Need advice regarding proving/aggravation from liquid dose please.

[McPhee Family]

I was hoping for some feedback to share with a mom. Her daughter, age 5, had a severe reaction to a DPT shot early this year. She has responded *very* well to Silicea - almost completely back to normal. Prior to, she was a very healthy, happy child without any chronic issues. However, recently she has been developing new symptoms which were pointing more to Calc-C and she wasn't responding as well to the Silicea. She has had 2 acutes in the past which responded nicely to Belladonna and then Stramonium. Given both are "acutes" for Calc-C and Calc-C is a DD with Silicea, it seemed Calc-C was a good fit.
She *dramatically* aggravated to the test dose of Calc-C (30c, 4 oz. RSB) - 1 tsp. with 4 oz. dilution glasses. She did not have significant aggravation from any of the previous remedies however she did need infrequent dosing - one teaspoon dose of Silicea would last about 2 weeks. Also, the mom reported she would antidote from the slightest infraction (smelling someone's mint gum, eating dark chocolate, etc.) and as soon as the remedy was wearing off it would "boom" wear off all at once.
The response to the Calc-C was more like a proving than an aggravation. Mom reports: She immediately and dramatically took on the entire energy of Calc-C. She became very cold. She couldn't do anything. She would just sit in her chair for hours. She had no appetite. These are new symptoms.
She does have many Calc-C symptoms. She's a thumbsucker and bedwetter. However, she became very disturbed and couldn't function. She said she was confused and couldn't answer. She threw up on a bus ride the next day (never happened before). Her hands and feet were cold the next day. Getting upset over tiny, little things. Woke up in the middle of the night to have yellow-green putrid smelling stool (never happened before). No interest in eating at all. Unresponsive, doesn't want to do anything. Can't say whether she does or doesn't want a fried egg (one of her all time favorite foods).
Her ears are stopped however she was just coming off a cold/strep throat and that was a previous symptom (another Calc indication). The day she took the Calc-C dose, the sore throat was completely gone - before dosing. (We had been considering Lach or the Calc-C for the sore throat as it was worse lying down and she also had a sore, swollen parotid gland that was worse moving the head. Mom decided not to give antibiotics or the Lach as she was asymptomatic the next day without any dosing.) We decided to go ahead with the Calc-C as the chronic. However, she did have yellowish - greenish nose discharge (another indication for the Calc) and the mucus did change to clear after the dose of the Calc-C.
Other new symptoms - memory problems - can't remember what she did a week ago at Thanksgiving. Crying, whimpering, moaning. Mom reports just a complete inability to respond. Just sits in her chair. Feels anxious or bad about things. Very thirsty in the middle of the night. Very itchy vulva.
The mom is *very* in-tune to her daughter's energy. She can literally channel her energy and give me symptoms which sounds crazy but she practically talks in rubrics. The mom feels this remedy is definitely not the right fit and reports her daughter is completely different and the energy just seems purely Calc-C. She did not want to antidote with another remedy or go back to the Silicea so she decided to give her a candy cane.
She said within minutes of eating the candy cane she was great. She was laughing again (which she had not done since the Calc-C dose 3 days ago) and normal for about 2 1/2 hours. But then the Calc-C energy came back! I would like to redose her with Silicea in the morning but the mom wants to know if there are any other opinions.
Some of the other indications the Calc-C was based on: she had developed lying or making up stories for no reason and she had started to have bad, persistent thoughts at night just before going to sleep. It was usually about one thing and she couldn't put it out of her mind. She also became clumsy and was falling down a lot.
Any thoughts I can share with the mom are most appreciated. Thanks!
Truly,
Erica

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Erica,
Although I see why calc-c was given, her reactions don't sound to *me*
as tho it's the right remedy. I would use the new symptom picture
(symptoms that arose after she took the calc-c) to arrive at another
one--consider it a "clarification of the picture."

With the emphasis (or what to me *seems* a current emphasis) on
confusion, awkwardness, dullness (the sitting), lethargy, memory
problems, swollen glands, lying, vaginal itch, anxiety--what about Med?
It has *lots* in common with calc-c, but looks to me to cover the
specifics here a bit better. Another that came to my mind was bar-c,
but I don't think that covers the lying, itching, green stool, and
maybe not the sitting.

Just fo I think what first made me think of Med is that your
description of sitting "in her chair for hours"--years back I had an
awful acute which was treated with a remedy that *almost* worked--I
remember describing it as feeling as tho my body was *trying* to
respond, but the load was just too heavy, energy bottomed out, and all
I felt capable of was sitting. I remember my h'th asking, "So what are
you doing when you sit--watching TV, or reading?" Me: "Nope. Sit on
the bed, and stare at the wall." I remember it as a "stunned" kind of
feeling. I *think* that's what clinched his choice of Med (and there
were *lots* of other indications for it), which shifted things quickly
and beautifully, and wound up being an *extremely* helpful remedy for
me over the next couple of years. It's similar to calc, and similar to
sil...

So--I don't mean this as a "give Med!" but just as a thought,
and my reasons.

Best wishes!
Shannon

[ELM]

Thank you Shannon,
This is very helpful. I will take a look at Med. It does seem to make
sense at first glance. I'm wondering too if the Calc dose just blew
open the sycotic miasm.

I've never heard of anyone having a full on proving from a 1 teaspoon
dose. Especially when they haven't responded overly sensitive to any
other remedies. I know we are most sensitive to our simillimum but I
agree it doesn't sound like the Calc-C was right.

Thanks again for responding.
Truly,
Erica

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*me* as tho it's the right remedy.

[Shannon Nelson]

Yes, that caught my eye too!!
Once I was told (that my friend had been told) that an
uncharacteristically severe reaction like that can mean that it's a
remedy that *will* be needed in the future, but something else needs to
be given first. As if the body recognizes, and really *really* wants
to answer, but just can't get there yet.
miasm", and/or "clarification", in that perhaps the stress of trying to
answer to the resonant-but-not-quite-sufficient remedy simply
highlights the underlying weaknesses and tendencies, bringing them more
clearly into view?
sort of thing from an ill-chosen dose of Tub, which caused HUGE
flare-up of his symptoms, *plus* new ones, that made the needed remedy
(good ol' Med) pretty much inescapable. In that case (I muse) I think
it was about a *decade* before he got to where Tub was actually needed,
so not sure if that supports my first thought or not! Oh well...)

On the bright side I'd think that her vigorous response to the
remedy is a good sign, means her body is "listening," and should
respond promptly when the right one is given! Are you using LM?

Shannon

[ELM]

Thanks again Shannon, again very helpful!

The mom is completely freaked because the antidotes won't hold. Which
again makes me feel like the body is in some way just *really*
resonating with the remedy even though it's throwing out new
symptoms. I'm worried the Strep is pushing through and possibly
causing the symptoms (which are Calc-C symptoms) and so perhaps the
body is simultaneously putting out new symptoms and aggravating at
the same time? I don't know!

This was a 30c in water. I decided not to go directly to an LM with
her because the mom was so cautious. Once we were on steady
improvements and the 30c had done it's thing I was going to LM1.

The mom doesn't want to do another remedy now. She wants to just try
various antidotes. I can't say I blame her as this is day 4 now and
she's still struggling with the m/e symptoms. But I really want to
give the new remedy. Interestingly enough though there are glimpses
in between of where she's near normal behaving and happy, etc.

I'll let you know what ends up happening. If anyone else has ever
experienced this, I'd love to hear. Thanks again for sharing Shannon -
your support is invaluable.

Truly,
Erica

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[Jean Doherty]

Feel bad for not putting energy into this before but is this not Apis .. And should not Apis be needed now, Indeed a salutary story, Jean