Genus Epidemicus anyone?

McPhee Family · Post by **McPhee Family** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:59 am

Hello,
I have had a string of flus this week and last, seemingly effecting middle age men the worst, children just get small cold symptoms with sore throat. Anyone seeing this and any ideas? *Nothing* seems to touch it.
Starts with headache, achey joints and dry, tickling cough that turns hard and hacking. Blasting headache worse coughing. Fever with chills. Thirst for cold water. Sore throat usually by 3rd day, definitely worse swallowing, sharp pain. Then it turns to the chest with constriction, coughing up green/yellow mucus in lumps. One gentleman was even diagnosed with varicella pneumonia but I'm not sure the diagnosis was accurate as the pox never left the trunk and never crusted (more like raised red dots). He did have the white coated tongue along with the other symptoms and responded to Ant-Crud, Ant-Tart, and Rhus Tox somewhat but nothing "stuck." He's on his 3rd week with this thing! Others it's been about 1-2 weeks.
I'd love to get a handle on it. I've tried the usuals - Bryonia, Calc-C, Lach (seemed to help the most), Drosera helps in the beginning (lots of rains in their part), Phos, Eup, Gels, Belladonna. Seems like things help for a tiny bit and then nothing. Oscillo helps for the 1st 3 days until the throat sets in.
Thanks!
Truly,
Erica

Rosemary C. Hyde, Ph.D. · Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:36 am

Hi, Erica.
Hmmm... Interesting!
With the sharp throat pain, the purulent expectoration, and the chills, you might want to consider Hepar-sulph??
It's one of several remedies that comes through this brief analysis with fairly large rubrics:

HEAD - PAIN - cough - during - agg. - bursting pain
THROAT - PAIN - swallowing - agg.
GENERALS - FOOD and DRINKS - cold drink, cold water - desire
EXPECTORATION - phenomena - lumpy
Merc and Lach, which one would also think of with this kind of picture, are not present in one of the rubrics. Any time modalities? Where is the head pain? These are questions that might narrow down the choices more. But Hepar is certainly one remedy that resembles this situation.

Good luck!! Rosemary

McPhee Family · Post by **McPhee Family** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:14 pm

Thanks Rosemary and other responses,
We tried Hepar Sulph, Merc, and Lach. Lach had the best effect strangely enough. This is a bad flu/pneumonia. I now have my 5th person with it in ME (2 in AL). It seems to pull out past viruses - i.e. varicella and herpes. But the mucuos is thick, green and yellow. Very sick and lasting for 2-4 weeks.
Still haven't found the "one" except if started early enough Phos seems to amel somewhat.
Thanks again.
Truly,
Erica

Gail Allen · Post by **Gail Allen** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:42 pm

Not sure if it's related to what you describe, but the last flu here a couple of months ago, with my daughter I needed to go back to the acute remedy which had fixed her glandular fever and once that was out of the way Kali Bich finished it off.
It was odd because I picked Kali Bich to start and it didn't touch it, she just slipped back into her acute glandular fever picture from a year earlier. It felt like the Kali Bich thing went into hiding, because once the glands were done and she was back on her feet the thick sticky mucous from the earlier picture was the most prominant symptom and the Kali Bich worked.
Sorry if that sounds confusing but the thing about it pulling out past viruses seemed to make sense. It felt different to when she has had relapses of the glandular fever which have been resovled fairly quickly with a chronic remedy and not needed the return to the acute remedy.
Gail.
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Thanks Rosemary and other responses,
We tried Hepar Sulph, Merc, and Lach. Lach had the best effect strangely enough. This is a bad flu/pneumonia. I now have my 5th person with it in ME (2 in AL). It seems to pull out past viruses - i.e. varicella and herpes. But the mucuos is thick, green and yellow. Very sick and lasting for 2-4 weeks.
Still haven't found the "one" except if started early enough Phos seems to amel somewhat.
Thanks again.
Truly,
Erica
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McPhee Family · Post by **McPhee Family** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:24 am

I have now seen 4 people with this same cold. The chosen remedies have ameliorated but I feel like I am missing "the one."
Symptoms:
- key symptom: hacking cough generated from tickling in the larynx/trachea/chest area which creates moderate to severe stitching pain in the back of the neck (cervical/trapezius area);
- stiffness/muscle soreness cervical area;
- heaviness in chest;
- cold symptoms, profuse runny nose alternating with blocked sinuses: "feel like I need to blow my nose but nothing comes out" alt with constant running;
- all clear discharge; irritates the nose;
- frequent, sometimes violent sneezing paroxysms;
- eyes burning but no lachrymation (eye burning seems to come later - about day 3/4);
- perspiring just on the nose (in one);
- no sore throat; no fever; no thirst or lack thereof; normal appetite;
- overall fatigue/exhaustion;
- symptoms are slow coming on, come and go.
Started with Phos in 2 (both had the pain in back from tickling cough) , Bryonia in other 2 (because one had burning in the orbits of eyes and the other was very irritable/better not moving). The first case then went to Kali Bich, then Allium Cepa. Second case now on Kali Bich. Clearly I didn't quite hit it because symptoms are at first definitely ameliorated and then return...
Anyone else seeing this and/or have any thoughts?
Thanks!
Truly,
Erica

Joy Lucas · Post by **Joy Lucas** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:47 am

Erica, have you looked at Stannum. This is the first rx that comes to my mind. will give it further thought later on though (unles you think Stannum could match)

Joy

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Dale Moss · Post by **Dale Moss** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 2:50 pm

Sounds similar to something I treated a few weeks ago. You might look at Nux-v.
Peace,
Dale

McPhee Family · Post by **McPhee Family** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:24 pm

Thanks Joy and Dale,
I will look at both of those. I had thought of Nux-V because it does seem to be slow coming on and slow leaving. I hadn't thought of Stannum but thank you for mentioning that because it also reminded me for another case of depression in a woman who can't stop crying.
Truly,
Erica

jill1313 · Post by **jill1313** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:01 pm

There was some talk about this on the list last winter--when I got that same cough. It was going around. It was the most bizarre cough I ever had, as a neighbor got it too (a nurse) and she said resentfully "This cough is irrational." It had a severe tickle and was endless hacking.

I took rumex crispus. 30c helped but 200c was needed. (I also took colostrum with transfer factor).

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Luise Kunkle · Post by **Luise Kunkle** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:13 pm

Hi Erica,
This is srp indeed.

It would suggest that this "cold" also affects the muscles, possibly
but not necessarily only or most strongly those of the neck/shoulders.

So the remedy IMO should have these symptoms as its own key-note,
together with (secondary perhaps) the runny nose etc.

It would, of course, be nice if it also had the sweat on the nose.

Or even one might try and prescribe just on that, since it is perhaps
even more srp.

Before you flame: I have outed myself before that I do prescribe on
keynotes and sometimes even on one keynote only. I also know thy I do
it - it matches my theory of the action of homeopathy and on what
symptoms mean or do not mean.

So I may be heretic - I am not lazy:-)

Regards

Luise
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