swine flu treatment - Irene

[Ellen Madono]

Dear Irene,

Thanks for so kindly straightening me out on the difference between
thyroid T3 and T4 and t-immune cells. There are too many t-words in
physiology. 2 too many. How lame (

Despite my own ignorance, I am amazed that allopaths miss the function
of the thyroid. Is it so difficult to find a non-vaccinated dead cat?
Ours never was. I was young our cat was healthy and I was too busy
to bother with a vet. There are other ignorant busy people like me.
But then they never talk to you because they don't have a cat problem.

This soy and thumus problem must be an old discussion. Can you refer
me to the discussion of soy products as bad for the thymus. We eat
Japanese, so for a near vegetarian to avoid soy is pretty difficult.
Also, what do you recommend for thymus building since we are all
damaged. I would be very intrested in the logic of building up a
damaged organ. If I knew how to search for the files, I would look
for them.

I remember your past descriptions of not sleeping because of emergency
care. I am so happy to hear that you have named yourself as a top
priority. I honor you for honoring your dharma. Sad that you cannot
handle as many cases. I am surprised that young people are not lined
up at your door asking to be trained.

About staying ahead, if I have an alcoholic patient without obvious
liver symptoms, I still work on the liver. Maybe use drainage
remedies and supports. But in the clearly identified fast moving
emergency like FIPs or end stage cancer, you treat based on knowledge
of the disease pattern. Liver and Kidney are two big remedy group
dividers. (isn't Lyc in between) Based on past experience, knowledge
of the cat constitution either the liver or the kidney are weak so you
treat there during the emergency case expecting organ failure. I
guess heart would be another one for the human but I have never heard
of for example heart draining. It is just a muscle. How about
pancreas failure?

My one experience with disection was a big male cat. His spleen was
huge. I have alway assumed that cats have incredible immune systems.
I remember my mother cat licked the stool from her baby's anus. Is
only the thymus damaged by vaccination?

Blessings,
Ellen Madono
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Irene de Villiers
wrote:

[Irene de Villiers]

True - terminology is a terminal illness:-)
Thymus:-)
No but those who do not vaccinate, also do not get necropsies when
the cat dies. (Said based on my exprience working at vet clinics)
There are several research studies that show a depletion of Th-1
cytokines from soy food, at PubMed. I do not have them handy, but
that is where to look them up.
More nuts, leaves, roots, wild plants, just pretend there is no such
plant as soy.
I do not know for sure how to rebuild, but in theory, I'd suggest:
Thymus 4C sarcode
Moducare supplement
Innate constitutional type remedy - though I do not know if that
helps thymus in particualr, I DO see it build general health.
Tissue salts in rotation - again this is more for general health,
dunno if it helps thymus specifically.
They are. I need the energy to train them. I'd like to find already
trained vethoms to take on some FIP cases though.
I help my own liver with lots of dandelions in the diet - roots
especially - but I use the whole plant. They are plentiful when the
weather is decent.
Also other things per Dr Rozencwajg's book on detox and organotherapy
- another way to see what can help organ health.
Those are examples - sometimes the pancreas goes first in FIP,
sometimes the heart, sometimes the brain, this disease has no class.
As above I should have read this before that part was written
Heart gets the pericardium filled with fluid - and that is lethal.
Lots of illnesses can cause that -
Or partly it MIGHT have been trying to take over some function from a
too small thymus?
(Spleen can also be involved in Th1 cytokine products)
Does not mean a good immune system.
Normal kitten feces have innocuous gut bacteria - and this design is
part of essential predator status. Feces of kittens would attract
predators and cats have to guard against their enemies detecting a
nest. In the wild the mother cat will also make a new nest after the
babies are 2 weeks old, and move house there - in case the nest is
scented by enemy. The new nest will also
be easier for kittens to get out of the nest during evening "lessons"
given by the mother. We miss all or some of that by breeding in a
house. The instinct to clean the kittens remains in queens (and the
kitten can not initially defecate or urinate unaided anyway - also to
keep the nest undetected.)
Good question - often a lot more is damaged, varies by vaccine.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[healthinfo6]

Is Rosmarinic Acid extract helpful to curb cytokine storms?

http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements ... tract.html

Susan

[Ellen Madono]

Thank-you Irene. I have been thinking of your work all day. It is
extraordinary.

Do you think we could eat our babies stools and be ok? Even if cats
need to do that to hide their scent, wouldn't it take an extraordinary
immune system to do that? I remember sucking the snot out of my
babies nose when she couldn't nurse because of blocked nostrils. It
really was not very unpleasant and far more effective than the
syringe that I bought to do that. Probably a mother cat feels the
same about licking up stools as I did my baby's snot. Anything
related to my baby is sweet.

Blessings,
Ellen

On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Irene de Villiers
wrote:

[Irene de Villiers]

Not necessarily - but nature HAS made adaptations in the cat.
For example cats are very naturally resistant to salmonella and we
are not.
Also there is the assumption in nature of a healthy gut flora.
Whether cats have that and whether we have that - these days - is in
question.
Apart from those considerations - the normal gut flora is not
necessarily dangerous organisms. E coli and clostridium are common
for example but they come in many subtypes, only some of which will
cause disease in a susceptible individual, if present in large numbers.
Cats again have the advantage: They clean their own rears all their
life, so they must necessarily develop an immunity to the organisms
in their own gut and which get to their kittens' gut.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Ellen Madono]

Hi,
Would we do well to for example use a potency of our own stools? I
don't mean as a nosode, but to develop immunity to our personal flora?
An auto nosode but not for a particular illness. People who have
leaky guts don't have that immunity so I suppose the rest of us don't
either.
Best,
Ellen

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Irene de Villiers
wrote:

[Irene de Villiers]

Leaky gut is a different issue however - it involves a non-intact gut
lining so that protein that should be digested first, will get
through undigested into the blood stream - thus triggering the immune
system's defences against foreign protein. That's not the same as an
ability to swallow a lot of bacterial protein without them becoming
part of a live bactgerial infection somehow.

..........Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Shannon Nelson]

Also, if I've understood correctly, they only do that while the babies
are exclusively nursing, and stop once they begin to eat.

[Irene de Villiers]

Not quite.
Kittens are unable to produce stool or urine unaided till they are
about 5 or 6 weeks old. When they produce their own, the mother stops
helping, other than to show them how to stay clean. After all there
is nothing there to stimulate.
Teaching them to stay clean always amuses me. A kitten who gets the
least bit of spiderweb on them for example, will get a FULL bath by
the mother - delaying play way longer than the kitten likes - and the
kitten soon learns to do its own cleanup asap - quick before mom
sees .....

This by the way is the secret to all cat training - show them what is
in their interests to do, in a kind way. Mother cats are firm b ut
never mean to their kids - we could learn a thing or six as a race:-)

You can be forgiven for thinking m others stopped cleaning when they
started eating on their own however, as they start eating alone at a
very similar age in many cases (4 to 5 weeks) to the stool production
(5 to 6 weeks). However kittens are able to start eating when
necessary (eg mother not able to nurse them for whatever reason) as
early as 2 weeks of age, and will often normally start experimenting
with food at 4 weeks. But they will still need stimulation to produce
urine and stool - and can die without it. So the mother does it after
each meal.

In fact, it really pays with kittens to put out food very early (I do
it from birth, in a container for mom and kittens use) as that way
they learn the difference between food and litter by the time they
can produce stool - it is a short time difference, but a relevant
one. If you wait to set out food, they will do fine on mom's milk,
but they also will eat litter, not knowing the difference, for some
time.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Shannon Nelson]

Thanks, interesting info! Yes, I remember watching ours eat litter.
Next time I'll be better prepared!