After having heard so much about the benefits of wet doses, I've been trying
them more often recently (especially to try to gain the benefits of adding
potency between doses by succussing). And in my experience thus far, they
just don't seem to work as well. When I take a dry pellet, I can tell
*immediately* if it is going to work or not--there's a surge of energy or
something...hard to describe. With wet doses, I feel like I'm just drinking
water.
On the other hand, when we tried some sequential therapy with my daughter
for her seizures, with doses in water, we managed to provoke some
spectacular aggravations. So obviously the dose in water was doing
*something.*
I can see where doses in water would be almost essential for someone with a
really high sensitivity to the least exposure to anything, but for myself,
I'd prefer to have the assurance that I get from dry doses.
YMMV
Cee
Dry vs. Wet
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Sheri Nakken
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Re: Dry vs. Wet
At 03:25 PM 6/27/2008, you wrote:
Well, you can do what you want, of course
The remedy is in the water same as it is dry in your mouth
It is there - just because in water doesn't mean it disappears
Much more controllable in water
Your experience is your experience. But I'm basing mine on Hahnemann's teachings and my own experience with patients.
I was cured of migraines in 2 months time with LM water potency
I used water potencies with my patients and my family and my self for minor acutes, first aid and chronic cases. I don't have the same experience as you. I used mainly 200C for minor acutes and first aid and sometimes 1M depending on the strength of the disease. With chronic situations depends much on the sensitivity of the individual - from 6C to 12C to 30C to LM's, primarily
And Hahmemann had far more experience than most of us.
"Aphorism 247
Aphorism 247 explains why one needs to use the medicinal solution that is succussed prior to administration and given it in split-doses. He gives the reasons why it is difficult to speed the cure with the unmodified dry dose or unadjusted liquid dose. Then Hahnemann says:
"But if the succeeding dose is changed slightly every time, namely potentized somewhat higher (pp. 269-270) then the vital principle may be altered without difficulty by the same medicine (the sensation of natural disease diminishing) and thus the cure brought nearer"."
Here is what Hahnemann says with David Little's additions
Here is info that references Hahnemann's writings in 5th and 6th edition of the Organon (the book he wrote explaining how to practice homeopathy based on his experimentation and experience)
He refers to LM's here which were discovered and written of in the 6th edition (water potencies)
The 5th edition refers to the C potency remedies being used in water also (these are the potencies you would buy for your own use)
You can't increase the potency of subsequent doses that you will be giving for minor acutes and first aid unless they are in water and you can succuss them before each new dose - this is a hard downward motion with the bottle (like a judge with a gavel). Each new dose is succussed to raise the potency slightly. The VF does better with different potencies, instead of repeating a dry pill. You can't change the potency unless give it in water.
The older 4th edition method used dry potencies and he revised this as his life and work went on.
The below if from David Little, homeopath
Dear students and colleagues,
The ghost of the mechanism continues to appear in the minds of some persons. There are still too many persons that teach one can give the LM potency daily for months in a mechanical fashion to every patient no matter what the reaction the remedy produces. I have responded to this myth in another medium so I thought I would share the post here. I bet some of you are tried of hearing this from me! Nevertheless, there may be some parties that have not read these details before. The following document is based on Hahnemann's teachings contained in aphorism 246, 247 and 248 as translated by W. Beoricke..
Aphorism 246
"Every perceptible progressive and strikingly increasing amelioration during treatment is a condition which, as long as it lasts, completely precludes every repetition of the administration of any medicine whatsoever, because all the good the medicine taken continues to effect is now hastening towards its completion."
1. Hahnemann clearly says that when there is a "perceptibly progressive and strikingly increasing amelioration" is a condition that "COMPLETELY PRECLUDES" any "REPETITION" of the remedy whatsoever. This is because the good effect of the remedy is now "hastening" towards its completion. Although single dose and infrequent dose cures are not the majority of chronic cases but they do take place in a significant minority. This is more often in very sensitive patients, in functional diseases and in the early states of pathology. There are occasions, however, where advanced pathological states of several years duration is cured by single doses or infrequent repetitions of the LM potency. Under these condition the repetition of the remedy is counter indicated because the remedy is already heading for cure very quickly and the repetition of the remedy under these conditions runs the risk of slowing down the cure and causing aggravations and antagonistic counter actions of the vital force. When their is a dramatically increasing amelioration it is always best to leave well enough alone!
"This is not infrequently the case in acute diseases, but in more chronic diseases, on the other hand, a single dose of an appropriately selected Homoeopathic remedy will at times complete even with but slowly progressive improvement and give the help which such a remedy in such a case can accomplish naturally within 40, 50, 60, 100 days."
2. Single dose cures are often the case in acute diseases but in chronic diseases a single dose usually only produces a "slowly progressive improvement" that will accomplish what it can naturally within 40, 50, 60, 100 days. This is, however, but rarely the case; and besides, it must be a matter of great importance to the physician as well as to the patient that were it possible, this period should be diminished to one-half, one-quarter, and even still less, so that a much more rapid cure might be obtained."
There is a great difference between a "strikingly increasing amelioration" and a "slowly progressive improvement". Hahnemann makes it clear that "anytime" during treatment there is a strikingly increasing amelioration. the remedy should be stopped as long as this lasts. This case be caused by a single dose, short series of split-doses or after the remedy has been repeated for some time. Hahnemann then takes up the discussion of cases in which a single dose can only cause a "slowly progressive improvement" that may take up to 100 days to show any significant improvement. Under these conditions the remedy should be repeated at suitable intervals to speed the cure to 1/2, 1/4 or less the time it would take with the exclusive single dose wait and watch method. When using the 4th Organon dry dose method the remedy can not be repeat until the duration of the remedy ceases and the patient relapses.
4. Now Hahnemann offers five conditions that must be met to speed the cure of slowly progressing cases.
a. The remedy must be "perfectly homeopathic".
b. It must be highly potentized.
c. It must be dissolved in water.
d. It must be given in a proper small dose.
e. It must be repeated in definite intervals that experience has taught the most suitable.
If the remedy is NOT perfectly homeopathic one best not repeat it. How can you tell if the remedy is perfectly homeopathic if you don't carefully test it at the start of treatment. The Paris casebooks show that it was Hahnemann practice to give either a single dose (usually by olfaction) or short series of 3 to 7 doses over a period of a week and had the patient come back in 7 days. He never sent anyone off for 1 month at the start of a case with a preconceived remedy schedule. He always checked his remedy very carefully at the start of treatment to make sure it was not the wrong remedy or a partial simillimum. Everything that Hahnemann says in aphorism 247 and 248 about speeding the cure is conditioned by his statements in aphorism 246.
Aphorism 247
Aphorism 247 explains why one needs to use the medicinal solution that is succussed prior to administration and given it in split-doses. He gives the reasons why it is difficult to speed the cure with the unmodified dry dose or unadjusted liquid dose. Then Hahnemann says:
"But if the succeeding dose is changed slightly every time, namely potentized somewhat higher (pp. 269-270) then the vital principle may be altered without difficulty by the same medicine (the sensation of natural disease diminishing) and thus the cure brought nearer".
Aphorism 248
Aphorism 248 continues the theme that started in aphorism 246 where Hahnemann taught when the single dose wait and watch method is appropriate (in perceptively progressive and strikingly increasing ameliorations) and where one should repeat the remedy at suitable intervals (case where a single dose can only cause slowly progressive improvement). Aphorism 248 follows on the discussion of the five conditions for speeding the cure and the need to adjust each dose so that patient never receives the exact same potency twice in succession.
"For this purpose, we potentize anew the medicinal solution (with perhaps 8, 10, 12 succussions) from which we give the patient one or (increasingly) several teaspoonful doses, in long lasting diseases daily or every second day, in acute diseases every two to six hours and in very urgent cases every hour or oftener.
The "purpose" Hahnemann is speaking about how to adjust the potency when repeating the remedy to speed the cure of cases that would only slowly improve on a single dose or infrequent repetitions. This includes BOTH acute and chronic diseases. For this purpose we potentize anew the medicinal solution prior to the administration of each dose so that patient never receives the exact same potency twice in succession. Then Hahnemann offers a method for treating for long lasting protracted diseases where a single dose can only produces a slow progressive improvement over 30 to 100 days at best and even this is rarely the case. it is more common for the patient to relapse calling for repeated doses. Aphorism 248 teaches how to speed the cure of resistant cases to 1/2, 1/4 or less the time it takes with the exclusive single dose wait and watch method.
In protracted cases, the remedy may be repeated daily or on alternated days if necessary as long as there are no aggravations or new symptoms. It must also be noted that in sentence 1 of aphorism 246 Hahnemann says every strikingly increasing amelioration "during treatment" is a state that "precludes" the repetition of the remedy as long as it lasts. This means that anytime during a series of split-doses there appears a dramatic increasing amelioration the remedy should be stopped as long as this state lasts. If one stops the remedy under these three conditions (aggravation, new symptoms, dramatic increasing amelioration) over medication can be avoided while the cure greatly speeded.
Hahnemann noted in aphorism 246 that acute diseases are often cured by a single dose. When he speaks about giving the acute remedy every 6 hours or less it means in resistant acute disorders that can not be cured by a single dose. The same conditions apply. There is no need to repeat the dose when there is a strikingly increasing amelioration in acute diseases any more than in a chronic diseases. All the conditions discussed in the aphorism 246 condition all the statement that follow in aphorism 248. If one ignores the first sentence of aphorism 246 they leave out 1/2 of Hahnemann's case management strategies that deals with strikingly increasing ameliorations.
In the footnote to aphorism 246 Hahnemann says one can give the remedy daily "WHEN NECESSARY". This same when necessary applies to the statements on the daily dose in aphorism 248! It is amazing some persons can completely ignore or change the meaning of everything Hahnemann says in aphorism 246 and its footnote. Then they say Hahnemann only taught that one should give everyone the remedy daily or on alternate days in chronic diseases and every 6 hours or less in acute diseases no matter what. This type selective amnesia takes a few words out of context with the rest of the text and ignores hundreds of words that explain Hahnemann's complete posology and case management strategy in detail. To say Hahnemann said always give the daily dose for months and forget the "when necessary" a grand misnomer that puts the patient in danger.
It is very difficult to learn how to use the LM potency properly just by reading the 6th Organon. There was supposed to be a living lineage of teachers that could clarify the points and add oral teachings that are not contained in the 6th edition. Hahnemann was teaching Boenninghausen about the LM method when he died. Melaine Hahnemann asked Boenninghausen not to speak about the new methods in pubic until after she published the 6th Organon. Unfortunately, this task was not accomplished before the Baron and Melaine passed away. By the time the 6th edition was published in 1920 all those with personal knowledge of the LM potency had died. This makes it extremely difficult to put the entire LM method into perspective without studying the Paris casebooks, the testimony of those with inside information, and the eyewitness accounts of those who witnessed Hahnemann's practice between1838 to 1843.
Hahnemann shared LM cases with Beonninghausen as he hoped the Baron would someday pass on his teachings on the new method. These cases showed how Hahnemann actually gave the LM potency in the clinic. This information was complemented by the eyewitness account of Dr. Croserio, who worked closely with Hahnemann in his last years. Dr. Croserio's letter to Beonninghausen IHahnemann's Doses of Medicine, Lesser Writing, Boenninghausen) shows that the Founder often gave single doses (usually by olfaction) followed by at least one week of placebos while he waited and watched. The Paris casebooks confirm that Hahnemann used this method quite often in the 1840s. This proves that Hahnemann did NOT always give the daily and alternate day dose to every patient. He often used single doses usually by olfaction but not always.
Dr. Croserio's letter clearly points out that; "Even in acute diseases it was a rare case to see him [Hahnemann] allow the patient to take more than one spoonful in 24 hours". Dr.Croserio's eyewitness account proves that Hahnemann did not always use the daily or alternate day dose or give acute remedies every 6 hours or less. The rapid repetition of the remedy was specific for the treatment of resistant acute and chronic disorders. In aphorism 246 Hahnemann clearly states that acute diseases often are cured by single doses in a striking manner! If one gives the remedy every 6 hours in a mechanical fashion i n these cases the outcome would be aggravations, accessory symptoms and antagonistic counter actions of the vital force.
Dr. Croserio also noted that anytime during treatment Hahnemann observed strong medicinal actions he would reduce the dose or stop the doses and give placebos while he waited and watched. This method has also been confirmed by a study of the Paris casebooks. Hahnemann did not speak about how much placebo he was using in the 1840s in the 6th Organon. That would have alerted the general public to the fact that he was using almost as much milk sugar in water as active medicine. The Founder rarely gave the daily or alternate days dose for very long without placing the patient on placebos for one or more weeks. I have not see one case in the entire Paris casebooks where Hahnemann gave the daily or alternated day dose from months on end without stopping the medicine and given 1, 2 even 3 weeks of placebo. Hahnemann constantly used this "On again - off again" method throughout his treatment. The idea that Hahnemann always gave the daily dose or alternate day dose for months is a complete complete myth.
I have not written this discourse with the idea of proving a point to a single party. I have written this post for the benefit of the Homoeopathic community at large and for the good of their patients. The first Hippocratic maxim is "Do no harm". Homeopathy is a very safe system when one follows the basic checks and balances introduced by Samuel Hahnemann. The biggest danger inherent in homeopathy is from over medication with potentized remedies. This can cause remedy induced symptoms, medical diseases, and antagonistic counter actions of the vital force. These conditions can become very serious if the over medication is excessive. None of this has to happen if one follows all the principles elucidated in aphorism 246, 247 and 248 in a careful manner. If one just takes one or two words out of context and ignores the rest they take the law in to their own hands and are personally responsible for any suffering they cause.
Simila Minimus
Sincerely, David Little
---------------
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."
Samuel Hahnemann
Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
Academy at
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2000
Well, you can do what you want, of course
The remedy is in the water same as it is dry in your mouth
It is there - just because in water doesn't mean it disappears
Much more controllable in water
Your experience is your experience. But I'm basing mine on Hahnemann's teachings and my own experience with patients.
I was cured of migraines in 2 months time with LM water potency
I used water potencies with my patients and my family and my self for minor acutes, first aid and chronic cases. I don't have the same experience as you. I used mainly 200C for minor acutes and first aid and sometimes 1M depending on the strength of the disease. With chronic situations depends much on the sensitivity of the individual - from 6C to 12C to 30C to LM's, primarily
And Hahmemann had far more experience than most of us.
"Aphorism 247
Aphorism 247 explains why one needs to use the medicinal solution that is succussed prior to administration and given it in split-doses. He gives the reasons why it is difficult to speed the cure with the unmodified dry dose or unadjusted liquid dose. Then Hahnemann says:
"But if the succeeding dose is changed slightly every time, namely potentized somewhat higher (pp. 269-270) then the vital principle may be altered without difficulty by the same medicine (the sensation of natural disease diminishing) and thus the cure brought nearer"."
Here is what Hahnemann says with David Little's additions
Here is info that references Hahnemann's writings in 5th and 6th edition of the Organon (the book he wrote explaining how to practice homeopathy based on his experimentation and experience)
He refers to LM's here which were discovered and written of in the 6th edition (water potencies)
The 5th edition refers to the C potency remedies being used in water also (these are the potencies you would buy for your own use)
You can't increase the potency of subsequent doses that you will be giving for minor acutes and first aid unless they are in water and you can succuss them before each new dose - this is a hard downward motion with the bottle (like a judge with a gavel). Each new dose is succussed to raise the potency slightly. The VF does better with different potencies, instead of repeating a dry pill. You can't change the potency unless give it in water.
The older 4th edition method used dry potencies and he revised this as his life and work went on.
The below if from David Little, homeopath
Dear students and colleagues,
The ghost of the mechanism continues to appear in the minds of some persons. There are still too many persons that teach one can give the LM potency daily for months in a mechanical fashion to every patient no matter what the reaction the remedy produces. I have responded to this myth in another medium so I thought I would share the post here. I bet some of you are tried of hearing this from me! Nevertheless, there may be some parties that have not read these details before. The following document is based on Hahnemann's teachings contained in aphorism 246, 247 and 248 as translated by W. Beoricke..
Aphorism 246
"Every perceptible progressive and strikingly increasing amelioration during treatment is a condition which, as long as it lasts, completely precludes every repetition of the administration of any medicine whatsoever, because all the good the medicine taken continues to effect is now hastening towards its completion."
1. Hahnemann clearly says that when there is a "perceptibly progressive and strikingly increasing amelioration" is a condition that "COMPLETELY PRECLUDES" any "REPETITION" of the remedy whatsoever. This is because the good effect of the remedy is now "hastening" towards its completion. Although single dose and infrequent dose cures are not the majority of chronic cases but they do take place in a significant minority. This is more often in very sensitive patients, in functional diseases and in the early states of pathology. There are occasions, however, where advanced pathological states of several years duration is cured by single doses or infrequent repetitions of the LM potency. Under these condition the repetition of the remedy is counter indicated because the remedy is already heading for cure very quickly and the repetition of the remedy under these conditions runs the risk of slowing down the cure and causing aggravations and antagonistic counter actions of the vital force. When their is a dramatically increasing amelioration it is always best to leave well enough alone!
"This is not infrequently the case in acute diseases, but in more chronic diseases, on the other hand, a single dose of an appropriately selected Homoeopathic remedy will at times complete even with but slowly progressive improvement and give the help which such a remedy in such a case can accomplish naturally within 40, 50, 60, 100 days."
2. Single dose cures are often the case in acute diseases but in chronic diseases a single dose usually only produces a "slowly progressive improvement" that will accomplish what it can naturally within 40, 50, 60, 100 days. This is, however, but rarely the case; and besides, it must be a matter of great importance to the physician as well as to the patient that were it possible, this period should be diminished to one-half, one-quarter, and even still less, so that a much more rapid cure might be obtained."
There is a great difference between a "strikingly increasing amelioration" and a "slowly progressive improvement". Hahnemann makes it clear that "anytime" during treatment there is a strikingly increasing amelioration. the remedy should be stopped as long as this lasts. This case be caused by a single dose, short series of split-doses or after the remedy has been repeated for some time. Hahnemann then takes up the discussion of cases in which a single dose can only cause a "slowly progressive improvement" that may take up to 100 days to show any significant improvement. Under these conditions the remedy should be repeated at suitable intervals to speed the cure to 1/2, 1/4 or less the time it would take with the exclusive single dose wait and watch method. When using the 4th Organon dry dose method the remedy can not be repeat until the duration of the remedy ceases and the patient relapses.
4. Now Hahnemann offers five conditions that must be met to speed the cure of slowly progressing cases.
a. The remedy must be "perfectly homeopathic".
b. It must be highly potentized.
c. It must be dissolved in water.
d. It must be given in a proper small dose.
e. It must be repeated in definite intervals that experience has taught the most suitable.
If the remedy is NOT perfectly homeopathic one best not repeat it. How can you tell if the remedy is perfectly homeopathic if you don't carefully test it at the start of treatment. The Paris casebooks show that it was Hahnemann practice to give either a single dose (usually by olfaction) or short series of 3 to 7 doses over a period of a week and had the patient come back in 7 days. He never sent anyone off for 1 month at the start of a case with a preconceived remedy schedule. He always checked his remedy very carefully at the start of treatment to make sure it was not the wrong remedy or a partial simillimum. Everything that Hahnemann says in aphorism 247 and 248 about speeding the cure is conditioned by his statements in aphorism 246.
Aphorism 247
Aphorism 247 explains why one needs to use the medicinal solution that is succussed prior to administration and given it in split-doses. He gives the reasons why it is difficult to speed the cure with the unmodified dry dose or unadjusted liquid dose. Then Hahnemann says:
"But if the succeeding dose is changed slightly every time, namely potentized somewhat higher (pp. 269-270) then the vital principle may be altered without difficulty by the same medicine (the sensation of natural disease diminishing) and thus the cure brought nearer".
Aphorism 248
Aphorism 248 continues the theme that started in aphorism 246 where Hahnemann taught when the single dose wait and watch method is appropriate (in perceptively progressive and strikingly increasing ameliorations) and where one should repeat the remedy at suitable intervals (case where a single dose can only cause slowly progressive improvement). Aphorism 248 follows on the discussion of the five conditions for speeding the cure and the need to adjust each dose so that patient never receives the exact same potency twice in succession.
"For this purpose, we potentize anew the medicinal solution (with perhaps 8, 10, 12 succussions) from which we give the patient one or (increasingly) several teaspoonful doses, in long lasting diseases daily or every second day, in acute diseases every two to six hours and in very urgent cases every hour or oftener.
The "purpose" Hahnemann is speaking about how to adjust the potency when repeating the remedy to speed the cure of cases that would only slowly improve on a single dose or infrequent repetitions. This includes BOTH acute and chronic diseases. For this purpose we potentize anew the medicinal solution prior to the administration of each dose so that patient never receives the exact same potency twice in succession. Then Hahnemann offers a method for treating for long lasting protracted diseases where a single dose can only produces a slow progressive improvement over 30 to 100 days at best and even this is rarely the case. it is more common for the patient to relapse calling for repeated doses. Aphorism 248 teaches how to speed the cure of resistant cases to 1/2, 1/4 or less the time it takes with the exclusive single dose wait and watch method.
In protracted cases, the remedy may be repeated daily or on alternated days if necessary as long as there are no aggravations or new symptoms. It must also be noted that in sentence 1 of aphorism 246 Hahnemann says every strikingly increasing amelioration "during treatment" is a state that "precludes" the repetition of the remedy as long as it lasts. This means that anytime during a series of split-doses there appears a dramatic increasing amelioration the remedy should be stopped as long as this state lasts. If one stops the remedy under these three conditions (aggravation, new symptoms, dramatic increasing amelioration) over medication can be avoided while the cure greatly speeded.
Hahnemann noted in aphorism 246 that acute diseases are often cured by a single dose. When he speaks about giving the acute remedy every 6 hours or less it means in resistant acute disorders that can not be cured by a single dose. The same conditions apply. There is no need to repeat the dose when there is a strikingly increasing amelioration in acute diseases any more than in a chronic diseases. All the conditions discussed in the aphorism 246 condition all the statement that follow in aphorism 248. If one ignores the first sentence of aphorism 246 they leave out 1/2 of Hahnemann's case management strategies that deals with strikingly increasing ameliorations.
In the footnote to aphorism 246 Hahnemann says one can give the remedy daily "WHEN NECESSARY". This same when necessary applies to the statements on the daily dose in aphorism 248! It is amazing some persons can completely ignore or change the meaning of everything Hahnemann says in aphorism 246 and its footnote. Then they say Hahnemann only taught that one should give everyone the remedy daily or on alternate days in chronic diseases and every 6 hours or less in acute diseases no matter what. This type selective amnesia takes a few words out of context with the rest of the text and ignores hundreds of words that explain Hahnemann's complete posology and case management strategy in detail. To say Hahnemann said always give the daily dose for months and forget the "when necessary" a grand misnomer that puts the patient in danger.
It is very difficult to learn how to use the LM potency properly just by reading the 6th Organon. There was supposed to be a living lineage of teachers that could clarify the points and add oral teachings that are not contained in the 6th edition. Hahnemann was teaching Boenninghausen about the LM method when he died. Melaine Hahnemann asked Boenninghausen not to speak about the new methods in pubic until after she published the 6th Organon. Unfortunately, this task was not accomplished before the Baron and Melaine passed away. By the time the 6th edition was published in 1920 all those with personal knowledge of the LM potency had died. This makes it extremely difficult to put the entire LM method into perspective without studying the Paris casebooks, the testimony of those with inside information, and the eyewitness accounts of those who witnessed Hahnemann's practice between1838 to 1843.
Hahnemann shared LM cases with Beonninghausen as he hoped the Baron would someday pass on his teachings on the new method. These cases showed how Hahnemann actually gave the LM potency in the clinic. This information was complemented by the eyewitness account of Dr. Croserio, who worked closely with Hahnemann in his last years. Dr. Croserio's letter to Beonninghausen IHahnemann's Doses of Medicine, Lesser Writing, Boenninghausen) shows that the Founder often gave single doses (usually by olfaction) followed by at least one week of placebos while he waited and watched. The Paris casebooks confirm that Hahnemann used this method quite often in the 1840s. This proves that Hahnemann did NOT always give the daily and alternate day dose to every patient. He often used single doses usually by olfaction but not always.
Dr. Croserio's letter clearly points out that; "Even in acute diseases it was a rare case to see him [Hahnemann] allow the patient to take more than one spoonful in 24 hours". Dr.Croserio's eyewitness account proves that Hahnemann did not always use the daily or alternate day dose or give acute remedies every 6 hours or less. The rapid repetition of the remedy was specific for the treatment of resistant acute and chronic disorders. In aphorism 246 Hahnemann clearly states that acute diseases often are cured by single doses in a striking manner! If one gives the remedy every 6 hours in a mechanical fashion i n these cases the outcome would be aggravations, accessory symptoms and antagonistic counter actions of the vital force.
Dr. Croserio also noted that anytime during treatment Hahnemann observed strong medicinal actions he would reduce the dose or stop the doses and give placebos while he waited and watched. This method has also been confirmed by a study of the Paris casebooks. Hahnemann did not speak about how much placebo he was using in the 1840s in the 6th Organon. That would have alerted the general public to the fact that he was using almost as much milk sugar in water as active medicine. The Founder rarely gave the daily or alternate days dose for very long without placing the patient on placebos for one or more weeks. I have not see one case in the entire Paris casebooks where Hahnemann gave the daily or alternated day dose from months on end without stopping the medicine and given 1, 2 even 3 weeks of placebo. Hahnemann constantly used this "On again - off again" method throughout his treatment. The idea that Hahnemann always gave the daily dose or alternate day dose for months is a complete complete myth.
I have not written this discourse with the idea of proving a point to a single party. I have written this post for the benefit of the Homoeopathic community at large and for the good of their patients. The first Hippocratic maxim is "Do no harm". Homeopathy is a very safe system when one follows the basic checks and balances introduced by Samuel Hahnemann. The biggest danger inherent in homeopathy is from over medication with potentized remedies. This can cause remedy induced symptoms, medical diseases, and antagonistic counter actions of the vital force. These conditions can become very serious if the over medication is excessive. None of this has to happen if one follows all the principles elucidated in aphorism 246, 247 and 248 in a careful manner. If one just takes one or two words out of context and ignores the rest they take the law in to their own hands and are personally responsible for any suffering they cause.
Simila Minimus
Sincerely, David Little
---------------
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."
Samuel Hahnemann
Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
Academy at
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2000
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Laura Coramai
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Re: Dry vs. Wet
Hi all,
I have been a student of a school that administered dry doses in
centesimal potency in our clinic. I am of 5th wave of North American
Homeopaths and this makes me fortunate, I believe, as I never saw a
4th or 5th ed of the Organon. The 6th ed is all I know, albeit being
taught to prescribe in the wrong scale...due to school's
profs/homeopaths not having access to Brewster 6th ed until I more or
less started at school a few yrs back.
Since I am a procrastinator & impatient by nature I never finished
clinic hours & began practicing on my own to some degree/part-time
and so was not influenced really by the dosing methods at my school.
I instead had started reading on LM's myself and started on
administrating rx's in LMs in order to have my dosing match the
Organon/Hahnemann's method...great booklet I paid $12 for at local
homeopathic supplier called Little Miracles was a miracle in my life
as convinced me to start on journey to discover Q scale (by Carole
Cook, a novice at time of writing...but most excellent intro and sooo
afforable!).
Fortunately I found Luc De Schepper's textbooks recently and now am
happily on way of being a true Classical Hahnemannian Homeopath...a
drop out to some degree in terms of recent formal education
available - a rebel but staying true, I believe, to traditional ways
of acquiring Homeopathic education...sometimes, I feel, that
structured schools are too restrictive and can pass on knowledge
incorrectly and not have room to be flexible enought to try "new"
ways!
Read both Revisited and Maintaining Simillimum and try integrating &
implementing the imformation before passing judgement...I feel so
blessed that this human put down in accessible form the history & a
clinical summary that is practical & truly enlightening for anyone
open to studying the work/effort made.
Lastly, I would say David Little's highlighting of Aph 247 hits the
nail on the head basically and sums up, for me, a way to clearly
understand what LM's are all about: the key to cure is that as the
natural dx dimishes then the rx potentization goes up
proportionately. If this is grasped than one is merrily on their way
to healing all they come in contact with...when this sunk in for me I
stopped struggling with any particular point/aph in Organon...and all
other material I come across goes thru this filter and makes life
easier as a practitioner/healer.
Peace,
Laura
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wrote:
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of adding
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tell
energy or
drinking
daughter
someone with a
myself,
patients.
in water.
days."
relapses.
succession.
speeded.
ameliorations.
always.
complete myth.
no more
Homoeopathic
I have been a student of a school that administered dry doses in
centesimal potency in our clinic. I am of 5th wave of North American
Homeopaths and this makes me fortunate, I believe, as I never saw a
4th or 5th ed of the Organon. The 6th ed is all I know, albeit being
taught to prescribe in the wrong scale...due to school's
profs/homeopaths not having access to Brewster 6th ed until I more or
less started at school a few yrs back.
Since I am a procrastinator & impatient by nature I never finished
clinic hours & began practicing on my own to some degree/part-time
and so was not influenced really by the dosing methods at my school.
I instead had started reading on LM's myself and started on
administrating rx's in LMs in order to have my dosing match the
Organon/Hahnemann's method...great booklet I paid $12 for at local
homeopathic supplier called Little Miracles was a miracle in my life
as convinced me to start on journey to discover Q scale (by Carole
Cook, a novice at time of writing...but most excellent intro and sooo
afforable!).
Fortunately I found Luc De Schepper's textbooks recently and now am
happily on way of being a true Classical Hahnemannian Homeopath...a
drop out to some degree in terms of recent formal education
available - a rebel but staying true, I believe, to traditional ways
of acquiring Homeopathic education...sometimes, I feel, that
structured schools are too restrictive and can pass on knowledge
incorrectly and not have room to be flexible enought to try "new"
ways!
Read both Revisited and Maintaining Simillimum and try integrating &
implementing the imformation before passing judgement...I feel so
blessed that this human put down in accessible form the history & a
clinical summary that is practical & truly enlightening for anyone
open to studying the work/effort made.
Lastly, I would say David Little's highlighting of Aph 247 hits the
nail on the head basically and sums up, for me, a way to clearly
understand what LM's are all about: the key to cure is that as the
natural dx dimishes then the rx potentization goes up
proportionately. If this is grasped than one is merrily on their way
to healing all they come in contact with...when this sunk in for me I
stopped struggling with any particular point/aph in Organon...and all
other material I come across goes thru this filter and makes life
easier as a practitioner/healer.
Peace,
Laura
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wrote:
been trying
of adding
far, they
tell
energy or
drinking
daughter
someone with a
myself,
patients.
in water.
days."
relapses.
succession.
speeded.
ameliorations.
always.
complete myth.
no more
Homoeopathic
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Luise Kunkle
- Posts: 1180
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Re: Dry vs. Wet
Hi Celia,
I can confirm this for myself also.
I have gone back to dry, unless the condition is such that any
aggravation may cause a critical condition.
I also have not found from my own experience and in the books of
people who used them almost exclusively (LM's) that they show results
faster.
Hahnemann himsself in Paris spaced his appointments at anywhere from 1
to 3 weeks as a rule with no evidence in his casebooks that patients
would come back sooner (exceptions probably confirming the rule as
always).
Regards
Luise
When I take a dry pellet, I can tell
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
==========> ICQ yinyang 96391801 <==========
I can confirm this for myself also.
I have gone back to dry, unless the condition is such that any
aggravation may cause a critical condition.
I also have not found from my own experience and in the books of
people who used them almost exclusively (LM's) that they show results
faster.
Hahnemann himsself in Paris spaced his appointments at anywhere from 1
to 3 weeks as a rule with no evidence in his casebooks that patients
would come back sooner (exceptions probably confirming the rule as
always).
Regards
Luise
When I take a dry pellet, I can tell
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
==========> ICQ yinyang 96391801 <==========
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Rosemary C. Hyde, Ph.D.
- Posts: 416
- Joined: Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:00 pm
Re: Dry vs. Wet
To follow up on my previous observations of wet vs. dry doses, LMs seem to
work in what I describe to patients as "stealth homeopathy." Symptoms
disappear so gently that people just forget they ever had them. With Lm's,
follow-ups usually revolve around questions such as:
Homeopath: "And what about the pain in X?"
Patient: "Oh! Yes, I did have that, didn't I? Hmm! It's been gone for a
while now."
But sometimes, with complex chronic pictures and a lot of suppression, the
LMs are the best approach, and gently work very deeply. In contrast, I've
found that very sensitive patients, particularly ones with either very
anxious psychatric disorders or psoric eruptions, can have really severe
aggravations from even one or two LM doses, and the best strategy for them
is low centesimal water potencies, sometimes diluted 2 or 3 times, with
only cautious repetitions. It's good that we have so many options!
Rosemary
work in what I describe to patients as "stealth homeopathy." Symptoms
disappear so gently that people just forget they ever had them. With Lm's,
follow-ups usually revolve around questions such as:
Homeopath: "And what about the pain in X?"
Patient: "Oh! Yes, I did have that, didn't I? Hmm! It's been gone for a
while now."
But sometimes, with complex chronic pictures and a lot of suppression, the
LMs are the best approach, and gently work very deeply. In contrast, I've
found that very sensitive patients, particularly ones with either very
anxious psychatric disorders or psoric eruptions, can have really severe
aggravations from even one or two LM doses, and the best strategy for them
is low centesimal water potencies, sometimes diluted 2 or 3 times, with
only cautious repetitions. It's good that we have so many options!
Rosemary
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Shannon Nelson
- Posts: 8848
- Joined: Fri Jun 28, 2002 10:00 pm
Re: Dry vs. Wet
I find that the initial "rush" isn't necessary in order for the dose to
do its work with full effectiveness. Our h'th used to have us take
doses of "5 to 15 pellets", and I always enjoyed the rush; when I first
tried taking only a single pellet, I noticed that I didn't feel it as
I'd been accustomed to (that was with a familiar remedy, so I had good
basis to compare)--I didn't really feel much *at all*, and yet within a
day or so it was clear that the dose was acting just as strongly, and
it did act just as completely, as larger doses had. So--did you (Celia
and Luise) give it long enough to really see it working (or not)?
Shannon
do its work with full effectiveness. Our h'th used to have us take
doses of "5 to 15 pellets", and I always enjoyed the rush; when I first
tried taking only a single pellet, I noticed that I didn't feel it as
I'd been accustomed to (that was with a familiar remedy, so I had good
basis to compare)--I didn't really feel much *at all*, and yet within a
day or so it was clear that the dose was acting just as strongly, and
it did act just as completely, as larger doses had. So--did you (Celia
and Luise) give it long enough to really see it working (or not)?
Shannon
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Celia M. Malm
- Posts: 108
- Joined: Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:00 pm
Re: Dry vs. Wet
>So--did you (Celia and Luise) give it long enough to really see it working (or not)?
Good question! I'm not really sure. I've only tried this a few times. I guess I'm used to the "instant" results when I've got the right remedy.
I do know that when I tried a water remedy for the sake of increasing potency on some knee pain in my son, the original dry dose seemed to help, but when he had a relapse, the upped-potency water doses had no effect, even several days after. That may not be the fault of the water doses, of course, but in combination with my own experiences, I'm more hesitant to use water doses now.
Cee
Good question! I'm not really sure. I've only tried this a few times. I guess I'm used to the "instant" results when I've got the right remedy.
I do know that when I tried a water remedy for the sake of increasing potency on some knee pain in my son, the original dry dose seemed to help, but when he had a relapse, the upped-potency water doses had no effect, even several days after. That may not be the fault of the water doses, of course, but in combination with my own experiences, I'm more hesitant to use water doses now.
Cee
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Luise Kunkle
- Posts: 1180
- Joined: Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:00 pm
Re: Dry vs. Wet
Hi Shannon,
Well, I don't have the rush with dry pellets.
As to comparing C's not in watery solution and in such solution resp.
Q's - yes I did wait.
Regards
Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
==========> ICQ yinyang 96391801 <==========
Well, I don't have the rush with dry pellets.
As to comparing C's not in watery solution and in such solution resp.
Q's - yes I did wait.
Regards
Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
==========> ICQ yinyang 96391801 <==========
Re: Dry vs. Wet
I was told to take an initial dry dose and then take one or two
pellets and put them in water. I bought amber 2 ounce dropper bottles
to do this as once you've made a wet dose that bottle will carry the
vibration henceforth. I took arnica 30c for an acute knee injury, in
which my psychological fear/trauma over the injury was greater than
the injury (worry about my knee). It seemed to have a remarkable
peaceful effect on me and the next day the knee was less painful so I
made the wet dose as told and succused it 40 times. I was told by
making this wet dose and succusing it a bit, I would slightly change
the potency and if I was taking the remedy frequently for an acute
situation, would not ccause an aggravation. I took two wet doses but
didn't notice a huge difference and impatient, that night took one
more dry dose. Well my body seemed to reverse itself. I could feel the
energy shifting. It got all jangled up, I instantly felt moody, so I
did an "aggravation zapper" but as I was preparing that and holidng
the little vial of arnica, I couldn't even hold it. It was like my
body just did not want *any* more arnica. It was very interesting. I
felt that the remedy had still been "moving" in me and the extra dry
dose was overkill, like eating too much chocolate cake. The
aggravation zapper seemed to work just fine and no longterm harmful
effects.
This is what I was taught the wet dose was for, for frequent dosing,
so as not to cause an aggravation.
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wrote:
benefits of
from 1
pellets and put them in water. I bought amber 2 ounce dropper bottles
to do this as once you've made a wet dose that bottle will carry the
vibration henceforth. I took arnica 30c for an acute knee injury, in
which my psychological fear/trauma over the injury was greater than
the injury (worry about my knee). It seemed to have a remarkable
peaceful effect on me and the next day the knee was less painful so I
made the wet dose as told and succused it 40 times. I was told by
making this wet dose and succusing it a bit, I would slightly change
the potency and if I was taking the remedy frequently for an acute
situation, would not ccause an aggravation. I took two wet doses but
didn't notice a huge difference and impatient, that night took one
more dry dose. Well my body seemed to reverse itself. I could feel the
energy shifting. It got all jangled up, I instantly felt moody, so I
did an "aggravation zapper" but as I was preparing that and holidng
the little vial of arnica, I couldn't even hold it. It was like my
body just did not want *any* more arnica. It was very interesting. I
felt that the remedy had still been "moving" in me and the extra dry
dose was overkill, like eating too much chocolate cake. The
aggravation zapper seemed to work just fine and no longterm harmful
effects.
This is what I was taught the wet dose was for, for frequent dosing,
so as not to cause an aggravation.
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Robert & Shannon Nelson
wrote:
benefits of
from 1
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: Dry vs. Wet
I had that happen (on myself) a couple of times--with an injury, I took
my first dose dry--faster and easier!--then switched to water for
subsequent doses. Sometimes this has seemed fine, but a couple of
times the water doses did not seem to work (did not relieve the pain as
the dry dose had), but when I went back to dry, it again worked as
expected. I don't know whether that happened because I'd *begun* with
dry dose, or something else. I'd love to hear whether others more
experienced with water doses have noticed any problems with starting
dry and then switching to water for follow-up doses?
Shannon
my first dose dry--faster and easier!--then switched to water for
subsequent doses. Sometimes this has seemed fine, but a couple of
times the water doses did not seem to work (did not relieve the pain as
the dry dose had), but when I went back to dry, it again worked as
expected. I don't know whether that happened because I'd *begun* with
dry dose, or something else. I'd love to hear whether others more
experienced with water doses have noticed any problems with starting
dry and then switching to water for follow-up doses?
Shannon