Cat Food (OT)

[Shannon Nelson]

Er, isn't that what Hahnemann also found? As I see it, the idea of
miasms being potentially caused by a variety of infections (rather than
Hahnemann's venereal-and-psora infections) is an expansion of his
observations, rather than something new.

Perhaps we are more *prone* to incompletely healed infections (aka?
miasms) than folks in his day? Or perhaps not...
Isn't it also possible that a sufficiently unfamiliar and strong
infective agent could cause lingering effect even on a (previously)
strong immune system? While the immune system is a fantastically
adaptable and powerful tool, it does require exposure and learning...

Shannon

[Tanya Marquette]

actually you can order fresh frozen mouse for your cats!!
tanya

[Tanya Marquette]

and now we have the concept of epigenetics which might be
the explanation for miasms. epigenetics also explains how
stress conditions can have a similar effect that transmits
through the generations.

tanya

[Luise Kunkle]

Hi Shannon,
Yes and no.

H. attributed miasms to the **suppression** of the manifestation on
the skin of scabies, sycosis and syphilis *by outside local
applications*.

In this connection we have to remember, however, that in the
days of Hahnemann the infection with the scabies mite could hardly be
differentiated from other itching (H. always called it Krätze=itch)
eruptions. Thus very likely he considered eczema "itch" also.

Regards

Luise
As I see it, the idea of miasms

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[Irene de Villiers]

They caught mice outside, and procreated in quantity to replace the
ones killed by antifreeze, dogs, cars, toxic plants, and other hazards.

Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

I couldn't agree more:-)

Another anecdotal ref on this for you, involves 14 cats and myself:

We recently had serious fires here, involving evacuation up to houses
quite near me. First night was fine but toxic smoke inhalation from
burning houses to me and the cats the next night, unexpectedly as the
wind changed. (I had stayed up all night the first night worried.)
Now my cats are all fed the same - but vaccinated differently.
One imported cat heavily vaccinated, and about 5 or 6 yrs old, got
deathly ill and hung on for a few weeks and died.
The others heavily vaccinated, got very ill but recovered after many
weeks of homeopathy.
The ones vaccinated minimally (to meet airline requirements) but with
use of homeopathy to prevent vaccine damage - coughed a few days, and
were fine on one or two doses of remedy.
The unvaccinated ones had no symptoms whatsoever apart from a bit of
coughing as the smoke entered the house and before I closed things up.
I of course got sick.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

On Aug 11, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Marilyn Wagner wrote:
Early Last century yes, not this one.
Also not true.

Struvite and oxalate crystals will occur depending what's in the food
that is inappropriate. It has nothing to do with breed or genetics.
Struvite in particular occurs due to plants in food raising the pH of
feline urine above 6.5. It's that simple - alkaline urine reacts with
magnesium to precipitate struvite.
Oxalite is due to a more complex and long-term inappropriate nutrient
issue, and is more likely in older cats
Struvite is by far the more common urolith in cats, especially now
that plant food is inappropriate in MOST cat foods.

As to statistics (which are meaningless to a homeopath who should
look at the individual case) :
JAVMA reported in 2004 on a study of 5239 feline uroliths sent for
identification to an independent lab - not the HILLS Science Diet
data based on a biased set of 110 uroliths, mostly from dogs! (and
feline struvite usually isn't reported, as it's obvious without
analysis.):
The results between 1985 and 2004 per JAVMA (BEFORE THE INTRODUCTION
OF A LOT MORE FRUIT AND VEG CAT FOODS)
showed struvite 44% and oxalate 40% with struvite showing a sharp
increase per year.
Other uroliths were urates, dried solidified blood (also increasing
anually), apatite, brushite, cystine, silica, potassium magnesium
pyrophosphate, xanthine, and newberyite.

But it's not so simple.
Drugs used by vets also mess with feline urinary pH and confuse
things as the crystals are pH-related.
Oxalate stones are often predisposed by drugs - for example
Prednisone and blood pressure meds.

The homeopath needs to look at the individual case, remove
maintaining causes - such as drugs, fruits, vegetables and inadequate
animal protein.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

No thanks - what she advocates is bad for cats. Unfortunately being
well-meant is not automatically the same as being knowledgeable about
a subject. (She has no scientific credentials listed either, such as
say zoology, cell physiology or other biological sciences at the
time.) Her book was published back in 1990, so is approaching 20
years out of date.
Research on feline nutrition started in earnest in 1998. So
obviously none of it was in her book.
Had she studied zoology, she would have known that cats lack the
digestive system for plants - meaning they are incapable of breaking
down plants into nontoxic components. This has been repeatedly borne
out in specific research, and we now also know what aspects of plants
- down to molecular level - cats can not tolerate without toxicity -
(glycocides, phenolics etc).

Hence I decline your kind suggestion of an old book from someone with
no specific or current knowledge of the subject.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

Yeah - from miceonice.com last I looked - but you have to be a
millionnaire:-)


..........Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Tanya Marquette]

all of the frozen cat foods are about the same price.
i pay about $3/lb for raw organic meats. the canned
food comes to about the same. whole chicken costs more
than that.