How often?
And why take a chance?
I've worked with cats for many decades and although my approach is
not necessarily the only way to do things,
it does work consistently.
Ah - that is where we differ.
I recognize that surgery affects cats mentally as well as physically.
Which is why it is necessary to instantly stop the nausea with Phos
200C and Vit B6. It is even better to prevent the nausea with B6
before surgery. It is the lack of B6 which causes the nausea - it is
destroyed by anesthetic, (especially the premed shot) and used up by
stress.
Lower potencies than 20C might eventually stop the nausea - but will
take too long to be effective and cat kidneys are compromised if cats
fail to eat very often every day.
No it's not enough; Cats have a very fast high-protein metabolism,
and while pedialyte will help against dehydration - the protein
metabolism needs to be stoked after surgery to prevent ketosis. It is
really hard to get a ketotic cat going again, and it is not worth the
risk. In addition there is no healing possible without protein, and
the cat will feel better if it can get the healing process under way
sooner rather than later.
I have yet to see that needed, on the protocol I have used.
No, the research shows the opposite - and shows emotional trauma and
high rates of FIP and other stress-triggered diseases. This "early
spay" is just what the shelter profession and the breeder community
likes to promote. They have ulterior motives - spay before selling
kittens to control "who breeds" in a lazy way - or sale from shelters
and control of "who breeds" in a lazy way. The kittens pay the price,
either emotionally or both emotionally and physically - with FIP and
other illness. The rate of FIP alone in such kittens, proves this point.
That is not the same thing as spaying before 6 months.
Procreation can be managed responsibly - and I do not consider kitten
hysterectomy to be responsible at all.
Just as in humans who are not sexually mature - hysterectomy in cats
pre-sexual maturity, causes havoc with sudden hormone changes and
resultant stress management within the endocrine system, and
consequent physical and emotional health issues.
There are responsible ways to halt procreation of unwanted pets.
There's a good system in place in this city:-) And in some countries
there are laws against breeders doing such things to young kittens.
There is no unwanted procreation as a result of these sensible
approaches. They are a little more work to implement than a lazy spay
choice, but they are very effective and result in healthier kittens
and far less FIP and kidney disease.
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
help--kitty care after spaying?
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Re: help--kitty care after spaying?
I am hoping that I have edited this post so that the conversation can be followed. My apologies, in advance, for the length of the post...
How often?
And why take a chance?
How often are lower potencies more effective? Most always. There is no "chance" in a well chosen remedy + potency!:) AND it is MUCH easier/better to go up in potency than to risk aggravation in a post surgical patient!
I've worked with cats for many decades and although my approach is
not necessarily the only way to do things,
it does work consistently.
I too have worked with cats for decades...
Ah - that is where we differ.
I recognize that surgery affects cats mentally as well as physically.
Just because I say that the lower potencies are to address the physical aspects of their surgery does not mean that they will not cover any emotional aspects. Of course it will....but to address emotional aspects that aren't really there, to excuse an aggravation, is wrong.
Which is why it is necessary to instantly stop the nausea with Phos
200C and Vit B6. It is even better to prevent the nausea with B6
before surgery. It is the lack of B6 which causes the nausea - it is
destroyed by anesthetic, (especially the premed shot) and used up by
stress.
Vomiting and feeding. Where did you say no food was to be given until vomiting had ceased? I must have missed that!
You are presuming that kitty has a B6 deficiency. Why is that? B6 is a natural diuretic, but I'm not sure why you think it's so important, without the rest of the Bcomplex vits? They are all needed for stress/nausea.
Lower potencies than 20C might eventually stop the nausea - but will
take too long to be effective and cat kidneys are compromised if cats
fail to eat very often every day.
I have only ever had to give low potency to relieve nausea. Didn't take long at all, thankfully for kitty!:)
No it's not enough; Cats have a very fast high-protein metabolism,
and while pedialyte will help against dehydration - the protein
metabolism needs to be stoked after surgery to prevent ketosis. It is
really hard to get a ketotic cat going again, and it is not worth the
risk. In addition there is no healing possible without protein, and
the cat will feel better if it can get the healing process under way
sooner rather than later.
Please quote me in the entirety. I said "Pedialyte alone is good, but sometimes the intubation will cause irritation in their throat and any liquid, given orally, will be brought up as well. Best to given sub-q ringers."
You have to settle the nausea before you can give them anything! I fully realize that kitties can get into a lot of trouble if they don't eat, but you can't rush things either. Get them feeling better and they will usually eat!:)
No, the research shows the opposite
No, the research doesn't show the opposite! Please go to Dr Susan Little's site... http://catvet.homestead.com/EarlyAlter.html for more info. You can find her well respected credentials at http://catvet.homestead.com/
That is not the same thing as spaying before 6 months.
Procreation can be managed responsibly - and I do not consider kitten
hysterectomy to be responsible at all.
Just as in humans who are not sexually mature - hysterectomy in cats
pre-sexual maturity, causes havoc with sudden hormone changes and
resultant stress management within the endocrine system, and
consequent physical and emotional health issues.
There are responsible ways to halt procreation of unwanted pets.
There's a good system in place in this city:-) And in some countries
there are laws against breeders doing such things to young kittens.
There is no unwanted procreation as a result of these sensible
approaches. They are a little more work to implement than a lazy spay
choice, but they are very effective and result in healthier kittens
and far less FIP and kidney disease.
Well, that's a little over the top! I can't believe that you, as a (former?) breeder would advocate animals rights laws.
Cats are not humans! Just because I said that humans are not all the same, doesn't mean that I think that humans are equivalent to cats. Obviously, on oh-so-many levels, they are not!
Honestly, I have seen more problems with spays in older females, than those in kittens! Perhaps you are seeing cats that already have these problems, but are blaming them on early speuter? That's most unfortunate...
Marilyn
How often?
And why take a chance?
How often are lower potencies more effective? Most always. There is no "chance" in a well chosen remedy + potency!:) AND it is MUCH easier/better to go up in potency than to risk aggravation in a post surgical patient!
I've worked with cats for many decades and although my approach is
not necessarily the only way to do things,
it does work consistently.
I too have worked with cats for decades...
Ah - that is where we differ.
I recognize that surgery affects cats mentally as well as physically.
Just because I say that the lower potencies are to address the physical aspects of their surgery does not mean that they will not cover any emotional aspects. Of course it will....but to address emotional aspects that aren't really there, to excuse an aggravation, is wrong.
Which is why it is necessary to instantly stop the nausea with Phos
200C and Vit B6. It is even better to prevent the nausea with B6
before surgery. It is the lack of B6 which causes the nausea - it is
destroyed by anesthetic, (especially the premed shot) and used up by
stress.
Vomiting and feeding. Where did you say no food was to be given until vomiting had ceased? I must have missed that!
You are presuming that kitty has a B6 deficiency. Why is that? B6 is a natural diuretic, but I'm not sure why you think it's so important, without the rest of the Bcomplex vits? They are all needed for stress/nausea.
Lower potencies than 20C might eventually stop the nausea - but will
take too long to be effective and cat kidneys are compromised if cats
fail to eat very often every day.
I have only ever had to give low potency to relieve nausea. Didn't take long at all, thankfully for kitty!:)
No it's not enough; Cats have a very fast high-protein metabolism,
and while pedialyte will help against dehydration - the protein
metabolism needs to be stoked after surgery to prevent ketosis. It is
really hard to get a ketotic cat going again, and it is not worth the
risk. In addition there is no healing possible without protein, and
the cat will feel better if it can get the healing process under way
sooner rather than later.
Please quote me in the entirety. I said "Pedialyte alone is good, but sometimes the intubation will cause irritation in their throat and any liquid, given orally, will be brought up as well. Best to given sub-q ringers."
You have to settle the nausea before you can give them anything! I fully realize that kitties can get into a lot of trouble if they don't eat, but you can't rush things either. Get them feeling better and they will usually eat!:)
No, the research shows the opposite
No, the research doesn't show the opposite! Please go to Dr Susan Little's site... http://catvet.homestead.com/EarlyAlter.html for more info. You can find her well respected credentials at http://catvet.homestead.com/
That is not the same thing as spaying before 6 months.
Procreation can be managed responsibly - and I do not consider kitten
hysterectomy to be responsible at all.
Just as in humans who are not sexually mature - hysterectomy in cats
pre-sexual maturity, causes havoc with sudden hormone changes and
resultant stress management within the endocrine system, and
consequent physical and emotional health issues.
There are responsible ways to halt procreation of unwanted pets.
There's a good system in place in this city:-) And in some countries
there are laws against breeders doing such things to young kittens.
There is no unwanted procreation as a result of these sensible
approaches. They are a little more work to implement than a lazy spay
choice, but they are very effective and result in healthier kittens
and far less FIP and kidney disease.
Well, that's a little over the top! I can't believe that you, as a (former?) breeder would advocate animals rights laws.
Cats are not humans! Just because I said that humans are not all the same, doesn't mean that I think that humans are equivalent to cats. Obviously, on oh-so-many levels, they are not!
Honestly, I have seen more problems with spays in older females, than those in kittens! Perhaps you are seeing cats that already have these problems, but are blaming them on early speuter? That's most unfortunate...
Marilyn
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Irene de Villiers
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help--kitty care after spaying?
{irene}
{Marilyn}
What aggravation?
There is never aggravation with my approach, just faster recovery.
And the B6 is relevant too, as the body can not recover properly if
an essential nutrient is missing.
The matching of potency to situation is relevant. This is not a
chronic case where starting low potency is appropriate. It is an
acute case where there is a strong life force; a spay is not
appropriate otherwise.
So the strong life force can make good use in an acute case, of a
Phos 200C potency, and will not aggravate. To start low and work up
in an acute case with serious nausea - is a waste of time and results
in undue suffering. The principle of homeopathy is to fit the potency
to the case - stronger nausea needs stronger potency.
Phos 200C will address both physical and emotional issues after a
spay, and the fact that nausea is so nasty that you fear feeding the
cat, is also evidence in favor of a higher potency being needed -
acutely in this kind of scenario.
If there was no 200C handy, I'd use what was handy - 30C if that was
available or 1M even.
One must handle the situation the best way for the spayed cat.
It will still help the cat:-)
Susan is a vet with whom I have "clashed horns" many times - no
thanks:-)
I'll use actual research.
It includes measurement of adverse hormonal changes. You can
certainly point out any number of website opinions on the net, but
those do not constitute fact, just opinion.
As for the rest, I stand by my assertion which you twisted into
something I did not say. It is this:
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
{Marilyn}
What aggravation?
There is never aggravation with my approach, just faster recovery.
And the B6 is relevant too, as the body can not recover properly if
an essential nutrient is missing.
The matching of potency to situation is relevant. This is not a
chronic case where starting low potency is appropriate. It is an
acute case where there is a strong life force; a spay is not
appropriate otherwise.
So the strong life force can make good use in an acute case, of a
Phos 200C potency, and will not aggravate. To start low and work up
in an acute case with serious nausea - is a waste of time and results
in undue suffering. The principle of homeopathy is to fit the potency
to the case - stronger nausea needs stronger potency.
Phos 200C will address both physical and emotional issues after a
spay, and the fact that nausea is so nasty that you fear feeding the
cat, is also evidence in favor of a higher potency being needed -
acutely in this kind of scenario.
If there was no 200C handy, I'd use what was handy - 30C if that was
available or 1M even.
One must handle the situation the best way for the spayed cat.
It will still help the cat:-)
Susan is a vet with whom I have "clashed horns" many times - no
thanks:-)
I'll use actual research.
It includes measurement of adverse hormonal changes. You can
certainly point out any number of website opinions on the net, but
those do not constitute fact, just opinion.
As for the rest, I stand by my assertion which you twisted into
something I did not say. It is this:
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Marilyn Wagner
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Re: help--kitty care after spaying?
Irene's comments have a ">" in front, mine don't...and are in different fonts.Exception to this is the end part. I hope you can follow!:)
How do you know that the protocol that you're endorsing is faster than the recovery of the kitties whom I've prescribed to?
an essential nutrient is missing.
Again, why not use B complex? Why do you feel that B6, alone, is so important?
acute case where there is a strong life force; a spay is not
appropriate otherwise.
So, you do not feel that surgery has compromised their life force? Why is that?
in an acute case with serious nausea - is a waste of time and results
in undue suffering. The principle of homeopathy is to fit the potency
to the case - stronger nausea needs stronger potency.
I don't disagree that serious nausea needs a higher potency, but what I was saying is that lower potency is often enuf. Most of the cases I have dealt with have been to treat the post-surgical nausea within 24 hours. If that is not the case, I can see using 200c. Otherwise... why use that high of potency, especially as a "protocol"?
Again too, my using lower potencies HAS NOT caused the kitty any discomfort.
Perhaps you have had to deal with Vets who have not spayed "properly"...ie the Vet has not used anaesthetic with care, cut with care, etc?
I guess the bottom line is that it should be a case by case "protocol"!! where potencies should not be handed out, but rather, only remedy suggestions.
I said... No, the research doesn't show the opposite! Please go to Dr Susan
Irene replied...Susan is a vet with whom I have "clashed horns" many times - no thanks:-)
I'll use actual research.
It includes measurement of . You can
certainly point out any number of website opinions on the net, but
those do not constitute fact, just opinion.
As for the rest, I stand by my assertion which you twisted into
something I did not say. It is this:
Irene, just because you have "clashed horns" with Dr Susan, does not make the many citings on her website less credible, or relevant! The reason I pointed you there is because Dr Susan puts THE MOST CURRENT INFORMATION on her site. She is a Board Certified Feline Specialist, who travels the world to gather research...doing and listening to lectures. That you refuse to read that info, is unfortunate. How can you learn? All you will do is be "strong" in your convictions, which have little to no factual basis...
Please do tell me about "adverse hormonal changes" and these "responsible ways to halt procreation of unwanted pets"!
Spokane has a HIGH KILL shelter that scoops up all the animals they can find, to put them down within hours-days. Is that what you consider to be a "good system" in your city? If not, please explain.
Europe has laws which prevent breeders from producing many kitties, such as blue eyed whites, rexes, etc. Do you consider this to be "the way"? As well, would you like to see laws that describe what kind of children human couples can have? what vaccinations we can give our children?
You cannot state that all of this would create healthier kittens. Do you believe that there are healthier kittens in Europe? Let me assure you, there are sick kitties in Europe as well! There are more problems that just FIP and kidney disease! What about gastro problems (from poor diet, etc)? vaccination induced health issues? overloaded livers from MANY different toxins being "poured" into these little bodies? In many ways, in the health/toxins/vaccinations issues, we can compare kittens to our own human children. They are ALL suffering from "LIFE"...it has nothing to do with early speuter! (other than PERHAPS these Vets are not doing speuters with care, but that would occur AT ANY AGE that they are done!)
Please do take the time to read Dr Susan's site. She has much relevant info there. I would also much appreciate you answering my questions...
Marilyn
How do you know that the protocol that you're endorsing is faster than the recovery of the kitties whom I've prescribed to?
an essential nutrient is missing.
Again, why not use B complex? Why do you feel that B6, alone, is so important?
acute case where there is a strong life force; a spay is not
appropriate otherwise.
So, you do not feel that surgery has compromised their life force? Why is that?
in an acute case with serious nausea - is a waste of time and results
in undue suffering. The principle of homeopathy is to fit the potency
to the case - stronger nausea needs stronger potency.
I don't disagree that serious nausea needs a higher potency, but what I was saying is that lower potency is often enuf. Most of the cases I have dealt with have been to treat the post-surgical nausea within 24 hours. If that is not the case, I can see using 200c. Otherwise... why use that high of potency, especially as a "protocol"?
Again too, my using lower potencies HAS NOT caused the kitty any discomfort.
Perhaps you have had to deal with Vets who have not spayed "properly"...ie the Vet has not used anaesthetic with care, cut with care, etc?
I guess the bottom line is that it should be a case by case "protocol"!! where potencies should not be handed out, but rather, only remedy suggestions.
I said... No, the research doesn't show the opposite! Please go to Dr Susan
Irene replied...Susan is a vet with whom I have "clashed horns" many times - no thanks:-)
I'll use actual research.
It includes measurement of . You can
certainly point out any number of website opinions on the net, but
those do not constitute fact, just opinion.
As for the rest, I stand by my assertion which you twisted into
something I did not say. It is this:
Irene, just because you have "clashed horns" with Dr Susan, does not make the many citings on her website less credible, or relevant! The reason I pointed you there is because Dr Susan puts THE MOST CURRENT INFORMATION on her site. She is a Board Certified Feline Specialist, who travels the world to gather research...doing and listening to lectures. That you refuse to read that info, is unfortunate. How can you learn? All you will do is be "strong" in your convictions, which have little to no factual basis...
Please do tell me about "adverse hormonal changes" and these "responsible ways to halt procreation of unwanted pets"!
Spokane has a HIGH KILL shelter that scoops up all the animals they can find, to put them down within hours-days. Is that what you consider to be a "good system" in your city? If not, please explain.
Europe has laws which prevent breeders from producing many kitties, such as blue eyed whites, rexes, etc. Do you consider this to be "the way"? As well, would you like to see laws that describe what kind of children human couples can have? what vaccinations we can give our children?
You cannot state that all of this would create healthier kittens. Do you believe that there are healthier kittens in Europe? Let me assure you, there are sick kitties in Europe as well! There are more problems that just FIP and kidney disease! What about gastro problems (from poor diet, etc)? vaccination induced health issues? overloaded livers from MANY different toxins being "poured" into these little bodies? In many ways, in the health/toxins/vaccinations issues, we can compare kittens to our own human children. They are ALL suffering from "LIFE"...it has nothing to do with early speuter! (other than PERHAPS these Vets are not doing speuters with care, but that would occur AT ANY AGE that they are done!)
Please do take the time to read Dr Susan's site. She has much relevant info there. I would also much appreciate you answering my questions...
Marilyn
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: help--kitty care after spaying?
This does not deserve another answer.
It should have been obvious that I was looking for, and getting what
was in the best interests of the animals.
I did not see it as an ego competition with someone else.
My approach correctly uses the *principles of homeopathy* - as I
already explained.
Because B6 and not all of the B complex vitamins, are destroyed by
anesthetic and used up in surgery stress.
It is a simple matter of cell physiology.
That is not what I said.
What I said is that a spay is only undertaken in an individual with a
strong life force.
Recovery is fast, because the life force started out strong. It's
different in a sick animal. For example some vets are silly enough to
spay a queen with a raging pyometra that has gone on till she is near
death - instead of first addressing the infection (with homeopathy).
In thst case you do not start with a strong life force.
I prefer results in 5 minutes as then the cat can eat and not
compromise their kidneys.
24 hrs of fasting does SERIOUS kidney damage in cats.
Cats should never be fasted. Ever.
For the above good reasons, and because having the cat feel better in
5 minutes beats having the cat nauseous for 24 hrs or more.
You just said nausea may go on for 24 hrs before you use 200C. So how
is nausea for 24 hrs not discomfort?
How is kidney damage not discomfort - eventually if not immediately?
You do not like my application of the principles of homeopathy plus
those of cat physiology and metabolism, so you attack the vet surgeon?
The implied insult happens to be unwarranted. I have not worked with
a better surgeon nor seen a better rate of surgical success, than
with the vet I interned with for a couple of years. He's one of about
ten vet surgeons I worked with in surgery.
Didn't like his bedside manner - but his anesthetic and surgery
techniques were well respected in the district and all the really
tricky cases were sent his way.
The regular spay of 3 healthy cats of a similar age every day, has
the same factors for choosing potency:-)
When I say "clashed" I mean with good research that contradicts her
assertions and claims.
I was just trying to put it politely.
(Credentials are not an excuse for inappropriate research claims.)
I decline to do bickering on this list.
I gave the homeopathy principles that apply to my approach and the
good results and the metabolic and physiological reasons for my choices.
If you do not like them, that is your prerogative.
If you'd like to discuss anything about this more, please do so on
Catwell. It is an appropriate forum. I'd be HAPPY to take your
assertions further in that forum. It actually has much of the
discussion already available there in the archives, including the
debunking of the common fallacies you raise.
Have a good day:-)
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
It should have been obvious that I was looking for, and getting what
was in the best interests of the animals.
I did not see it as an ego competition with someone else.
My approach correctly uses the *principles of homeopathy* - as I
already explained.
Because B6 and not all of the B complex vitamins, are destroyed by
anesthetic and used up in surgery stress.
It is a simple matter of cell physiology.
That is not what I said.
What I said is that a spay is only undertaken in an individual with a
strong life force.
Recovery is fast, because the life force started out strong. It's
different in a sick animal. For example some vets are silly enough to
spay a queen with a raging pyometra that has gone on till she is near
death - instead of first addressing the infection (with homeopathy).
In thst case you do not start with a strong life force.
I prefer results in 5 minutes as then the cat can eat and not
compromise their kidneys.
24 hrs of fasting does SERIOUS kidney damage in cats.
Cats should never be fasted. Ever.
For the above good reasons, and because having the cat feel better in
5 minutes beats having the cat nauseous for 24 hrs or more.
You just said nausea may go on for 24 hrs before you use 200C. So how
is nausea for 24 hrs not discomfort?
How is kidney damage not discomfort - eventually if not immediately?
You do not like my application of the principles of homeopathy plus
those of cat physiology and metabolism, so you attack the vet surgeon?
The implied insult happens to be unwarranted. I have not worked with
a better surgeon nor seen a better rate of surgical success, than
with the vet I interned with for a couple of years. He's one of about
ten vet surgeons I worked with in surgery.
Didn't like his bedside manner - but his anesthetic and surgery
techniques were well respected in the district and all the really
tricky cases were sent his way.
The regular spay of 3 healthy cats of a similar age every day, has
the same factors for choosing potency:-)
When I say "clashed" I mean with good research that contradicts her
assertions and claims.
I was just trying to put it politely.
(Credentials are not an excuse for inappropriate research claims.)
I decline to do bickering on this list.
I gave the homeopathy principles that apply to my approach and the
good results and the metabolic and physiological reasons for my choices.
If you do not like them, that is your prerogative.
If you'd like to discuss anything about this more, please do so on
Catwell. It is an appropriate forum. I'd be HAPPY to take your
assertions further in that forum. It actually has much of the
discussion already available there in the archives, including the
debunking of the common fallacies you raise.
Have a good day:-)
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Marilyn Wagner
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Re: help--kitty care after spaying?
Irene, I'm sorry that you feel that this is an "ego competition"...it's not, I know that I'd lose!:)...or that I am asking/saying these things because I'm "bickering", or simply to upset you. I am asking because that's what I do...that's how I learn. I am trying to understand why you give 200c as a matter of protocol, instead of using the "principles of homeopathy" you say you use.
Could you please post info on why B6 alone is needed?
Just to clarify...I said...
This does not mean that *I* allow a patient to wait 24 hours before treatment! only that most of the time *the patient* has had the nausea for less than 24 hours...so is still what I consider an acute...but I *may* consider giving 200 C at that point, depending on "everything".
I was simply trying to "give" you, Irene, the thot that I *may* give 200C, but not as a matter of protocol.
I too expect a patient to have their problems resolved within a short time (minutes). You have tried to discredit that this is what I do.
I made the comment about Vet protocol because I was inquiring as to what kind of Vets were dealt with. There are MANY who DO NOT have good anaesthetic (etc) protocols. It is not a comment to "attack" you, but to see what kind of Vet work was done...to make you "need" to use 200C potency.
As far as joining Catwell...as you say "NO THANKS".
Irene, you said...Credentials are not an excuse for inappropriate research claims. This is SO VERY TRUE! You throw your "credentials" around, but block every attempt to have research put in front of you...
Marilyn
Could you please post info on why B6 alone is needed?
Just to clarify...I said...
This does not mean that *I* allow a patient to wait 24 hours before treatment! only that most of the time *the patient* has had the nausea for less than 24 hours...so is still what I consider an acute...but I *may* consider giving 200 C at that point, depending on "everything".
I was simply trying to "give" you, Irene, the thot that I *may* give 200C, but not as a matter of protocol.
I too expect a patient to have their problems resolved within a short time (minutes). You have tried to discredit that this is what I do.
I made the comment about Vet protocol because I was inquiring as to what kind of Vets were dealt with. There are MANY who DO NOT have good anaesthetic (etc) protocols. It is not a comment to "attack" you, but to see what kind of Vet work was done...to make you "need" to use 200C potency.
As far as joining Catwell...as you say "NO THANKS".
Irene, you said...Credentials are not an excuse for inappropriate research claims. This is SO VERY TRUE! You throw your "credentials" around, but block every attempt to have research put in front of you...
Marilyn
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: help--kitty care after spaying?
I decline to continue a discussion that is reduced to personal digs.
If you have something professional to write, I'll read it.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
If you have something professional to write, I'll read it.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Marilyn Wagner
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Re: help--kitty care after spaying?
Irene, you reduced this to personal digs when you said of Dr Susan Little...
When I say "clashed" I mean with good research that contradicts her
assertions and claims.
I was just trying to put it politely.
(Credentials are not an excuse for inappropriate research claims.)
She, and many other Board Certified Feline Specialists say the same things. Are they all wrong...and you right?
It seems to me that you are the one who's unprofessional!
Marilyn
When I say "clashed" I mean with good research that contradicts her
assertions and claims.
I was just trying to put it politely.
(Credentials are not an excuse for inappropriate research claims.)
She, and many other Board Certified Feline Specialists say the same things. Are they all wrong...and you right?
It seems to me that you are the one who's unprofessional!
Marilyn