Fear of the Invisible book on viruses & polio and AIDS and HIV

[Shannon Nelson]

The deaths began before the treatments did...

[Shannon Nelson]

He also, for many years (unless there's anotehr of the same name!),
hosted a late-night radio show that hosted flying saucer abductees. He
does bring out some interesting points of view, but how to sort the
wheat from the chaff...

[Shannon Nelson]

On Sep 10, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Sheri Nakken wrote:
? I miss your point.
There are certainly still people who have AIDS and are not being
treated, and others who do not seed out a doctor until they've had
serious symptoms. Not everyone has their blood monitored for
recreational purposes...

[healthinfo6]

http://www.actupny.org/reports/denialist_gary_null.html
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Sheri Nakken wrote:

[healthinfo6]

T-cells drop in all of us - was just reading some of the research of that.
Imagine you have a test and find low T-cells. They give you AIDS diagnosis. You start drugs
All for naught.
Oh, please! They give you an AIDS diagnosis when you have BOTH low CD4 cells AND are HIV positive. Intensive Q&A can figure out just how this happened. Unless your husband or boyfriend was on the "down low" having secret unprotected gay sex and then slept with you unprotected, most cases are not surprises. http://imagescdn.oprah.com/tows/pastsho ... 0416.jhtml

While initial HIV+ may asymptomatic, low T-cells would produce various symptoms depending on how low they go.

http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C283480.html

Low CD4 + T-cell counts (CD4 counts) are associated with a variety of conditions, including many viral infections, bacterial infections, parasitic infections, sepsis , tuberculosis , coccidioidomycosis , burns, trauma, intravenous injections of foreign proteins , malnutrition, over-exercising, pregnancy, normal daily variation, psychological stress, and social isolation

The low CD4 counts caused by some of these conditions often fall below 200 per cubic millimeter , which is the level needed to diagnose acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS ) in someone who was ***previously*** positive for antibodies to the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV-positive).

AIDS is not a casual diagnosis. You are not required by USA law to take AIDS drugs with an HIV+ diagnosis. If you wait, while asymptomatic and your T-cell level plummets, then you will get infections, some are serious ones requiring hospitalization. You don't have the time luxury of visiting a homeopath, naturopath, etc. for the severe ones.

What would you do if a new patient told you they were asymptomatic HIV+ but no other chronic illnesses or complaints? Other than a constitutional remedy, there are no symptoms to find rubrics for. Since you don't believe HIV causes anything, that's good for you. If, like myself and others, you believe HIV+ begins to kill off T-cells, there are many alternative/integrative/complementary methods to begin. Certainly classical homeopathy can provide prophylaxis for those who believe HIV+ begins to cause damage asymptomatically. Homeopathic HGH (human growth hormone) is a product used but not from a classical viewpoint.

Like vaccinations, learn all you can and make your own informed choice.

Susan
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Sheri Nakken wrote:

[Irene de Villiers]

No, that is all stories Sheri.
And are you going to accuse cats (domestic and wild) and Simian
monkeys in the wild, of drug use and toxic exposure too then?
Crazy book with no credibility - and I do not even need to read it to
know that.
The research and facts observed are enough.

Not only is HIV infectious, but so are the other two AIDS viruses on
the planet, namely FIV (Feline Immunodeficiency Virus) and Simian
monkey Immunodeficiency Virus (SIV). So far, those are the only three
A.I.D.S. viruses - unless you count the different clades of each.
(Clades are sub-varieties of the virus with slightly different genes
and effects, but which only infect the same species).

HIV is relatively new on the planet, but SIV has been around a lot
longer and FIV has been around the longest, and is the original virus.
Lentivirus/retrovirus (the category in which HIV, FIV and SIV fall)
does not normally jump species at all so humans do not get infected
by FIV or SIV - but at some point there was obviously a mutation to
allow FIV to mutate to Simian monkeys - and the HIV mutation is even
more recent.
FIV virus has been identified in the blood sera of domestic and wild
cats as far back in history as we have any sera. (The oldest is in
Australia for some reason).

The idea of a lion and a tiger sitting around a campfire, shooting up
some drugs in the wild, is ludicrous, but would have to be valid to
follow the wild ideas in the suggested book. Domestic cats also get
FIV, and it is transmitted from cat to cat - or it can be introduced
in the lab for research purposes. There has been extensive "AIDS"
research for many decades using cats, as it is always hoped that if
FIV can be beaten in cats, it will lead to a way to help humans with
HIV. The virus for research purposes, is cultured in cell lines and
introduced into lab cats who then get FIV disease. There was hope of
developing a vaccine against HIV this way. (Poor cats).

In my own homeopathy work, I especially concentrate on the
immunodeficiency illnesses, which includes FIV. There is NO
transmission of FIV in any closed group of cats, regardless what
drugs or toxins are used on them. The virus has to be either injected
experimentally, or obtained from another FIV-infected cat so the
virus can go from from saliva to blood. (In cats it is transmitted
during fights, usually saliva of one cat biting the ear of another
and it gets into the blood that way. It is almost never transmitted
sexually in cats.)

So forget the silly stories about "fear of invisible". Viruses are
not invisible and they are infective if one is not resistant to that
infection.
....which provides zero credentials to know the first thing about a
virus and lots of credentials to say something sensationalistic to
make money. Don't be fooled.

It's this kind of nonsense that makes me think that homeopaths need a
much wider education than is currently considered sufficient. A
modicum of knowledge about bacteria and viruses and micro-organisms
in general would prevent all this nonsense from doing the rounds.
We'd not like anyone making fun of homeopathy in such an obviously
flawed way - but we are supposed to be taken in by such wild
imagination???

What'shername did not bother do her research even, as a reporter.
That says a lot. Zero attention to details in an area that is all
about the details. For example she claims a "chimpanzee" virus
mutated as the origin of HIV. There never has been a Chinpanzee with
AIDS. It is only Simian monkeys - who are not chimpanzees - that can
get SIV. Her theory is completely based on polio vaccine supposedly
injected into in chimp brains - so it all falls apart right at the
start.
In any case - how the virus mutated from SIV to HIV is irrelevant.
The point is that we have it now, and need to deal with it -
realitically.
She goes on to talk absolute nonsense on genetics. She claims the
viral DNA is incorporated into human DNA - that's ridiculous and not
possible. Pity she did not attend something more than a quick seminar
on "virology", it's hardly a small subject and it's obvious she got
the basics completely wrong and the rest is "grown fiction" on those
basics!

She also goes in square circles trying to allocatye her basic
thinking on what she believes is virology, to articles here and there
- no real research - just some opinions - and further assumed that
those unsubstantiated statements have any merit. In any case she
misapplied them. For example - She added a casual comment made by
someone about RT (reverse transcriptase enzyme) which had nothing to
do with the topic - to her incorrect virology understanding to come
up with a conclusion that is pure science fiction.

I'll not waste more time......
All her nonsense is summarized here:
http://www.rethinkingaids.com/portals/0 ... ary/Janine%
20Roberts%20-%20HIVgate.pdf
Do NOT send good money to buy more of this nonsense.

It needs to be categorized under science fiction.
And no disrespect Sheri - but YOU need a course in virology so you
can see through this clearly nonsense work.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[healthinfo6]

Oh, I'm so relieved that cat FIV and human HIV can't cross over!





Susan
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Irene de Villiers wrote:

[johndoo8]

Irene,

I am not sure if you are aware of that science has only explained 5%
of the human DNA. The remaining 95% of the human genome is labeled
as Junk DNA; because science does not know what are those DNA for.

Is that possible that more truth about human life could be found in
that 95% than the 5%? I would keep my mind wide open.

By the way, of that Junk DNA at least 8% of the human genome has
shown to be formed by retrotransposons of Retroviruses. So, the
reporter might know something after all. I have not read that book,
now I am getting curious after you describe it.
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[Luise Kunkle]

Hi Irene,

Thank you - you have expressed exactly my opinion in a manner that I
could not have done.

Just one question to your statementShe goes on to talk absolute
nonsense on genetics. She claims the
not possible.:

I have read in a source I consider credible (matter of fact it was
Suriya) that this is possible (unless I misunderstood her - which IS
possible). It appears to be the base on which Ardavan sees the
perceived fact that viral miasms can be inherited.

Regards

Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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[Irene de Villiers]

The opposite is possible - the virus can copy some DNA from the cell
being invaded, and make use of it by adding it to its own viral DNA.
In fact this is the mechanism of feline leukaemia type A for example
- the virus causes leukaemia directly, but when it replicates it also
swipes part of the feline genome which when added to the virus
genome, codes for lymphoma.

The article Sheri cited claims the entire viral genome is
incorporated in the DNA and that is not possible.

What else is possible I do not know. Some discussions:

Suriya may be talking about a small piece of DNA that codes fro
something specific like a protein? I did not see what she wrote.
I do not know of such a thing.

Viral DNA is very big - 10,000 base pairs - so I can not buy that the
entire viral genome would ever be incorporated into the host cell. It
would change the function of the host cell if it did, into a mishmash
of viral activity and prior activity. So I do not buy "the viral
genome added to the DNA" as Sheri's author claims. I think it was the
author's lack of understanding of how the virus DNA lines up with and
uses cell DNA *mechanism* for making copies.

If we are looking for a miasm mechanism:

In a resistant individual the virus can NOT use the DNA to reproduce
itself.
I do not know why that is at a chemical level from any research - but
I suspect it is to do with what genes are physically accessible - how
methylated or acetylated they are and how close they are physically
to the joined aresa between two legs of a chromosome.

We DO know that genes can be switched on or off by any number of
outside influences including diet. (The mechanisms are methylation of
a gene or acetylation of a gene. The idea is that a gene can be
switched on (accessible for use) or not, by these processes. Whether
viruses can acetylate/methylate genes i do not know. Depends whether
they have the chemistry to do it?
But that would be separate from incorporating their DNA into the cell
- as in gene splicing.

I suspect methylation/acetylation of genes is how miasms get
started (rather than gene splicing) and it is also how miasms get
removed by homeopathy. Allopathic research shows diet of the
grandmother in utero - affects the chronic diseases of the
granddaughter. Same on the male side except one is beneficial change
and hte other is detrimental change. The point is that there is a
known inherited "something or other" (that allopathy has now proved
beyond doubt) and which is acquired by a prior generation (usually at
least 2 prior it seems) and passed down, and which affects chronic
diseases in those later generations.

Splicing does not make sense to me as a miasm mechanism as it does
not affect all cells including sex cells.
Methylatikon/acetylatioon does affect the body systemically so would
affect ALL cells incloouding sex cells, and thus be heritable.

Another aspect that may be relevant somewhere:
Genes are on chromosomes that look like a pair of long wiggly legs
joined somewhere along their length. At that join the legs are held
so close together that access to genes "in the crack" for use in any
way - so as to copy the DNA for a protein to make that protein (or I
surmise for access to use it for viral replication) is impossible. So
sometimes that join is strong and excludes some genes and sometimes
not. That's another way genes can be switched on/off.

This is a new area of research called epigenetics - in which one
studies how genes are switched on or off. The latest research I saw
shows how genes can be affected in one generation (being switched on
or off by outside influences especially nurtrition was mentioned) and
then the result shows up only 2 generations later, and from then
onwards, as chronic disease susceptibility.

I have not seen anything about a virus inserting DNA into the cell
DNA. This would require ability to chop out a piece (of itself??).
in addition the only cells that pass down DNA to offspring are the
sex cells. So THEY would have to be involved - not as in HIV, the
blood cells. Each virus has a type of cell they have the envelope
protein to enter. They can and do not affect all cells.
So I am having a hard time seeing a mechanism by which viral DNA can
be inserted without scrambling the cell protein activity coding, much
less getting to sex cells and being viable for combination with
another sex cell so as to be heritable.

So personally I would find a mechanism for miasms far more credible
if it had more to do with nutrition, methylation or acetylation (as
that affects ALL the cells and their gene on/off status, including
sex cells). I'd also think a methyation/acetylation trigger (to
switch on or off) could MAYBE (no evidenece or proof I know of) come
from a virus. It would be a small piece of DNA - but it would not
need to be in the genome DNA - it can be extra nuclear DNA or
mitochondrial DNA. I do not think we can prove at this point, whether
that the main chromosomal DNA is the miasm carrier:-)

We do know a virus does this:
To replicate requires aligning with the DNA to be borrowed in order
to use it like a photocopy machine to make a copy. The DNA is thus
copied (using some cell proteins to "run" the copy machine so to
speak) - but the DNA is not affected directly. So the virus
replication occurs inside the cell nucleus but does not add/'subtract
cell DNA, just copies it.

I personally have not seen research where a virus splices genes into
cell DNA.
Except fro a small specific protein I'd find it hard to even imagine.
And see no use for that except to change the local activity of the
cell so affected.

For me, the money for miasms is on epigenetics, not DNA splicing.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."