Remedy-making machines (Gimpy)

[Christine Wyndham-Thomas]

Oh dear, look at what's been posted.........
http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/07/ ... -movement/
Christine

[Luise Kunkle]

Hi Soroush,
I bet there is the same kind of article somewhere around making fun of
our conventional way of making the remedy.

If not, I could make one up on the spot.

Let's face it - the only thing we have been going for us is the fact
that the remedies work.

And if the "suli" remedies work they have the same identical thing
going for them.

Regards

Luise
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So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Well there you go - what was I saying??
Soroush

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Subject: [Minutus] Remedy-making machines (Gimpy)
Oh dear, look at what's been posted.........
http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/07/ ... -movement/
Christine

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[Rochelle]

I suggest that no one even thinks of commenting on it in the Reply section and then it will just fizzle away!!
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

[Shannon Nelson]

There's already a lively hoot-session going in the Reply session,
between Gimpy and his acolytes. Celebrating how wise and clever they
(think they) are.

[Sue Boyle]

Lou Klein's feeling on the hate blogs, is to answer with positive comments but never give out your real email address. He feels that the hate and fear need to be sort of balanced by positive comments.

Sue

I posted on this one as well as some others.

[rogermassey_homeo]

by the way I saw this comment in the Gimpy's site.

What is wrong with the conclusion, some one please explain:

This is the comment:
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Dr* T Says:
July 13, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Excellent machine. All you need to do is combine it with Homeopathy
Pro 2008 which will tell you what remedy to give someone with a
certain set of conditions, then get your candy floss maker to pop
out the pills.

Soon, there will be no need for human contact - you will be able to
use the system like an ATM…..

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I think this above said Dr* T was generous. Since the abovesaid
machine can also diagnose and choose the medicine, should this alone
be not enough? Why waste money on a computer program?
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Sue Boyle wrote:
that
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[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Roger,

I'm not familiar with Homeopathy Pro, so I googled, and from the
website description, it appears to be similar to MacRep and Radar:
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Quote:

Homeopathy Pro combines the advantages of time-proved case taking
methods with advanced features of up-to-the-minute software. In other
words, now you can work EXACTLY as old masters did - only much faster
and without any paperwork!

• Take case notes in a friendly, convenient environment.
• Enjoy most natural repertory search.
• Get correct results from repertorization books by recognized authors.
• Read various ?ateria Medica sources to feel confident about your
prescription.
• Save time and preserve quality of your work.

End quote
-----------------

In other words his comment of "all you need to do" is just as ignorant
and misinformed as most of Gimpy et al.'s conclusions. The computer
will only "tell you what remedy to give" after you have taken the case,
analyzed the case, chosen appropriate rubrics, weighted them
appropriately, and then done differential comparison of the remedies
suggested by that search, hopefully in conjunction with materia medica
study. In other words, after you've performed the normal homeopathic
work-up. Like all of the other software programs that various people
here are using, it in no way *replaces* the homeopath, it simply
reduces paper-shuffling and speeds up the process.

Or so I gather from the website description. Did I miss something?

What was the machine said to "diagnose and choose the medicine"? I
don't recall reading that. Actually, why not send me that information
privately. Why give whatsisname yet more misguided missiles to sling
at us...

Shannon

[rogermassey_homeo]

That comment was not just specific to HomeoPro- what it means is -
with a machine to diagnose what remedy is needed (using whatever
homeo software it is) and another to make whatever that remedy that
is needed - it is possible to commoditize the whole process... any
one of these machines could make as good a prescription as any
common run of the mill homeopath, and combine it with this remedy
maker -

you got a hot handbag homeopath..
And if you throw in the diagnostic machine that diagnoses using
hair, body fluids or even photographs and use remedy maker in
combination, why need case analysis?

In fact I could very easily imagine having Homeo booths like the BP
monitors in Rite Aid and other pharmacies-

" Insert your arm here and inflate the homeo cuff, it will sense
the energy pattern using the hair on your arms or the sweat there (
may be the best technique could be leaving a thumb impression on the
machine's ultra sensitive Simillimum Sensor) and in 5 minutes rolls
out your medicine in the right potency... it is guaranteed to root
out your psoric rot"

Levity apart - there is some validity in that comment of Dr.* T
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[Shannon Nelson]

If someone gets it to that point--where you can use it like an ATM and
get dramatic, effective healing--I for one think it would be marvelous!

And the (in the US) FDA, AMA and some other medical interests would no
doubt go to *any* lengths to eradicate it--as many say has already been
done numerous times with other "too-effective" therapies.

Is it possible that these machines do what's claimed? I have no idea.
I have no experience with any of these except the aforementioned
homeopathic software.

It (referring to a machine that can diagnose an perform treatment in a
single, automatic step) would be, very arguably, "not homeopathy" in
either the legal or the Hahnemannian sense, and would need to be
validated or disproved entirely separately from anything that applies
to us here. Personally I would LOVE to see this done, however, in the
present state of things, I can't imagine how that would happen. Even
if successful tests are run, the naysayers will either not (a) not read
about the trials at all ("It can't be true, therefore I won't bother to
look at the evidence"), or (b) even if reading apparently well done
work, will not *believe* any successful trials ("It can't be true, so
it isn't." Galileo learned all about that form of "science."), or (c)
will decide the studies are irrelevant because the practice / method
needs to be shut down for other (e.g. economic or political) reasons
("too successful" or unsuccessful--really it would make no difference
at all to this group, as our past experience here with Gimpy has so
glowingly illustrated, speaking of casting pearls before swine. Can
you tell this guy has got my goat? Sigh...)

Probably our best bet under the circumstances is to simply note that,
regardless of the (I would say inappropriate) usage of the word
"homeopathy" in the product description, it is not homeopathy (where's
the HPUS-and-Hahnemann defined "homeopathic remedy"? Where are the
provings? Where's the "symptom correspondence", like-cures-like,
minimum dose, or any of it?).

Do the machines work? In a better world there would be mechanisms in
place to *test* them, run by people with zero vested interest except in
the *truth*. Probably a rotating group of randomly selected people
would be a great idea, to make it harder for vested interests to poison
the process.

Shannon