Tooth abscess, posology question

Shannon Nelson · Post by **Shannon Nelson** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:39 pm

In treating a newly abscessed tooth--pain is now persistent but not
extremely strong--is it sufficient to repeat the remedy whenever
discomfort returns, or won't this be (or might not be) aggressive
enough to complete healing?

Initially silica worked well--removed discomfort enough to get her thru
the night.
But this morning discomfort was returning, and a repeated dose didn't
act.
I tried a few things, based on the broader picture since there isn't
much specific to go on:
calc-c did nothing;
lyc did nothing.

Hekla 6c now has removed the discomfort, tho has only held for a few
hours. I would love to see if we can heal it completely, but I don't
really know how to proceed other than repeating when pain returns--and
is 6c an okay potency? (That's the only one I have hekla in at the
moment.)

Symptoms:
At worst it's a mildly throbbing (or maybe not really throbbing)
<< heat, and pressure of chewing. Once quieted, the pain stays away
until aggravated by pain or chewing, but once that begins, it lasts for
quite a while. (No very clear pattern yet.) That's all I've got at
the moment, and I know it's not much... Mostly I'd love to hear
experiences with treating abscessed tooth, and suggestions re
repetitions.

Thanks!
Shannon

d_rona2000 · Post by **d_rona2000** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:51 pm

Hi Shannon,

You did not say what was the cause of the abscess. Trauma to the
jaw? Foreign object in the gumline? Pressure from grinding teeth?
Dental work gone bad? Bone problems? If the pain is not resolving
from remedies with a short time - I'm sure you will send the
individual for a dental evaluation.

I've just had some dental work (repair of old work) so I empathise.
In my case, the lower potencies (6c or 12x ) had far better effect,
even if they did need to be repeated more frequently. The nerves in
that area are sensitive enough that I think you will find that
repeating when discomfort returns will be sufficient.

Donna

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Shannon Nelson · Post by **Shannon Nelson** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:43 pm

Thanks Donna, I'll see what more I can find out.
How often have you found it necessary to repeat, and how long did it
take to resolve? (Were you able to do without any root canal?)
Shannon

DCR · Post by **DCR** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:10 am

Hi Shannon,
In my case I tried a 30c immediately since I had it in my purse, but it did nothing. Only after starting the 6c did I feel relief - wonderful relief. I started taking the 6c remedies about 1 hour after the procedure (I stopped on the way home for a 10 minute chair massage of the neck and shoulders - having spent 3 hours in the dental chair with the fellow crawling down my mouth, and fresh veggie juice). I started alternating arnica and hypericum due to my particular symptoms and the nature of the dental work. In my case, I went from repeating every 20 minutes for the first hour or so, to every hour for the next 4 hours (I still had to function full time and could not rest). Somewhere along the line I did try 200c (my energy level was very good), but found it had no effect. The evening was excellent, and did not have too much pain, I believe I only repeated one time. The next day I needed to start again after accidentally chewing on the problem side, and again after finding I was sensitive (understatement) to cold. The third day the pain returned when a piece of the temporary covering chipped off. So the need to repeat in my case was entirely 'event' driven. I did add extra vit C the first day, and extra vit E the second - to aid in the healing process.
Please tell your client not to be discouraged if she needs to repeat (as long as she is getting the excellent comfort from the remedy immediately). The mouth is such a difficult place to keep still and quiet. Food, speaking, hot and cold drinks, yawning, and unconscious 'touching' by the tongue of the affected region, will constantly cause irritation. Also, due to the prolonged pain - the shoulders and neck will tense - making the pain more pronounced - so anything she can do for relaxation of those muscles will aid in circulation and pain relief.
My case is not an abscess situation, so in your clients case it would certainly be prudent to watch for infection - since it is easy to get out of hand quickly in the mouth.
D C Rona, PhD, ND, DHM
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Thanks Donna, I'll see what more I can find out.
How often have you found it necessary to repeat, and how long did it take to resolve? (Were you able to do without any root canal?)
Shannon

Grace Dasilva-Hill · Post by **Grace Dasilva-Hill** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:00 am

Hi Shannon,

If Silica worked well, is it worth going up in potency? I can not find any info. about the
potency you used though.
With acutes, I learned that 200c works well, and this indeed what I do in my practice; this
works almost every time. I learned from Ian Watson, that energy should be matched to
energy, so if something is high energy like a fever or a pain, then we should match with a
high energy. I can understand this, and it works well for me in my practice. Sometimes I
even go higher than that. I remember once someone had crushed fingers; Hyper. 10M
every 5 - 10 mins. as needed, for several hours, provided almost 100% relief, and the next
day the fingers were almost totally normal again much to everyone's amazement. Best
wishes, Grace

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CLBernat · Post by **CLBernat** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:43 pm

In spite of the symptoms, and treated as an acute, I would use Hypericum 200c split into a medicinal solution (one pellet in 4 ounces of distilled water). Take one teaspoonful and wait for relief. If not forthcoming in 1/2 hour repeat up to three additional doses. And get to a dentist.

Dr. Carol Bernat

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Tanya Marquette · Post by **Tanya Marquette** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:48 pm

i have used merc c for abatement of tooth pain with an abcess. got me
through the day till i could get to a dentist.
tanya
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Shannon Nelson · Post by **Shannon Nelson** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:07 pm

Thanks, Donna!
I'm noting with interest your different responses to the high and low.
I know that "some say" low potencies are better for physical matters,
and/or when used on broader indications, maybe not including e.g. clear
keynotes of the remedy. That guideline has seemed to work for me.
(OTOH "some say" also that low potencies don't reach into the
mental/emotional sphere or for strong symptoms, and that I most
emphatically find *not* to be the case.) I'm surprised, tho, that 30
and 200 had *no* effect, and I've got that so-to-speak underlined in
red in my mental notes.

Thanks,
Shannon

DCR · Post by **DCR** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:31 pm

I agree - it is fascinating how we develop as practitioners. Some have a rigid approach - based on their training and experience. Others have a more experimental approach. Some have very hard and fast rules about potency for physical and potency for mental/emotional, when and how to dose, etc. Others seem to have 'rules of thumb' and be making decisions based on the individual in front of them, and their response that day. So much to learn!!!!!
I hope your client is feeling better.
D C Rona, PhD, ND, DHM
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Thanks, Donna!
I'm noting with interest your different responses to the high and low. I know that "some say" low potencies are better for physical matters, and/or when used on broader indications, maybe not including e.g. clear keynotes of the remedy. That guideline has seemed to work for me. (OTOH "some say" also that low potencies don't reach into the mental/emotional sphere or for strong symptoms, and that I most emphatically find *not* to be the case.) I'm surprised, tho, that 30 and 200 had *no* effect, and I've got that so-to-speak underlined in red in my mental notes.

Thanks,
Shannon

Tanya Marquette · Post by **Tanya Marquette** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:47 pm

i think those guidelines are only that. i always go back to the
adage 'in each individual case.' i have found that in some acutes
i need 200c to begin to touch the problem. but there are people
who will go through life transformative stages at a 6c level. i always
ask people how they generally respond to medications or herbs to
try and get some assessment of their sensitivity level. sometimes people
will tell you while taking the case that they are so sensitive to
everything,
or vise versa, it takes a bulldozer to get a reaction from them.

aren't we interesting creatures!

tanya