water potencies and dilution

[Helen Tucker]

My homeopath tells me to dissolve a remedy pill in a 8 oz glass of water. Then every time I take the remedy, I succuss the bottle first, dilute a measure of the remedy solution through a 4 oz cup, then take the same measure of remedy into the mouth.
I was wondering what would happen if I save that 4 oz cup into a bottle. Then succuss that second diluted bottle and take the remedy directly from that second bottle each time I take the remedy. I wouldn't have to dilute it every single time if I just save the diluted bottle, right?
My homeopath says that isn't how it's done, but I can't understand WHY it can't be done that way. Do you have have an opinion about this?
Thanks.
Helen
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[healthinfo6]

Helen,

This sounds like basic instructions for an LM potency but can be used for C potency. Do you know which one you are taking?

For LM, the idea is to *gradually* increase the potency of each dose by dilution and/or succussion. It is theorized that this allows one's vital force to respond better and cure conditions faster with less aggravations vs. C potency. Generally, the 4 oz. dilution is meant to be taken one or more times in a day or period of time, stirring each time before taking a dose to change the potency slightly. Then you discard and create a higher potent new 4 oz. dilution. Depending on your reaction, sensitivity, condition the amount of stirs of the 4 oz. cup, # of succusses of the 8 oz bottle, and how many times and how often you take a dose from the 4 oz. are variable. There is no absolute rule you can't keep using the 4 oz. dilution longer, but for progress, especially for constitutional prescribing, it is necessary to move higher. The speed of that depends on how you react.

Initially, you should take as your homeopath has advised. The LM potency allows you to fine tune doses to minimize aggravations and maximize ameliorations though it may take awhile until you notice anything happening to even begin to do so. Thus, many homeopaths advise to take it on a fixed schedule. Just be aware of how you are responding as an LM aggravation of your condition(s) can come on fast and strong, and if this starts to happen, you need to stop or reduce frequency of doses because it indicates you are approaching "cure" and need less or no more remedy.

Did your homeopath advise how long to keep taking the remedy?

Susan

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Helen,

As someone who's only slowly coming to terms with water potencies
I'm looking forward to the responses! (Your approach sounds reasonable
enough to me...) From what I've noticed with remedy dosing in general,
my hunch is that it would be just fine for most people, but for the
most sensitive there could be an advantage in the greater
"standardization" of the approach that was suggested to you. E.g.,
with the approach you're suggesting, you'll have more succussions but
same dilution for... er, however many tsps or whatever there are in 4
oz, the the number of succussions drops back again (to only the number
that the big bottle had gotten). I tend to play pretty fast-and-loose
with numbers of succussion and amount of dilution; will use a jar of
water potency (taking sips right from the jar) until it's either gone
or icky, then start over with a fresh one and not worry too much about
numbers of succussions... I haven't seen any problem with that, but
then I never saw any problem with simply repeating dry doses either, so
evidently I'm not a hypersensitive! But there may be people or
situations where it is useful to be more orderly, and to know exactly
what you've done up to that point.

My observation is that a *lot* of the rules we have about homeopathy
have to do with "standardization"--removing potential surprises--rather
than being things that are really necessary in most cases. (e.g.
avoiding this or that food; taking remedy on a "clean" mouth; having
patient stop drugs or etc. before beginning, etc. All of these are
*sometimes* (for some patients) significant, so it does remove a layer
of potential confusion if you *can* start out on that ideal sort of
footing.)

Shannon

[Chris_Gillen]

Hello,
I can't really understand your post below, do you mean your homoeopath told you to dissolve one pillule into an 8 oz bottle, succuss the bottle, then pour half of the contents into a 4oz cup and drink that whole 4oz cup as one dose?
Then next time you dose you dissolve another pillule into another 8oz bottle etc...? Is that what you mean?
Chris

[Ellen Madono]

You are diluting the remedy. I do that for people who are very sensitive. Otherwise you only use one bottle for each dose you take. You use the same solution each time.
Best,
Ellen

[Helen Tucker]

No. I'm sorry I wasn't clearer.
I dissolve one pillule into an 8 oz bottle. Each time I take the remedy, I succuss the bottle, then take out say a teaspoon, and put that into a 4 oz cup. Then I take a teaspoon from the 4 oz cup into my mouth. Then I dump the cup. Next time I take the remedy from the 8 oz bottle and make a brand new 4 oz cup again.
This is a lot of work. What I would like to do is save the 4 oz cup into a bottle, and just succuss the diluted 4 oz bottle, then take a teaspoon from that--without having to make a brand new 4 oz cup each time. Our homeopath says not to do that, but I don't really understand why.
Our entire family uses this method no matter what the potency, whether it is LM or C. Mostly we use C potencies. I understand doing this way with LM potencies when one adjusts the dosage. I don't mind making a new dilution when the dosage is adjusted. But when nothing changes, it seems like we should be able to keep the second bottle and drink directly from that.
Thanks for all the responses so far. I appreciate them all.
Helen
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[Irene de Villiers]

On Oct 24, 2008, at 1:01 PM,
wrote:

In my view, the instructions make sense. It is indeed a bit of work,
but the main dosing solution is the first bottle.
The other dilution is not one every person needs - it is to help a
sensitive person to not have an aggravation - and your homeopath can
later adjust the dilution as you progress, without upsetting the main
remedy bottle and what it contains.

The only thing I'd expect in addition to your description is a
succussion (shaking) of the main bottle each time before making the
dilution. That would fractionally raise the potency, and it is the
main bottle, NOT the dilution, which woudl need the potency slightly
raised each time. It is the difference (slightly higher) in potency
of main bottle that you want to dilute each time, to make a "small
dose". If you did not succuss the main bottle at all, then you are
getting the same potency dose, and then indeed I'd see less reason to
re-dilute each time.

I suggest you discuss it with your homeopath.

Namaste,
Irene
--
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Shannon Nelson]

I think what she's describing is just exactly the usual procedure for
taking an LM--just one 8oz bottle, and each dose is taken (and diluted)
from there.

[Shannon Nelson]

On Oct 24, 2008, at 5:54 PM, Irene de Villiers wrote:
I've heard (occasionally) someone talk of taking an LM dose (the 1 tsp
that is usually put into at least one 4 oz dilution cup) straight from
the 8 oz bottle. At the time that sounded like heresy but I
suppose maybe the reason that is/was (was to me, anyway) taught as an
invariable part of the LM dosing procedure is that in the past--at
least in the circles I moved in--LMs were regarded as more-or-less only
for extra-sensitive patients.
Shannon

[Helen Tucker]

Yes, I understand now. Thank you. This is more or less what my homeopath says, that the succussions need to be in the original bottle. You gave more details in your explanation, which were very helpful and exactly what I was looking for.
Thanks again. Thanks too to everyone. All your insights help support my learning about these things.
Best,

Helen
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