One thing strikes me about this suggestion : I have a feeling it would be really difficult to match the strange complexity that real remedies have – they have a genuine, deep coherence underlying a surface chaos. It would be a bit like writing and deciphering computer code if they were to fabricate hypothetical remedies – logical sequencing without the “SRPs” of life. I’m not sure that testing such skill would be particularly relevant to real case analysis and therapeutics. I believe what the examiners use now are actual cured cases that are relatively straightforward. The patient’s narration in a real case gives real cues, and it’s the overall picture of the symptoms, their relative importance, and the “gestalt” of the patient’s behavior and narrative, taken together, that point to the needed remedy – not just repertorization (which the exam tests separately, using real repertories, remedies, and rubrics but with no case context).
Rosemary
“The quieter you become, the more you can hear."
~Ram Das
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A brilliant suggestion, in my view.
John
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Rosemary is a REALLY smart cookie! Thanks for articulating the point so well. It is easy to forget the grander coherence of the Materia Medica when the repertories can seem so chaotic and random.
Helen
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Rosemary, I love your descriptions!!
Helen
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Rosemary, I love your descriptions!!
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Irene de Villiers
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Splashdown!!!
On Jul 4, 2009, at 8:38 PM, John Harvey wrote:\
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
On Jul 4, 2009, at 8:38 PM, John Harvey wrote:\
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Irene de Villiers
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Hi Rosemary - I totally agree. We can not "invent" remedies that
would have any sense to them. Nature is way ahead of us in that
regard:-)
I wish we had a choice here
It was the principle of doing remedy selection the right way round
that I was hoping to demonstrate.
Testing it is possible - but not that way:-)
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
would have any sense to them. Nature is way ahead of us in that
regard:-)
I wish we had a choice here
It was the principle of doing remedy selection the right way round
that I was hoping to demonstrate.
Testing it is possible - but not that way:-)
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Rosemary Hyde
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Dear Irene,
I also agree with you that the multiple choice format of the actual exam is
not a particularly accurate way to test anybody's true clinical skills. I
don't know what might work better and yet be feasible -- your suggestion was
certainly creative and innovative. The people running the council are
fellow homeopaths, trying to help the profession to become more accepted.
Over time, they've revised and improved the testing process, and I'm sure
they're open to considering further revisions that might improve it yet
more.
You've made some important points. Certainly, at the very least, the
council (legally) needs to provide necessary accommodations so that persons
with disabilities can take the exam.
Rosemary
“The quieter you become, the more you can hear."
~Ram Das
I also agree with you that the multiple choice format of the actual exam is
not a particularly accurate way to test anybody's true clinical skills. I
don't know what might work better and yet be feasible -- your suggestion was
certainly creative and innovative.
The people running the council arefellow homeopaths, trying to help the profession to become more accepted.
Over time, they've revised and improved the testing process, and I'm sure
they're open to considering further revisions that might improve it yet
more.
You've made some important points. Certainly, at the very least, the
council (legally) needs to provide necessary accommodations so that persons
with disabilities can take the exam.
Rosemary
“The quieter you become, the more you can hear."
~Ram Das
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Gisela dicarlo
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Re: CHC Test
Hello Irene
As you know I do not agree with everything that you say
however in this instant about the certification I must agree
If the following is correct:
Nobody doing veterinary homeopathy.
Nobody in a wheelchair.
Nobody who can not sit a 9 hour exam in one go.
Nobody who works on such complex cases that they do 10 cases or less
A week.
Nobody who studied outside a listed school, no matter how good the
School where they did study.
Nobody who is awaiting immigration processing but is legally in USA.
Nobody outside USA
Nobody who is unable to do masses of rote memory work to regurgitate
Etc
And I do not doubt it. I have always been for the certification and the testing on a national level but it has to be a test that is open to all who want to pass the test - why not have a test that any one who dares can sit for. If they pass great - show us you have had experience,show us you can pass the test, be on a continues education program and that should make Homeopath that will not harm the public.
By the way you have been outspoken about this for some time. Why don't you start a certification program that you find could be viable and compete with CHC - that is the only way to change it. Griping and rallying against it does nothing but alienate.
But when you are right, you are right
Gisela Di Carlo,
Dipl. Veterinary Homeopath
570 504 5848
http://thebeautygroup.org
As you know I do not agree with everything that you say
however in this instant about the certification I must agreeIf the following is correct:
Nobody doing veterinary homeopathy.
Nobody in a wheelchair.
Nobody who can not sit a 9 hour exam in one go.
Nobody who works on such complex cases that they do 10 cases or less
A week.
Nobody who studied outside a listed school, no matter how good the
School where they did study.
Nobody who is awaiting immigration processing but is legally in USA.
Nobody outside USA
Nobody who is unable to do masses of rote memory work to regurgitate
Etc
And I do not doubt it. I have always been for the certification and the testing on a national level but it has to be a test that is open to all who want to pass the test - why not have a test that any one who dares can sit for. If they pass great - show us you have had experience,show us you can pass the test, be on a continues education program and that should make Homeopath that will not harm the public.
By the way you have been outspoken about this for some time. Why don't you start a certification program that you find could be viable and compete with CHC - that is the only way to change it. Griping and rallying against it does nothing but alienate.
But when you are right, you are right
Gisela Di Carlo,
Dipl. Veterinary Homeopath
570 504 5848
http://thebeautygroup.org
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Irene de Villiers
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As it currently stands yes this is true.
If I did all the things I wanted to have done, I'd need at least
30000 hrs per day: )
If you know a formula......
Not really,..... smart folks would know better....
The criticism is really a great education in how to get it right - so
it is free research with good value:-)
It can be used as such.... for free:-)
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
If I did all the things I wanted to have done, I'd need at least
30000 hrs per day: )
If you know a formula......
Not really,..... smart folks would know better....
The criticism is really a great education in how to get it right - so
it is free research with good value:-)
It can be used as such.... for free:-)
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Gisela dicarlo
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Re: CHC Test
I do not agree Irene
If you allocate one to two hours per week to the task we could have at least a certification for the Vet Hom. - I would help putting it together - I do 10 thousand things per day and week most are not related to each other - its called time management. Even if CHC ever would take your criticism in account ( which I doubt) we still do not have a Vet.Hom certification. Would be nice - don't you think?
Gisela Di Carlo,
Dipl. Veterinary Homeopath
570 504 5848
http://thebeautygroup.org
If you allocate one to two hours per week to the task we could have at least a certification for the Vet Hom. - I would help putting it together - I do 10 thousand things per day and week most are not related to each other - its called time management. Even if CHC ever would take your criticism in account ( which I doubt) we still do not have a Vet.Hom certification. Would be nice - don't you think?
Gisela Di Carlo,
Dipl. Veterinary Homeopath
570 504 5848
http://thebeautygroup.org