of running
from every relationship.

Best,
Ellen

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Joy,
Sorry, I didn't say that clearly. I meant that if they *feel*
persecuted, then they will have feelings and a "story" about the bad
things people are doing to them--saying such-and-such to so-and-so; or
stealing their homework; or bumping into them on purpose, or whatever.

Whereas I would have thought that "feeling judged" would be more like,
"She thinks she's so much better than me," or "They all think I'm
stupid," etc. In other words, I'd think of "delusion, persecuted" as
being about *what people are doing to me*, whereas would think of "fear
of being judged" as being about "what people think" or say.

Shannon