ref books/Phatak

[tg.partington]

Does anyone have any views on the Phatak repertory? It was the first I
ever had and I know some people use it extensively. Never really got the
hang of it myself but would like to. I suppose it lends itself to a
CLAMS approach....? I got it before I started training and have
wondered if, properly taught, it could be a useful ref for non-
professionals too.
Theresa

[Michel Ramillon]

Dear Theresa,
Phatak's repertory is mostly based on C.M.Boger's A synoptic key to materia medica (repertory part of it) plus some additions by Phatak.
As a repertory for non professionals (and professionals !) I should rather recommend the latest repertory of Boger General Analysis. It is even smaller and more synthetic. Worthwile trying it. I bought a very playfull card repertory of it in german/english which I use sometimes for fun and in cases of extreme scarcity of symptoms.
Follow: http://www.liethpub.de/ and click on Lochkartei, a bit expansive 195 euros but great in a fine wooden box. The website is in german but you can contact Bernd von der Lieth by mail in english at mail@liethpub.de . You ask for the cards being sorted alphabetically in english.
Imagine you have an otitis media with red external ear (or red cheek or red face), tearing pain and nothing else..., which remedy will you give if you have only a couple of minutes to find a remedy and your computer is off ? You just pick the 3 cards EARS, REDNESS and TEARING PAINS, put them one upon another. Here the TPB would give too many remedies and is in fact not really appropriate.
card 1: EARS 18 holes

card 2: REDNESS 19 holes

cardd 3: TEARING PAINS 18 holes
Cards 1, 2 and 3 lying one upon another give 4 common holes through which light passes, so 4 remedies: BELL, CHAM, MERC, SULPH. We find here already Bell and Merc which are very usual in this condition. If one compare to Kent's repertory (Repertorium Generale version by J.Künzli) one find them also in the rubric
Ear - inflammation -media: bell, cham, merc, sulph among 35 remedies !
Boger was a real master and its lastest legacy must no be overlooked.
Michel Ramillon (France)
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Does anyone have any views on the Phatak repertory? It was the first I
ever had and I know some people use it extensively. Never really got the
hang of it myself but would like to. I suppose it lends itself to a
CLAMS approach.... ? I got it before I started training and have
wondered if, properly taught, it could be a useful ref for non-
professionals too.
Theresa

[Rosemary C. Hyde, Ph.D.]

Phatak's works are extremely helpful because he comes from a different
cultural milieu -- therefore different types of observations. I agree that
his repertory is hard to "get the hang of." There must somewhere be a list
of the order in which Phatak arranged his symptoms, the names of his
chapters, and the range of remedies he indexed. With those pieces of info,
it would be possible to understand the repertory and use it to best
advantage.

Rosemary

[Lynn Cremona]

Re Phatak's Repertory:
per it's Preface
All remedies are ones used in his practice or justified by Boger, Kent, or Clarke
Headings and their sub-rubrics, as well as pathological and physiological conditions are arranged in alphabetical order.

Re Phatak's MM:
It has been completely incorporated in to Vermeulen's Concordant MM

Phatak is wonderful for the conciseness of his descriptions.
This is a great place to go if the case centers on physical particulars, and is one of my favorite
references for looking up modalities and concomitant symptoms.

Lynn
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At 03:38 AM 10/3/2008, Theresa wrote:
Imagine Peace

[Robjna]

Hi Rosemary

If you open the Phatak repertory in Radar, and then either open the binoculars or the glasses, you can then see the layout of all the symptoms for each letter of the alphabet, which is the way the book is set out also. He explains why he did it alphabetically in the front of the book I think.

You can check the rems in EH that he has included in his Materia Medica – so i guess he is likely to have represented these ones in his repertory --- there appears to be almost 400.
Re EH crashing – I used to have that happen earlier on, but have not had too much of that lately. Although there are a few other problems I have found with the ‘Find’ facility – with some paramaters being incorrect. Mostly though I find it very useful and easy to use – in the past I used to use it for very complicated analyses, but less so for now as I just have not needed to, so maybe that is why – I also have put my own data into EH for searching, and as Michel mentioned it is rather complicated, however, once I got the hang of it, it happened a lot easier. If I had to do it again after a break of 3 years or so, I would likely be starting at the beginning, until the prior learning kicked in. But, once done, it is a great search engine and I use my own data almost more than the supplied library.
Don’t forget to download the free notes as they come in for Radar users, and I noticed that those that came just now have some helpful tips and info, on changes, Boenninghausen, etc........... and I am happy to say that after the latest update, my automatic updates are finally working for the first time – which saves a lot of time checking at Archibel site.
Hope all is well for you and your loved ones Rosemary.

In peace
Robyn
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Phatak's works are extremely helpful because he comes from a different
cultural milieu -- therefore different types of observations. I agree that
his repertory is hard to "get the hang of." There must somewhere be a list
of the order in which Phatak arranged his symptoms, the names of his
chapters, and the range of remedies he indexed. With those pieces of info,
it would be possible to understand the repertory and use it to best
advantage.

Rosemary

[Saeed Ch]

It can help find the similimum without huge repertories in ordinary routine cases.
Saeed Ch

[tg.partington]

Thank you everyone for your help with this. I will persist with it.
Unfortunately I do not have Phatak in my Radar package - can't think why
not as it must be a freeby and not that long. It would have helped me
learn but one of the attractions odf the book is that it is a portable,
cheap and reputable hard copy.
Boger I find even more confusing as the supplemental reference table is
as long as the rep - and what is where? I used the mat med for learning
purposes when a student, however. Very to the point.
Theresa

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routine cases.

[Michel Ramillon]

Dear Theresa,
I have Phatak's Repertory in my Radar, it calls Phatak S R., Concise Repertory (English) (PTK1-100) in the select repertory window after doing "File - open Repertory". I think I got it in a bundle of about 18 repertories at the time but it seems it is independant now. I do not use it as it may surely give at times the right remedy but is not a systematic system like the TPB. If lacking time I prefer using Boger's late work General Analysis (GA) which has according to my experience the best ratio effeciency/size. It is incredible how GA based on themes (I should say achetypes for connoisseurs...) can give the right remedy. The GA was meant to replace the Synoptic Key Repertory. A group of german homeopaths use it and think by it mostly even in chronic states. They have a website, forum and publish their journal, all in german:
Forum: http://www.boger-forum..de/phpbb/index.php

Journal: Boger Bote
Regards,
Michel Ramillon (France)
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Thank you everyone for your help with this. I will persist with it.
Unfortunately I do not have Phatak in my Radar package - can't think why
not as it must be a freeby and not that long. It would have helped me
learn but one of the attractions odf the book is that it is a portable,
cheap and reputable hard copy.
Boger I find even more confusing as the supplemental reference table is
as long as the rep - and what is where? I used the mat med for learning
purposes when a student, however. Very to the point.
Theresa

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routine cases.

[Ellen Madono]

Dear Theresa,
I am in Vietnam travelling without a computer now and am using Boger's General Analysis. Got both diarrhea and stung by a jelly fish all at the same time. Got the diarrhea from the Apis that I used on the sting??? Then used Boger. Tried Ars for the diarrhea. Didn't work. Tried sulph for the growing blisters. Got the Supher mind aggravation but no help for the blisters. What really worked was the hot water soaking of the blisters and eating despite the diarhhea. So Boger didn't help. But I am glad I had him. Sure wish he were more compact and better organized. I was working on theses problems without paper and sick. The book has an addendum to the rep. How confusing when you are sick!! I wish there were something better. But all is well. The hot water similum did the trick.!! Phatak is too big for travel. Too bad!!!!
Blessings,
Ellen

[tg.partington]

My, you are having a fun holiday!!
Not sure a book that doesn't help you find a good remedy is much use,
though. I don't know that one but it must be small if it's smaller
than Phatak.
Heat>heat seems quite common for stings etc. someone asked me about a
remedy for spider fish bites with that modality and i was interested
to see tarentula come up.
Hope the rest of your trip proves less educational and more enjoyable.
BW
Theresa
In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Ellen Madono" wrote:
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