Spagyric Medicine

[Dr. Atiq @ BT]

Has anyone on the group used Spagyric essences/medicine?
Spagyric is the bridge between Phytotherapy and Homeopathy.
It would be interesting to know if anyone on the list has got experience of this system related to Homeopathy.
Atiq

[Leilanae]

Hi Atiq,

I seem to remember Dr. Roz/Joe talking about Spagyric.

Leilanae

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

I never used them (could not find them), although gave them a good look.
As far as I can remember, it involves making a tincture, then using the remaining Marc, drying it, burning it and adding the ashes to the tincture to make a spagyric solution.....Paracelsian remedy.
It claims to bring the total essence of the plant in action, not just the soluble parts, which links to the other claim that we should not use tinctures to start our remedies but triturations of the full plant; we should then also prove those full plant triturations and compare them to the "classical" vegetal remedies.
The bridge between Phytotherapy and Homeopathy is Homeobotanical Medicine: very low potency remedies, between 2X and 3C with indications based on the traditional uses as per traditional herbalism and the homeopathic provings. The use is clinical (inflammation, immunity, pain, heart "problems", etc,....) and used as complexes.
Works very well on a physical level, even the "emotional" remedies, and is very helpful when symptoms are vague, unclear, no real modalities............for the type of situation you would go to bed with a cup of tea and try to sleep it off....
A Kiwi invention BTW.....
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
Visit http://drjoesnaturalmedicine.blogspot.com for some articles and comments.

[Tanya Marquette]

i have used spagyric tinctures. they are supposed to carry more of the mineral content of the herb
and therefore more intense or deep acting.
tanya

[Dr. Atiq @ BT]

Interesting.
The problem I have is that the two systems do NOT fit into one another, i.e. Homeopathic remedies from 1x onwards compared to just full plant Spagyric essences
It’s just interesting that they use many different remedies in combination. Is it the carbon that comes into play here?
atiq
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I never used them (could not find them), although gave them a good look.
As far as I can remember, it involves making a tincture, then using the remaining Marc, drying it, burning it and adding the ashes to the tincture to make a spagyric solution.....Paracelsian remedy.
It claims to bring the total essence of the plant in action, not just the soluble parts, which links to the other claim that we should not use tinctures to start our remedies but triturations of the full plant; we should then also prove those full plant triturations and compare them to the "classical" vegetal remedies.
The bridge between Phytotherapy and Homeopathy is Homeobotanical Medicine: very low potency remedies, between 2X and 3C with indications based on the traditional uses as per traditional herbalism and the homeopathic provings. The use is clinical (inflammation, immunity, pain, heart "problems", etc,....) and used as complexes.

Works very well on a physical level, even the "emotional" remedies, and is very helpful when symptoms are vague, unclear, no real modalities............for the type of situation you would go to bed with a cup of tea and try to sleep it off....

A Kiwi invention BTW.....
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

Visit http://drjoesnaturalmedicine.blogspot.com for some articles and comments.

[Dr. Atiq @ BT]

Do they work?
What are your experiences in using them? Faster result than homeopathic alternatives?
Atiq
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Spagyric Medicine
i have used spagyric tinctures. they are supposed to carry more of the mineral content of the herb

and therefore more intense or deep acting.
tanya

[Tanya Marquette]

can't realy say--have not used them very much.
use homeopathy primarily or other energy systems
that work with homeopathy such as eft or low level laser.
they were recommended to me awhile ago and i did a bit of
reading on them back then. at the time i bought a couple of the
tinctures but that was it.
tanya

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

I do not fully understand what you say with "they do not fit".....
Looking at the traditional use of herbs and comparing it with the provings done with potency, we can see the same patterns appearing, but more detailed, more precise and more in depth with the homeopathic remedies, kind of a refinement, a distillation with potencies.
If you are talking about homeobotanicals, what Dr. Brian Murray found out through years of clinical experience is that at a very low potency, around the area of 2X-3C (and apparently different for each herb), there is a surge of clinical activity at the physical level, a peak in action as compared with the usual tincture + some of the physical actions found with the potentised herb but not very obvious in the tinctures.
That has been confirmed over 30 years of his practice and the collection of cases from practitioners.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
Visit http://drjoesnaturalmedicine.blogspot.com for some articles and comments.