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Carol Boyce
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Re: Swine Fever Profiteering - now tautopathy

Post by Carol Boyce »

Hi Joy,

Could we not say that in a sense the cat (in this case) was doing a single case 'proving' - or better put poisoning - and the info would be added to the materia medica of the chemical in question were it to be proved and entered into the mat medica - a bit like Arsenicum for arsenic poisoning..... No suggestion that tautopathy should be seen as a 'short cut' to the correct remedy - but rather another way of getting the case sorted out in an emergency - I have used the same approach to excellent effect in cases where I knew there was a specific poisoning.

I would consider myself a classical prescriber - one remedy, single dose and etc. but in a serious case where the remedy was not clear and the time frame very tight - I have in the past used a combination of the best indicated remedies to life saving effect. It might be said this was a failing on my part in that I could not in that moment differentiate clearly enough and so hedged my bets and gave 4 remedies together. The lives that were saved in those emergency situations don't really care what the method was.

Yes of course ANY of our cases could be construed as placebo and in some circles unfortunately are! Although the animal cases amongst them are more of a stretch. Yes we should always stay aware of the variables and how they might play out - but again all that is the vision of 20/20 hindsight - a wonderful thing but by definition only useful after the fact.

imho Save the life and then discuss methodology - the rest of the time take the case and sort out the Similimum! :)

Carol

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Joy Lucas
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Re: Swine Fever Profiteering - now tautopathy

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If there is time to give tautopathy there is time to give homeopathy. I cannot comment whether a proving of Frontline is required, we probably have enough remedies in our Materia medica for just about everything. Tautopathy is using potentised substances and the trouble is this is creeping into homeopathy like a virus itself. Time to take Tautopathy 30c or maybe 10m might be better.

Joy

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McPhee Family
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Re: Swine Fever Profiteering - now tautopathy

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This is not addressed at Joy in particular. But so what if tautopathy is creeping in? Do you think homeopathy is a perfected system? I don't. Not when there are children with autism who respond to no remedy we currently have or currently know about. If we have enough remedies in our materia medica to cure them... where are the cures? How many diabetes cures are reported? How many thyroid cures are there?
I strongly believe things like perchlorate (jetfuel) need to be given a full proving. I am convinced things like this will be this century's polycrests. Studies show 100% of infant formula is contaminated with it and one study of women's breastmilk found perchlorate in every sample. Mammals can store perchlorate in breast tissue during lactation.
Perchlorate greatly impacts human health by interfering with iodide uptake into the thyroid gland. In adults, the thyroid gland helps regulate the metabolism by releasing hormones, while in children, the thyroid helps in proper development. Perchlorate is becoming a serious threat to human health and water resources. I am pretty sure we are reaching epidemic proportions of insulin resistance and thyroid issues. Are there remedies to address this now? If so, where are all the homeopathic hypothyroid cures? Please share them.
I did a personal proving of Perchlorate and I had a euphoric response to it. Was that tautopathy or homeopathy? The difference is between a proven remedy and an unproven one. Don't knock tautopathy when it's really the reckless use of unproven substances in an attempt to cure that is infiltrating homeopathy. But if the Frontline worked, this is important. And so yes, maybe a full proving is needed. But if I as an individual want to try it, that is my choice and it will only benefit others. There is more than one way to a proving ... the crude substance would be the first choice in determining symptoms, would it not? The problem creeping in, as you say, is homeopaths jumping on the next remedy and using it with nothing to go by. Practice on yourself and your family first is what Hahnemann said.
This subject is very important to me because as many know, my son was cured of autism with the DTP remedy. And yes, I know one certain famous homeopath goes around saying the remedy is useless and unethical and blah, blah, blah even though it is suggested for use no less than 5 times in two of his books. But what most people do not know is his cure was based on a simillimum, not isopathy or a vaccine clearing. Len Marlow has created an MM for DTP vaccine based on a review of 500 cases. It fit my son's symptoms to a T - it was his simillimum - that's why it worked for him! And that's why yes, it may be useless to others. But I can't imagine where my son would be had our homeopath not given it to him because it wasn't a "proven" remedy. Does that mean I advocate giving it to others - absolutely not. But please don't stop proving remedies because we think there are enough.
I'm not suggesting anyone practice recklessly, I'm just saying, keep your minds open. We are a chemically laden, toxic world. And the chemicals and toxins are still sulphur, arsenic, and mercury. But now there are new ones too. IMHO, we will need them in our repertoire.
There is a reason remedies like Sulphur, Arsenicum, and Mercury are polycrests. Sulphur is primarily used in fertilizers but is also used in insecticides and fungicides. Perhaps there is a tautopathic response in its almost universal resonance. Does that matter? Don't knock tautopathy or isopathy, knock the irresponsible use of remedies. Otherwise, you are the same as the allopathic naysayers that look one in the eye and say there are no studies showing homeopathy works when you can go in pubmed and find them very easily.
Hahnemann said when potentized, they are no longer the same but similar.
Truly,
Erica
Joy wrote:
I cannot comment whether a proving of Frontline is required, we
probably have enough remedies in our Materia medica for just about
everything. Tautopathy is using potentised substances and the trouble
is this is creeping into homeopathy like a virus itself.


McPhee Family
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Re: Swine Fever Profiteering - now tautopathy

Post by McPhee Family »

I forgot to list a reference for this, "Perchlorate greatly impacts human health by interfering with iodide uptake into the thyroid gland. In adults, the thyroid gland helps regulate the metabolism by releasing hormones, while in children, the thyroid helps in proper development. Perchlorate is becoming a serious threat to human health and water resources." These were not my words. Sorry for the exclusion. This was verbatim text widely used in AP and internet articles.
Truly,
Erica


Joy Lucas
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Re: Swine Fever Profiteering - now tautopathy

Post by Joy Lucas »

It is a big deal to a lot of us actually
Yes and a shame you do not but so what
They just haven't had the simillimum or the correct potency/dosing
They are out there and plenty of them, many not published, some homeopaths just get on with it.
Going by the way some people practice I wouldn't recommend that
DTP has a good sx picture


Carol Boyce
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Re: Swine Fever Profiteering - now tautopathy

Post by Carol Boyce »

I don't think anyone is saying the tautopathy IS homeopathy - otherwise we wouldn't be calling it tautopathy......it's clearly not - however it is another tool that can be useful in certain cases - not just because we 'fail' or are unwilling to put the effort in to find a remedy - but because at that moment it does the job - I think the idea of save a life and sort out the fall out later could be the tag line. We may need a chiropractic adjustment in the case - not homeopathy but maybe required for curative action.

The cat (in the Frontier case) was a poisoning case from the (brief) description - and the info would be added to the materia medica of the chemical in question were it to be proved down the road - a bit like Arsenicum for arsenic poisoning..... No suggestion that tautopathy should be seen as a 'short cut' to the correct remedy - but rather another way of getting the case sorted out in an emergency - I have used the same approach to excellent effect in cases where I knew there was a specific poisoning.

I would consider myself a classical prescriber - one remedy, single dose and etc. but in a serious case where the remedy was not clear (to me) and the time frame very tight - I have in the past used a combination of the best indicated remedies to life saving effect. It might be said this was a failing on my part in that I could not in that moment differentiate clearly enough and so hedged my bets and gave 4 remedies together. Those who's lives were saved didn't really care what the method was.

Yes of course ANY of our cases could be construed as placebo and in some circles unfortunately are! Although the animal cases amongst them are more of a stretch. Yes we should always stay aware of the variables and how they might play out - but again all that is the vision of 20/20 hindsight - a wonderful thing but by definition only useful after the fact.

imho Save the life and then discuss methodology - the rest of the time take the case and sort out the Similimum! :) And we all agree I think that Tautopathy IS NOT homepathy!

Carol

Carol Boyce CCH, RSHom(NA)


Rosemary C. Hyde, Ph.D.
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Re: Swine Fever Profiteering - now tautopathy

Post by Rosemary C. Hyde, Ph.D. »

Interesting topic for discussion, tautopathy.
My experience is that the effectiveness of tautopathic remedies is similar to that of nosodes – often very helpful where a clear remedy picture doesn’t exist, but not a definitely curative remedy in most instances.
A couple of personal examples, which are just that – N=1 each time – but also can provide the basis for examining other exposures and responses and the relationship of tautopathy to remedies.
I had an experience with a dog several years ago who had responded to a topical application of Advantage with extreme vomiting. I potentized the Advantage quickly, to 12c, I think, and gave it, and it abated the vomiting, which had been extreme – that was a good thing to do., though not a cure. As I was able to observe the symptoms a bit more, it became obvious that Tabacum would probably work, and it did, curatively.
I myself recently had been ordered to have a CT scan for which they used Iodine contrast medium. I had a horrible toxic response to the Iodine (like an industrial strength proving of Iodum – Oh, my God!!). I took Iodum30 several times when I got home, and each time it helped. But hours-long episodes of similar symptoms recurred several times over the next several weeks, at unpredictable intervals, I obviously was still under the influence of the poisoning, and Iodum clearly was not the simillimum. After more time to observe, especially when “industrial strength” pain in my neck glands, a barking cough (with no coryza), and total intolerance of tight clothing anywhere around my trunk developed in addition, the symptoms pointed to Spongia. One dose 30c improved everything to such an extent it was amazing. The difference felt like a contrast between something that helps, in a sort of allopathic manner, as opposed to the simillimum, which one can feel at every level of one’s being.
Tautopathy has its important place, I think, in providing a quick help to alleviate extreme symptoms. But I suspect that generally, as in these two experiences, it’s not a curative intervention, and that the simillimum can then provide the cure that is needed – once it’s found.
Rosemary
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This is not addressed at Joy in particular. But so what if tautopathy is creeping in? Do you think homeopathy is a perfected system? I don't. Not when there are children with autism who respond to no remedy we currently have or currently know about. If we have enough remedies in our materia medica to cure them... where are the cures? How many diabetes cures are reported? How many thyroid cures are there?
I strongly believe things like perchlorate (jetfuel) need to be given a full proving. I am convinced things like this will be this century's polycrests. Studies show 100% of infant formula is contaminated with it and one study of women's breastmilk found perchlorate in every sample. Mammals can store perchlorate in breast tissue during lactation.
Perchlorate greatly impacts human health by interfering with iodide uptake into the thyroid gland. In adults, the thyroid gland helps regulate the metabolism by releasing hormones, while in children, the thyroid helps in proper development. Perchlorate is becoming a serious threat to human health and water resources. I am pretty sure we are reaching epidemic proportions of insulin resistance and thyroid issues. Are there remedies to address this now? If so, where are all the homeopathic hypothyroid cures? Please share them.
I did a personal proving of Perchlorate and I had a euphoric response to it. Was that tautopathy or homeopathy? The difference is between a proven remedy and an unproven one. Don't knock tautopathy when it's really the reckless use of unproven substances in an attempt to cure that is infiltrating homeopathy. But if the Frontline worked, this is important. And so yes, maybe a full proving is needed. But if I as an individual want to try it, that is my choice and it will only benefit others. There is more than one way to a proving ... the crude substance would be the first choice in determining symptoms, would it not? The problem creeping in, as you say, is homeopaths jumping on the next remedy and using it with nothing to go by. Practice on yourself and your family first is what Hahnemann said.
This subject is very important to me because as many know, my son was cured of autism with the DTP remedy. And yes, I know one certain famous homeopath goes around saying the remedy is useless and unethical and blah, blah, blah even though it is suggested for use no less than 5 times in two of his books. But what most people do not know is his cure was based on a simillimum, not isopathy or a vaccine clearing. Len Marlow has created an MM for DTP vaccine based on a review of 500 cases. It fit my son's symptoms to a T - it was his simillimum - that's why it worked for him! And that's why yes, it may be useless to others. But I can't imagine where my son would be had our homeopath not given it to him because it wasn't a "proven" remedy. Does that mean I advocate giving it to others - absolutely not. But please don't stop proving remedies because we think there are enough.
I'm not suggesting anyone practice recklessly, I'm just saying, keep your minds open. We are a chemically laden, toxic world. And the chemicals and toxins are still sulphur, arsenic, and mercury. But now there are new ones too. IMHO, we will need them in our repertoire.
There is a reason remedies like Sulphur, Arsenicum, and Mercury are polycrests. Sulphur is primarily used in fertilizers but is also used in insecticides and fungicides. Perhaps there is a tautopathic response in its almost universal resonance. Does that matter? Don't knock tautopathy or isopathy, knock the irresponsible use of remedies. Otherwise, you are the same as the allopathic naysayers that look one in the eye and say there are no studies showing homeopathy works when you can go in pubmed and find them very easily.
Hahnemann said when potentized, they are no longer the same but similar.
Truly,

Erica
Joy wrote:
I cannot comment whether a proving of Frontline is required, we
probably have enough remedies in our Materia medica for just about
everything. Tautopathy is using potentised substances and the trouble
is this is creeping into homeopathy like a virus itself.


McPhee Family
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Re: Swine Fever Profiteering - now tautopathy

Post by McPhee Family »

Joy wrote: Yes and a shame you do not but so what.
Hahnemann also said in his 4th edition that was final, this is the way to do it and then in his 6th edition said, forget everything I said, this is the way now. Then he died. So it ends there? I don't think so. If he said it was done at the 4th edition and then didn't go forward, would it be perfected? No. And I don't think it's perfected just because he died. I don't think that's a shame. And yes, so what? I don't know! So what to anything I say ... I ask myself that every time I post or write an article... so what? Does anyone care what I think? Probably not much but so what. I'll still plod along with ideas and thoughtfulness to the topic.
Joy wrote: They just haven't had the simillimum or the correct potency/dosing

That's right. My point exactly. So what is the problem? If you have homeopaths who are finding the simillimum for these children and curing them, please do forward their names to me as I have parents asking me daily for referrals. I know there are some cures out there but they pale in comparison to the number of parents who have not had any results. And these are parents who have gone to classical homeopaths with good case management for 1-3 years.
Joy wrote: DTP has a good sx picture
And how is that? So now it is no longer tautopathy. My major point was that perhaps some of our polycrests are polycrests because they were the toxins back in the day, thus making them actually tautopathy after all. I am not confusing the two at all. The difference is in knowing the expected outcome based on the proving and using the remedy as such. I respect this point. However, I don't think we can close the book of Materia Medica and call it good. The possibilities are infinite. I find it strange you would say that we probably have enough remedies when you conduct provings. Did I miss something?
I agree - the two should not be confused. But if, for example, I could not find the right remedy to save my cats, do I just give up? No, I made a tautopathic remedy and saved them. And I would do it again if I had to and I would not consider that bad practice, nor do I consider it homeopathy.

Truly,
Erica


Shannon Nelson
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Re: Swine Fever Profiteering - now tautopathy

Post by Shannon Nelson »

On Apr 28, 2009, at 3:29 PM, McPhee Family wrote:
Hi Erica,

An important point to note, is that it's not a *remedy* that is
tautopathic or homeopathic, but rather the way in which it's chosen /
used / applied. If e.g. DPT is chosen on basis of its materia medica,
then it's homeopathic to that case, despite being *also* perhaps
tautopathic to it.

Cheers,
Shannon


Irene de Villiers
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Swine Fever Profiteering - now tautopathy

Post by Irene de Villiers »

I doubt it.
Tautopathic remedies have often been used - very effectively - before
they were proved. But the case record of success with them is more
than sufficient proof to continue to use them homeopathically -
either in emergency as Liz did - or for prevention of illness.

I have used them for prevention of acute illness and also to
overcome vaccine reactions, for several decades - with great success.
Why toss that success out?
I am not about to do that :-)

Namaste,
Irene
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